soccrnj80

Got an email, Opera Mini works on the Lifedrive.

luomat

Google "treo opera mini" and you'll find the link to mytreo.

If Opera ASA has an issue with this, I'll take down the links to MyTreo, but they'll have a harder time convincing Google.

soccrnj80

lol. great point. I just googled it, sure enough it's there.

Joel

Welcome to 1src, luomat. Thanks for the googling tip. lol.

Maticek

Someone was talking about the hacked web pro. Does it run on Lifedrive?

AdamaDBrown

I think that you're overstating the case. Nobody is losing any money from hacks of Picsel Browser or Opera Mini. If the companies that made them wanted to sell them to us, it would be great, and I'm sure many people here would buy them. But the reason that they're hacked is because they aren't for sale to us, in fact they were specifically given away for certain devices, and people wanted to spread them around. I don't see a problem with that. The people that Opera ASA is selling OMini to are carriers, who want their phones to browse the web so as to rack up data charges. I doubt that Opera cares at all about distribution of the app. If they're annoyed about anything, it would more likely be the fact that people are using their proxy server. Likewise for Picsel: their only interest is selling to device manufacturers, they couldn't care less what we do with their software.

sr7

On the contrary, the exclusive presence of an app on a platform is one of the incentives those companies have to offer, and therefore by stealing the software it makes their IP less attractive to offer to third parties, thereby damaging them.

As an example, WM5 is available for the old XDA2. By using this leaked hacked copy people are less inclined to upgrade to a new device, causing lost sales to the retailer. They have every right to be angry with the people who are distributing it, despite never intending to release it for the XDA2.

CroCo

So is it working on a TH55?

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ballistic

I'm not overstating anything, it's pretty obvious that you're minimizing and rationalizing stealing.

That doesn't give your or anyone the else right to decide that it's ok to distribute and application or decompile, modify, and redistribute it yourself, especially when it's prohibited in a EULA. Just because a developer decides to distribute it for free to certain entities and make it available only on certain devices doesn't make it "freeware" or entitle you to acquire it for a different device.

Stealing is stealing, and rationalizations like yours are a perfect example of the "slippery slope" and widespread acceptance that I'm talking about.

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soccrnj80

We are not "stealing", you need to lay off with your comments accusing of such, if you don't like it, don't use it. We got your point from your "emails" , and posts. Now even bargain pda is running the story. We get your point, but were not stealing anything. It is quite obvious that it was intended to work on Palm devices, only due to the evidence of it working on the Treo 600/650, Tungsten t3, Lifedrive. I will be willing to buy it, not steal it. It is being distributed by Opera for free as of now. Like I said, we understand your points, but I can agree to not agree with you

ballistic

Don't kid yourself. It is. I've made my case why it is, where's your counter-argument?

I'm not going to lay off with my comments. We have to police ourselves and take a cold, hard look at why this is now apparently acceptable.

Brian

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soccrnj80

I'm not kidding myself. Thats why we have moderators, and site editors to "police". You brought up a great point, but it's not stealing.

sr7

Ballisitc, expect bluster and passion (the passion of youth?) but very little substance.

soccrnj80

Ballistic, if I came off harsh, I apologize. I have been dealing with the above windows mobile troll for weeks, and am sorry if I took my frustration out on you. I understand your points about software stealing, and my editor over at palmaddict understood it as well. She then decided that it was ok to run, and allowed me to relink. I again apologize if I came off rude or anything like that, was not my intention toward you. I am very passionate about all things palm, maybe if he was more passionate about his platform he woulnd't be trolling our forums with negative posts. Ballistic, have a great day, and I respect your opinion on the above, just don't agree with it.