| NEWS | | |  | | FORUMS | | |  | | FREEWARE | | |  | | ABOUT US | | |  | |
10-08-2005, 01:43 PM
|
#31 | | I was; I am; I'll be
Join Date: May 2005 Location: WV, U.S.A.
Posts: 1,646
| All the problems I can think of have also been my fault. Of course I still probably had a few unexpected problems that wasnt myt fault.
__________________
[size=1]From my head, to my palm |
| |
10-08-2005, 03:07 PM
|
#32 | | Why Does Palm Disappoint?
Join Date: Aug 2004
Posts: 5,909
| Quote: | Originally Posted by Dick Tracy @JA, there is no more Tungsten series, just like there is no more Zire series. There are now three product groups: Treo, handhelds, LifeDrive. Sorry that none match your cherished Sony formfactor or finish.
@DDVitale, $299 is a sweet spot; $399 moves too slow. I think this is part of the thinning of handhelds as the E2 and T5 are now both discounted and no solid indications of a Z72 replacement exist. I'm with Jeff in thinking the LifeDrive is a test for the secret new product line alluded to in the Hawkins interview several months ago. There might be an Update soon if other posters are betting correctly. IMO and experience, most of my problems have been of my own making, usually inappropriate third party software. |
As I said earlier, the reason the Treo sold so well is because of its keyboard as well as its connection to a network. I know a lot of people with PDAs and often times, they tell me they want a keyboard device like I have because using the stylus to write is difficult. Palm should follow or talk to HTC about making a device like the HTC Wizard. Look at this review... http://www.geek.com/hwswrev/pda/wizard/index.htm
The Wizard kills the Treo you know why. Because people like wider screens not cramped 320x320 screens and cramped keyboards. The Treo sold so well once released because there was no device that had a keyboard and a network. As well as Cingular advertised it like crazy after their merger with AT&T and to spread their gimick "Raising the Bar." Now that HTC has released many of these type of device for WM, that will change. WM Treo will have to compete against the large screens and keyboard of the Wizard and Universal. I do not assimilate myself to products becasue nothing is available, like many people have with the Treo. I wait it out until a device comes along that I can upgrade to. Then I make my move. Right now, I don't care if the OS in WM because Palm's device form-factors are getting on my nerves.
JAmerican
__________________
JAmerican
Handspring Treo 90 --> Royal RG135nx --> T-Mobile Sidekick --> T-Mobile Sidekick Color --> PEG-UX40 -- > PEG-UX50--> Samsung T629 (Returned) -- > Palm TX (SOLD)/T-Mobile Sony Ericsson T610(Defective) --> T-Mobile Dash(Broken Screen) --> ASUS EEE 1000H Black/Treo 800w/PEG-VZ90
Accesories: Transcend 16GB SDHC | 8GB Transcend microSD |
| |
10-08-2005, 03:44 PM
|
#33 | | Registered User
Join Date: Jul 2005
Posts: 28
| Linux Power Treo This Year! |
| |
10-08-2005, 03:51 PM
|
#34 | | Samsung Omnia i910 Silver Contributor
Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Atco, NJ USA
Posts: 1,983
| Hey, at least we have more new stuff to chat about in the 1SRC chat at 9:00 eastern time!
See you all there! 
__________________
Mike Thompson
|
| |
10-08-2005, 03:58 PM
|
#35 | | Registered User
Join Date: Jul 2005
Posts: 28
| With the news of the Palm (palmsource assisted?) LInux powered Treo . . . I think now we know why 325 mil for Palmsource. |
| |
10-08-2005, 05:44 PM
|
#36 | | Why Does Palm Disappoint?
Join Date: Aug 2004
Posts: 5,909
| Quote: | Originally Posted by craigdts With the news of the Palm (palmsource assisted?) LInux powered Treo . . . I think now we know why 325 mil for Palmsource. |
Yes. A lot will be said at the chat.
JAmerican
__________________
JAmerican
Handspring Treo 90 --> Royal RG135nx --> T-Mobile Sidekick --> T-Mobile Sidekick Color --> PEG-UX40 -- > PEG-UX50--> Samsung T629 (Returned) -- > Palm TX (SOLD)/T-Mobile Sony Ericsson T610(Defective) --> T-Mobile Dash(Broken Screen) --> ASUS EEE 1000H Black/Treo 800w/PEG-VZ90
Accesories: Transcend 16GB SDHC | 8GB Transcend microSD |
| |
10-08-2005, 05:50 PM
|
#37 | | Registered User
Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Salvador - Brazil
Posts: 46
| Quote: | Originally Posted by intellidryad 2. There's 101MB avaliable of the 128MB memory. But all of it is used as NVFS RAM, so, unlike the T5, there's no partition where you could use as a flash drive.
(But who needs 101MB of RAM? Crazy...) |
I beg to differ... I don't think 101MB is too much.
For example, Edge will require 6MB to 14MB depending on the installed options. I mean, Palm applications still are smaller than PPC ones but both are getting bigger!
Besides, even the fastest SD card can't beat internal RAM, can it? 
__________________
Palm T|X - UWK - SD 1GB
Last edited by JLCarneiro : 10-08-2005 at 05:53 PM.
|
| |
10-08-2005, 07:06 PM
|
#38 | | Registered User
Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Washington state, U.S.A.
Posts: 155
| Geez, you guys! It's starting to sound like PalmInfoCenter around here with all of the negative karma being thrown around about this device! We haven't even seen the darn thing yet!
Here's my admittedly-optimistic two cents:
We finally have a slim, tablet-style PDA with Wi-FI and Bluetooth. Even though it's not VGA, it does have a high-res screen. Palm has already had some experience with non-volatile memory, (T5) and managing Wi-Fi and Bluetooth in the same device, (LD,) so there is at least a reasonable chance that this device will be fairly stable when it comes out. The TE/T5/Tx form factor has aged quite well. IMHO, it is just as attractive as any other tablet out there. (And I have an x50v!) And most importantly, Palm appears to have finally gotten a clue, as it appears that this device will be priced at $299. At the $300 price point, this TX will compare very favorably with any other PDA out there.
Anyways, I realize that his might not work out as well as I'm making it out to be. But, hey, it's Saturday night...I'm have a glass of wine in my hand...I'm in a good mood, and I feel like being a bit optimistic for a while.
Thanks for your time. Now back to your regular programming...
TMann
__________________ Current PDA: Dell x50v
Current Phones: Treo 650 and Nokia 6682 on T-mobile
Last edited by TMann : 10-08-2005 at 07:08 PM.
|
| |
10-08-2005, 08:32 PM
|
#39 | | TG50 Thumbboard Lover
Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Brasília - DF, Brazil
Posts: 29
| It looks like a late TH55, it looks like a reincarnated T5... but at 299 dollars, it has a REAL chance to be a winner. 
__________________
- Cesar Cardoso
Sony Ericsson T610 (nearly oldie but still goodie) + Sony Clie TG50 with Wi-Fi MS (they rock hard!!!)
Bluetooth believer
|
| |
10-08-2005, 08:44 PM
|
#40 | | Christian
Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Jackson, NJ
Posts: 1,167
| It looks good, but can the battery last longer this time? Plus there is no camera. 
__________________
Christian Palm Tungsten T>Sony UX40>Sony UX50>Sony TH55/E1>HTC Universal (O2 XDA Executive) |
| |
10-08-2005, 09:26 PM
|
#41 | | Guest | Help - How does it compare to rx1950 Could someone provide specific info ?
Below is data on HP rx 1950. I use Palm TE2. Looking for a larger screen + WIFI.
(Please spare the dark side comments - I will switch to WM5, matter of do it now or do it later, I've read the comments on PalmOS itself being sold to the dark side, dislike outlook PIM but must be done)
and I quote:
"HP's first Windows Mobile 5.0 introductory level Pocket PC is a winner. It's got good looks, an impossibly thin design, an excellent display and WiFi wireless networking. Gone is last year's harshly angular HP design for consumer-oriented PDAs: with the rx1950 they've returned to the more attractive days of old, with a design that harks back to the ever-popular iPAQ 1940. HP learned their lesson with last year's poorly received introductory level rz1715 which was lacking both in looks and features for the price. The rx1950 delivers style and bang for the buck. At $299, currently the lowest price you'll find for any Windows Mobile 5 Pocket PC (Dell's base model is priced the same), the rx1950 makes a good value proposition." | |
| |
10-08-2005, 10:29 PM
|
#42 | | Registered User
Join Date: Jan 2004
Posts: 303
| Why switch? And why "must" you switch to WM5? The Tx is a much better choice than the new HP. It has twice the resolution, and the beautiful and powerful Palm PIM, and the numerous third party PIM apps as well.
Palms will also gain native pdf support soon. Ever tried reading a pdf on a 320x240 screen? HVGA is the minimum for confortable reading. (I find VGA way too sharp, and painful for my eyes, so HVGA is perfect for me.) PDF support on Palm should be much better than it is on PPC. Adobe Reader is a terrible app, and VERY slow in VGA. So much that it is unusable. Also, Netfront will be coming to Palm OS very soon, and can easily be hacked on current devices.
The TX is only lacking a voice recorder. I will get myself a casio exilim ex-s100 which I will use to take quick snapshots and as a voice recorder as well, and my mobile office should be pretty good. The next LifeDrive should solve all my remaining problems when it is released next Spring.
Palm will go up, an this CHEAP TX will be a hot seller. Ipaqs are hardly selling nowadays. Overpriced and uninspired designs, and ugly low res screens. (Except the discontinued hx4700).
Palm is doing the smart thing with the TX. A CHEAP 480x320 wi-fi device with a new better screen, and 128MB of non-volatile RAM? With native pdf support comming by the end of the month? It might be a bit late, but at that price, it is pretty impressive nonetheless. The TX will be a fantastic productivity tool.
I tried switching to PPC too. I just hated it. Such a messy interface. Some features are nice, but so badly implemented, I didn't care about them. So I didn't get the hx4700 as I had planned. Better get the TX and a card camera for that price. My life is a mess without the Palm PIM. So what if Textmaker has more functions that Docs to go? It won't change my life at all. PPCs have TERRIBLE landcape mode as well. Palm's is highly usable.
Palm is not switching to WM5. They just decided to offer a martphone with that operating system, that's all. There will also be a Treo running Palm OS soon, perhaps even Cobalt. Just choose hat works best for you, don't switch because other people are. That is not the way to be productive in life.
I wish you good luck with WM5 if you really want to make the switch. I am just too excited about the catching up game that Palm is doing now to switch. Wi-fi will be on all new Palms, screens are getting better, the LifeDrive could get a stability fix before the Holidays, a Japanese company bought Psource (hello japanese devices!!), and Plinux will be out to developpers next year. Things are looking good to me.
If by next year, the TX2 has a voice recorder added, or a 480x320 Zire with VC and camera and wi-fi is out, then Palm will ahve won the catch up game. It just might have been worth the wait afterall. |
| |
10-08-2005, 10:30 PM
|
#43 | | Registered User
Join Date: Jan 2003
Posts: 30
| Quote: | Originally Posted by PalmTE2goingWM5 Could someone provide specific info ?
Below is data on HP rx 1950. I use Palm TE2. Looking for a larger screen + WIFI.
(Please spare the dark side comments - I will switch to WM5, matter of do it now or do it later, I've read the comments on PalmOS itself being sold to the dark side, dislike outlook PIM but must be done)
and I quote:
"HP's first Windows Mobile 5.0 introductory level Pocket PC is a winner. It's got good looks, an impossibly thin design, an excellent display and WiFi wireless networking. Gone is last year's harshly angular HP design for consumer-oriented PDAs: with the rx1950 they've returned to the more attractive days of old, with a design that harks back to the ever-popular iPAQ 1940. HP learned their lesson with last year's poorly received introductory level rz1715 which was lacking both in looks and features for the price. The rx1950 delivers style and bang for the buck. At $299, currently the lowest price you'll find for any Windows Mobile 5 Pocket PC (Dell's base model is priced the same), the rx1950 makes a good value proposition." |
The rx1950 is definitely not an upgrade over HPs past devices. Its identical to the older ipaq 4155 except with less ram and no bluetooth, but with WM5. The sceen on it will probably be larger in area than the one on your E2, but its at a lower resolution. The TX will have both a larger screen and higher resolution. |
| |
10-08-2005, 10:52 PM
|
#44 | | Registered User
Join Date: Jan 2003
Posts: 30
| Quote: | Originally Posted by tk_421
Palms will also gain native pdf support soon. Ever tried reading a pdf on a 320x240 screen? HVGA is the minimum for confortable reading. (I find VGA way too sharp, and painful for my eyes, so HVGA is perfect for me.) PDF support on Palm should be much better than it is on PPC. Adobe Reader is a terrible app, and VERY slow in VGA. So much that it is unusable. Also, Netfront will be coming to Palm OS very soon, and can easily be hacked on current devices. |
I have used a qvga screen and find it easily readable. Haha c'mon...a vga screen is too sharp? Then make the text bigger, it isn't too hard. I've used all 3 screen sizes to read (qvga, hvga, and vga) and don't find much of a difference unless you want to make your text super small...in which case vga is best. The areas that I find the screen resolution to be more important are web browsing, watching videos, viewing pictures, and reading if you want to shrink your text. And Adobe Reader is not very slow on my vga ppc. Quote: | Originally Posted by tk_421
Palm will go up, an this CHEAP TX will be a hot seller. Ipaqs are hardly selling nowadays. Overpriced and uninspired designs, and ugly low res screens. (Except the discontinued hx4700). |
So many misconceptions.....the 4700 wasn't discontinued, that was a mistake in the European stores. Ipaqs are still selling, and they will always have their fan base. There's just a little more competion now against dell and other ppc manufacturers. QVGA screens can really be quite nice...look at the Toshiba e755. I wouldn't call them ugly. Quote: | Originally Posted by tk_421
I tried switching to PPC too. I just hated it. Such a messy interface. Some features are nice, but so badly implemented, I didn't care about them. So I didn't get the hx4700 as I had planned. Better get the TX and a card camera for that price. My life is a mess without the Palm PIM. So what if Textmaker has more functions that Docs to go? It won't change my life at all. PPCs have TERRIBLE landcape mode as well. Palm's is highly usable.
|
All personal opinion that I would completely disagree with....except in this case I too would recommend the TX over the 1950. PPC's landscape is just as usable.
Last edited by tempest929 : 10-08-2005 at 10:59 PM.
|
| |
10-08-2005, 11:33 PM
|
#45 | | Registered User
Join Date: Jan 2004
Posts: 303
| I tried a VGA PPC for two weeks, and my eyes hurt because it really was too sharp. I find QVGA unusable for viewing pictures.
Color reproduction and contrast are also really important. The only really nice PDA screen is on the hx4700. (where have you read that it was a mistake? I haven't read this anywhere. http://www.ipaqhq.com/forums/showthread.php?t=22839 ) That screen has perfect color and almost perfect contrast. The Dell screens are hideous, VGA or not. The Zire 71 and original T3 had gorgeous screens, but unfortunately they were replaced by horrible sharp screens.
I don't know who makes the new palm screens, but they are much better than the last generation, although not as nice as Zire 71 and T3. They are quite crisp, and the colours are (over)saturated, and okay. (not good enough for me, but they get a "passing grade". )
PPC landscape is hardly usable. With the two bars, it looks extremely cramped. Web browsing on PPC is like watching a website through a keyhole. A 480x320 screen in landscape actually has the ideal resolution for web browsing. I was very disapointed with my PPC experience in that respect. PIM on PPC is also sucky. No Ultrasoft money (the MS equivalent is certainly not as good), no decent built-in memo, music players are also terrible to use on the go compared to the Pocket Tunes interface.
Palm is archaic, and their hardware design sucks. You feel like you are buying products that should have been released two years ago. But they just have a usability that PPCs just don't have. For me, this matters a lot. I might reconsider a PPC if they come up with a successor to the hx4700, without the dreaded touch pad. But losing efficient PIM is just scary to me, and switching when the possibility of new japanese palm os devices is becoming more tangible would be a bad move. Palm OS will be back with Linux. Anyway, if it's back in the land of the rising sun, then it will be fine with me. |
| | | Thread Tools | Search this Thread | | | | | Display Modes | Linear Mode |
Posting Rules
| You may not post new threads You may not post replies You may not post attachments You may not edit your posts HTML code is Off | | | All times are GMT -5. The time now is 08:04 PM. | |