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Old 05-17-2005, 04:50 PM   #1
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LifeDrive Specs Missing RAM size.

Maybe I'm a bit naive but I haven't seen a RAM spec in the new LifeDrive.
I've seen speculation on the RAM size of 32 or 64MB but that seems a little lite considering that the T5 has 256MB. The spec sheet doesn't mention anything about RAM which is a suspicious omission.


If the 4GB drive is the only Memory in the device (which I doubt) I wonder how long the battery life is?
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I really do not know. In my opinion, we can use the 4 gig for everything. I mean the LD will only have the Microdrive and NO Ram. Who knows (perhaps a reason to use ActiveSync?)
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ohhh, I don't mean to be mean but the ram thing has been explained many times! the T5 doesn't have 256mb of system ram don't quote me but I think it's 32mb. the rest is storage for programs and the operating system. Now I'm guessing that the lifedrive will have 32mb too, possible 64 but more likely 32.
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I really do not know. In my opinion, we can use the 4 gig for everything. I mean the LD will only have the Microdrive and NO Ram. Who knows (perhaps a reason to use ActiveSync?)

The lack of listed RAM is actually very telling. Because it isnt listed, it is extremely likely that the RAM it has (it doesn have to have some) will be used for the sole purpose of running the OS, and active processes. There is no other reason that they wouldnt list the RAM for the device, and because of the 4gb HDD, it seems that there is no reason why there would be usable RAM. It will be interesting to see how it works.
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Found a link on another forum to French site that says 64 mg ram - I think. Been a long time since I did Frence.

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http://www.mobinaute.com/mobinaute/...=20050518002118
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Old 05-17-2005, 09:36 PM   #7
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Das erste Gerät dieser "Dimension" ist der LifeDrive. Viele seiner technischen Daten kursierten ja bereits im Vorfeld im Interner. Mit Palm OS 6 wollte uns palmOne diesmal nicht beglpcken, so ist der LifeDrive ein Palm OS 5.4 Handheld (nein, "Mobile Manager") mit 64 MB nicht-flüchtigem RAM, sowie einer 4GB Mini-Festplatte von Hitachi. Von der Speicherkapazität sind 3,85 GB effektiv für eigene Daten verfügbar. Außerdem findet man integriertes Wireless LAN und Bluetooth - das erste mal in palmOnes Gerätelaufbahn sind beide Funkstandards in ein Gerät verbaut. Das konnte bisher nur Sony mit dem UX50 und dem TH55, und beide Geräte sind mangels Herstellerpräsenz im Palmbereich nicht mehr auf dem Markt verfügbar. Der LifeDrive gleicht ansonsten von internem RAM, CPU (beide 416 MHz XScale) Betriebssystem, Bluetooth und Anschluss (Multi-Connector) dem Tungsten T5. Bis auf den Zire haben nun alle aktuellen Geräteserien diesen Anschlusstyp - sehr positiv! Neu beim LifeDrive sind Wireless LAN, eine Sprachaufzeichnungstaste, eine LED sowie eine eigene (Hardware-)Taste zum Drehen des Displays. Der Powerschalter hat nun auch eine "Hold"-Stellung, damit man ihn nicht versehentlich betätigt. Und natürlich die Festplatte. Laut Datenblatt ist der LifeDrive (121x73x19mm) genauso lang, jedoch 5mm schmaler, aber 3mm dicker als der Tungsten T5 (121x78x16mm). Er wiegt mit 193 Gramm 48 Gramm mehr als der T5.

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Das Gehäuse ist, anders als die Fotos vermuten lassen, aus Kunststoff, der zwar hochwertig wirkt, das Metall des T3 fasst sich aber dennoch besser an. Auch die Tasten sind aus Plastik. Das Gehäuse ist in allen Dimensionen etwas größer als das des T5 und an den unteren Kanten abgeschrägt, weshalb es gut in der Hand liegt. Durch die Festplatte wird die Unterseite im Betrieb etwas warm (jedoch nicht so, dass es unangenehm wird). Auch das Display ist etwas größer als bei bisherigen Geräten und meiner Ansicht nach sehr brillant und hell (vergleichbar mit T5). PalmOne behauptet eine 40% höhere Helligkeit und 35% mehr Brillanz. Das kann weder ich, noch die Kollegen vor Ort bestätigen. Das Display des Treo 650 ist um einiges heller.



If you go through the gibberish snippet, a few features that should interest potential users:
1) 64MB NVFS RAM in addittion to the 4GB HD
2) Metal case
3) Something about display as well, 35% brighter?

One last question left unanswered; battery life...
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Old 05-17-2005, 10:47 PM   #8
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ohhh, I don't mean to be mean but the ram thing has been explained many times! the T5 doesn't have 256mb of system ram don't quote me but I think it's 32mb. the rest is storage for programs and the operating system. Now I'm guessing that the lifedrive will have 32mb too, possible 64 but more likely 32.


TT5: I really understand the whole RAM discussion very well - I've a UX50 with a whopping 104MB of RAM (16 for the system, the rest broken down in a variety of partitions).

The point is that with a 4GB HD you want that little disk spinning as little as possible to extend your battery life to the max. The more solid-state RAM the better balance for battery life.

For instance, I don't want the LifeDrive to spin the HD everytime I want to look up a Phone contact, or Appointment. If I put a bunch of MP3's on the LifeDrive I want enough RAM to hold 3 or 4 songs so that the disk only needs to spin every 10 - 15 minutes to retrieve more songs. If palmOne skimped on RAM then the usefulness of the LifeDrive would be limited to how long you could survive between charges.

My UX50 can go a solid 16 hours listening to MP3's & reading ebooks (with the extended battery of course, 8 hours stand-alone). If the LifeDrive can do half that I would be very impressed.

I'll wait & see what the reviews show for this baby. From what I'm seeing it's looking pretty usable, but battery life will be the bottom line for many of us travellers/superusers.
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I'm curious why some of the foreign reviews mention 64mb NV when the official specs at palmone.com do not show any real ram at all.
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RAM question answered in the BargainPDA review. It goes into it a bit more than some of the rest of the reviews.
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RAM question answered in the BargainPDA review. It goes into it a bit more than some of the rest of the reviews.


Thanks for the heads-up. The review at BargainPDA was more of what I'm looking for. Because the LifeDrive uses the main processor for everything, it's "Media" capability while good is also a battery killer. Sony did the seperate DSP for media and a slower processor for the day to day stuff. The result is an excellent balance, good battery life and excellent Multimedia performance. PalmOne will get it eventually (Hopefully!!).
Maybe once PalmOS 6 comes out, we will have Palm Nirvana.

Thanks for all the responses.
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If you go through the gibberish snippet, a few features that should interest potential users:
1) 64MB NVFS RAM in addittion to the 4GB HD
2) Metal case
3) Something about display as well, 35% brighter?

One last question left unanswered; battery life...


Not quite: the review states that the case is made from plastic, does not feel like the T3. PalmOne says the screen should be 35% brighter, allthough the reviewer could not confirm. Says that the Treo 650 is brighter.

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What's odd, is that the review at Mobile Tech Review seemed to say that the 64MB was volatile RAM, not NVFS.

http://www.mobiletechreview.com/palmone-LifeDrive.htm
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That's because that 64MB isn't NVFS. It's real RAM, but it's not accessible by the user - As far as we're concerned, it doesn't exist.
It's only used as Dynamic RAM and as temporary storage for programs when you run them - You can't run programs from NVFS directly like you can with real RAM, so they have to bodge it by copying the programs into real RAM, which is part of this 64MB area.
As far as the average user is concerned, that 4GB *is* the only memory.

It's the same setup as the T|5, Treo 650 etc.
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Ok, here's some misunderstanding here:
Any processor can access ONLY Dram (i.e SD ram) - which is equivalent of RAM on pc.
So NO pda can exist w/o RAM (random access memory) at all.
All palms from prior to T5 had only Dram memory, along with small amount of flash (or masked rom) for OS image. For example, TT3 has 64mb of SD-ram @100mhz, and also 16mb of Flash ( where os resides). These 64mb of ram are used as application storage (i.e like hard drive on pc) but that's not all 12mb of that 64mb are used as Dynamic Heap (equivalent of ram on pc) - which is used by programs while they work.
In T5, there is 2 128mb chips of Flash memory making it 256mb, which is used as :
1) program storage
2) contains compressed Os rom
3) contains Internal 160mb section - equivalent of sd card
But along with that it has 32mb Dram chip - which is used for
1) program heap (4mb in T5's case)
2)DB heap.
This 32mb dram chip is not accessible by user and all process is transparent for end user.
So when you launch any app on T5 or Treo650 - it is first coped to Dram chunk, and then launched.
Now with the lifedrive: nobody argues, that there is at lease _some_ Dram memory, because otherwice it coudn't work (i guessing that it is 32mb, like in T5's case)
But the question is: where is the program storage area?
There is 3 options:

1) it is in RAM - like on T3 and prior palms. - very unlikely. Dram is though fast, but very expensive, P1 stopped using it in app it's palms since T3 and TC. Hard to believe that they used expensive 64mb Dram chip, while they didn't even include a cradle.
But if that's the case - This is ideal situation. All apps will work instantaneously, no bugs whatsoever, and HDD will be off except when you play music/watch videos/ access large db's.
2)It is in Flash - like on T5. - This more believable than 1) . In this case operation will be equivalent to T5's. Hdd wll be off most of the time. Upon launching - apps will be copied to Dram chunk (just like on T5) .
3) It is on separate partition on Hdd. This is looks so from Bargain Pda review. If that's the case - hhd will spin every time you launch any app, than it will be transfered to Dram cnunk and launched. If that's the case - this would explain tremendous lags and unexusable battery time as stated in bargainpda review. But this is the cheapest solution for P1 :-)
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