Jeff Kirvin

Vidcast tutorial, new Backup program on the block (NVFS block, that is), a new Palm OS licensee, the death of PalmSource as we knew it and why it doesn't matter, and an update on my Treo lust. [details]

jjesusfreak01

Jeff, this is the kind of podcast that will make people kill themselves. IIRC, he said that ALL development efforts are shifting to Linux. IMHO, this means that development of OS5 is done as of NOW.

Podcast sucking brains out...

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Alan G

You know, I was just outlining my notes for Tech Talk 17, maybe I won't want to talk about PalmSource and LG after I listen to 1SRC #31. But anyway, I always find Jeff's podcasts thought provoking...I'm either saying "right on!" or "Kirvin's off his flippin' rocker again!" Needless to say, I'm a bit concerned with the fate of Palm OS once PalmSource no longer can use the name "Palm", and if anyone will really care what PalmSource is doing three years from now. In handheld terms, three years is a long time out.

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LupeValenz

*stares at Jeff, then goes grab his treo, place it in the hard casing, comes back and Jeff with it* Get a Treo, if this is able to make me THINK about replacing my THea (and everyone knows TH is a GREAT PDA) then the Treo can easily replace the T5 It is the lil touches that makes me want it, like you said, automatic numbering in nmber fields, lil halo to navigate, great one handed experience, EXCELLENT battery life, VERY bright screen (to bright, I have to set it down to 30%, and that is brighter than my TH at 50%. The more you use it, the more you want it (Lil hint, be on the lookout for a possible ad bout a Sony PDA )

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Gekko

With the death of PalmSource comes the eventual death of PalmOS - and ultimately the death of Palm. And sooner rather than later, Garnet will not be a serviceable OS for Palm(One) and they will have to switch to some other OS - most likely Windows Mobile. You can only cobble and hack together a FrankenGarnet to a certain point. As Palm(One) will try to keep up with the features of other competitor Smartphones, they will need a real OS. By the time PLinux comes (if ever), Windows will have a virtual monopoly on the Mobile market as well. 1-2 years is a LIFETIME in the technology world. What does this all mean? Well - What will Palm(One) really have to offer that's unique/better 2 years from now when they are forced to use Windows Mobile like most other Smart Phones? The reason people buy Treos NOW is because of PalmOS. In two years, when Palm(One) is using Windows Mobile (or derivative) they will simply be another commodity WM handset maker WITHOUT the economies of scale.

What will Palm(One) bring to the table in 2008 over any other commodity handset maker???

p.s. you should have played this as your intro -

http://www.content.loudeye.com/scri...6900&cid=600111

Dick Tracy

PalmSource has taken the next step toward becoming CMS (USA), Inc. I don't anticipate seeing many of the new (and future) licensees' handsets in North America unless they are privately branded or the new OS and UI is entirely modular for carrier convenience.

Where does this leave Palm? Unless they are secretly developing a new OS (which explains their response to broken Find on the E2 was "intentional" and why developers I have contacted re NVFS issues have been unable to resolve, claiming Palm problem-lack info from them) or have killer product forthcoming in the LifeDrive line, basic handhelds are in line to become like calculators (or, if I'm wrong, like the disposable cellphone). Given the Zire 21 is now $60, I think the writing is on the wall. I'm sad; does everything have to be a phone?

Don't get too excited about the Treo 650. It has broken calculator too.

There must be something Palm is quietly working on... Could it have anything to do with the folding screen they recently patented?

strider_mt2k

Life is change, as they say.

Aww man, I was sharpening my harpoon too.
Better things will come, but I'm sure we'll look back on this time with fondness.

The Treo 650 is the front runner as a potenetial replacement for my TH55 right now, but let's see what's coming up.

Here's to the undiscovered country.

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Jeff Kirvin

LOL! I'd forgotten about the whaling comment.



Precisely. I still love my T5, we'll see if I can wrangle an A940. Otherwise, I like the Treo 650 and can see pairing it with a larger tablet-form handheld (a Dell X50v? scandal!) until the Longhorn minitablets come out in late '07.

Jeff Kirvin

Actually, no. It means PalmSource is no longer doing any Garnet development. Palm is still doing a lot of it.

Might we see Palm permanently purchase the rights to Garnet exclusively and rename it Palm OS after the name change takes effect? Then the circle would be complete.

Jeff Kirvin

PalmSource is dead. They're just another Linux ISV now, not unlike Redhat or Mandrake. The only difference is that they specialize in an embedded distro.

Palm is increasingly Palm again, and we might be seeing a rebirth of the Palm Inc we once knew, before the Dark Times. Before Benhamou...

Jeff Kirvin

Because eventually it'll be so cheap to put GSM in the device that it makes no sense to leave it out, even if it's only used for WAN data.

Broken calculator?

smoothjordan

Sprint is the best carrier to get for PDA phones. Vision is 10 bucks and it's unlimited net Go Treo !!!! The a940 is going to be priced similar to that of the treo, so it all depends on what you want... An expensive phone that's not a pda, or a treo. Personally, I wouldn't get that phone until its prices are down.

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JAmerican

My co-worker has a Treo 650 as well and has TCPMP, PTunes, and other cool apps on it. I'm really jealous due to her battery doesn't suck. She asked me why my screen backlight was so low. I told here it was due to the battery. I'm considering the next version of a Treo if one is released.

I take the MetroNorth to visit friends out of the city and its amazing how many people have it. I see about 3, a day. Some people have it mounted to their laptops for internet service, others just using it as a phone.

JAmerican

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Handspring Treo 90 --> Royal RG135nx --> T-Mobile Sidekick --> T-Mobile Sidekick Color --> PEG-UX40 -- > PEG-UX50--> Samsung T629 (Returned) -- > Palm TX (SOLD)/T-Mobile Sony Ericsson T610(Defective) --> T-Mobile Dash(Broken Screen) --> ASUS EEE 1000H Black/Treo 800w/PEG-VZ90

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JAmerican

Here's a pic of the Samsung A940...



JAmerican

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Handspring Treo 90 --> Royal RG135nx --> T-Mobile Sidekick --> T-Mobile Sidekick Color --> PEG-UX40 -- > PEG-UX50--> Samsung T629 (Returned) -- > Palm TX (SOLD)/T-Mobile Sony Ericsson T610(Defective) --> T-Mobile Dash(Broken Screen) --> ASUS EEE 1000H Black/Treo 800w/PEG-VZ90

Accesories: Transcend 16GB SDHC | 8GB Transcend microSD