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02-23-2005, 02:50 AM
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#46 | | Why Does Palm Disappoint?
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 | Quote: | Originally Posted by mrSONYman I know the PDA market is almost dead. HP is basically the only PDA I see inthe stores now and a few Palm devices so I think it is taking a walk. Here come the SMALL form factor Vaio's to replace the Clie.  |
The only reason HP is still in stores and Dell is because they are American companies. I believe that the economic decline has caused these companies to move out of America due to they aren't getting the income they were expecting. If HP and Dell stop producing. We are in some serious trouble. And I'm not just talking PDAs.
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Handspring Treo 90 --> Royal RG135nx --> T-Mobile Sidekick --> T-Mobile Sidekick Color --> PEG-UX40 -- > PEG-UX50--> Samsung T629 (Returned) -- > Palm TX (SOLD)/T-Mobile Sony Ericsson T610(Defective) --> T-Mobile Dash(Broken Screen) --> ASUS EEE 1000H Black/Treo 800w/PEG-VZ90
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02-23-2005, 03:03 AM
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#47 | | Kacian deh lo....
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| Glad I switched to Pocket PC soon after Sony's heart-breaking announcement last year. 
Hope Clie will return in Pocket PC platform!
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02-23-2005, 06:47 AM
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#48 | | Need coffee. Need coffee. Platinum Contributor
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| Quote: | Originally Posted by kusumo
Hope Clie will return in Pocket PC platform! |
highly doubtful. but they might return as a PC for your pocket.
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02-23-2005, 07:20 AM
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#49 | | Senior Novice
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| Previous posts indicate to me that Sony may be on the cutting edge of the next best thing, perhaps a post-PDA-as-we-know-it more-of-a-computer handheld computer. If that's true, then I'll gladly hold onto my TH55 until that day arrives (perhaps even later).
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02-23-2005, 10:12 AM
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#50 | | Need coffee. Need coffee. Platinum Contributor
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| Quote: | Originally Posted by broadus Previous posts indicate to me that Sony may be on the cutting edge of the next best thing, perhaps a post-PDA-as-we-know-it more-of-a-computer handheld computer. If that's true, then I'll gladly hold onto my TH55 until that day arrives (perhaps even later).
Bill |
that's the big catch... the PPC tries to be more than a PDA, clie's actually tried to be more than a PDA offering entertainment options on some of the units. But PPC and Palm are still both custom platforms with their own processors, their own OS, their own API, etc. Now PPC windows is a subset of Windows, so "some" API is the same, the rest is "similar" but that still means some custom programming.
A true PC in your hand means all software works.... the problem is speed and cost. Pocket sized PCs in the vaio arena still cost in the $2000 level. that's quite a PDA, ouch. If that drops out of your pocket when you visit the local personal facilities.... you'll cry much harder. That is why I have problems with all in one units, you loose so much in an accident....
I still like the idea, I would rather do away with PPC specialty OS and have one single windows OS that can handle a range of processor options including a handheld.
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02-23-2005, 01:37 PM
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#51 | | Registered User
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| The PSP seems to be the clear heir-apparent to the multimedia functionality of the CLIE, whereas smartphones are the heir-apparent on the PIM side.
Those small VAIO's are nice, but they are even more niche devices than what PDA's have become. Whereas with the PSP you have mass-market pricing that is also heavily subsidized by attached software (game) sales.
Does the PSP have IR or additional wired connectivity? I'm thinking that if Sony wants to add computer functionality to the PSP (web, email, etc.) they will need to add some sort of input device like an external keyboard, or at least a thumboard.
PS- If some of these rumored functionalities are added to the PSP, maybe 1src should add a PSP forum. It was originally Cliesource after all, I think the site still has a heavy Sony tilt in terms of user base. There's already a lot of PSP carryover in the Video forum. | |
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02-23-2005, 03:20 PM
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#52 | | Custom User
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| Quote: | Originally Posted by SamuraiCatJB that's the big catch... the PPC tries to be more than a PDA, clie's actually tried to be more than a PDA offering entertainment options on some of the units. But PPC and Palm are still both custom platforms with their own processors, their own OS, their own API, etc. Now PPC windows is a subset of Windows, so "some" API is the same, the rest is "similar" but that still means some custom programming. |
You are right, Palm as a whole has kept more to the PDA side, and only two sets of units have really moved away from that. The Zodiac series is a dedicated gaming PDA, while Sony's TH, UX, and VZ PDAs (all in the same family, they run the same basic subsystem) all are very good media PDAs. Its interesting the way that its going, but im looking forward to seeing Palms next PDA. I know it will have WiFi, because thats a feature important in the Cobalt OS, and we will kill (metaphorically, of course) them if they dont. I know it will have Cobalt because they will suffer the same fate if they dont put that in. It will actually be the first decent PDA Palm will have put out in a while.
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02-23-2005, 03:54 PM
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#53 | | NX80v User
Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Adelaide
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| As much as I love the Palm OS, I think long term users forget that it isnt so simple anymore. I mean, case senstive and location specific for file type (ie movies, sounds, images). Only file types being a .pdb or .prc and not being easily able to sort out what PDB belongs to what except by trail and error (is that.pdb an ereader book or a plucker document?)
And peoples learning curves may seem less steep if they use windows on PC and PDA.
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02-23-2005, 06:16 PM
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#54 | | fake site admim
Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: U.S.A., Earth
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| I'm not shedding any tears.
1) this was likely when they "suspended" their lineup months back.
2) I've already switched and stuck with PalmOne.
3) I've done my woes back when Handspring sold out and my Visor Neo (and its nice extras and my collection of Springboard modules) were obsolete. For the better in many ways, the z71's integrated digicam and more popular SD format were refreshing
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Was it ever mentioned anywhere in anyway that the PSP will replace some of the Clie functions (say... around up to 50%)? The PSP has MUCH better gaming than a Clie (in which the Clie was even worse than PalmOne due to their unsopported jog dial, tiny/non standard buttons and their placements, and their own APIs and hardware), but Clie's had some great PIMs/productivity (enhanced PIMs) and multimedia.
From the tally, it appears that Clie vs PSP
-PSP's got much better gaming
-CLie has much better PIMs (assuming the PSP even has PIMs)
-Clie has much better multimedia (graphics cards and fast procs aside, the PSP screen is only around 480x272. Thats' not alot)
-Both about even in WL, as Clies have many Wifi and/or BT models while PSP is supposed to have add-ons/updates that let u check your email and surf the web via wifi
-about even in other add-ons. PSP has GPS add-on later on, while Clie has it's own addons
In the end, it just looks like PSP is great for games but so-so for everything else.... not quite the ideal PDA replacement | |
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02-24-2005, 02:53 PM
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#55 | | Clies Rule!
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| I just hope the world does not go towards the dumb "smartphones". I can even live with a PPC but cannot even think of carrying one of those Frankenteins phones in my pocket. 
So it's hoping my TH55E lasts long enough to see a next generation of inteligent personal devices.
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02-26-2005, 02:21 AM
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#56 | | Senior Certified Penguin
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| How abt Xplorer M68 which runs Palm OS 5.4? It's a phone cum PDA. May be that's where Palm OS will be heading? I personally hope so. Though I know for a fact that these kind of devices have very lousy battery life but I really prefer to stay with Palm OS, by hook or by crook! 
Palm is not giving up the fight as they have just recently announced that they'll work with Linus. So may be Sony will come back if the marriage between Palm & Linus work well? | |
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02-26-2005, 02:46 AM
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#57 | | Registered User
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| Quote: | Originally Posted by fssia How abt Xplorer M68 which runs Palm OS 5.4? It's a phone cum PDA. May be that's where Palm OS will be heading? I personally hope so. Though I know for a fact that these kind of devices have very lousy battery life but I really prefer to stay with Palm OS, by hook or by crook!
Palm is not giving up the fight as they have just recently announced that they'll work with Linus. So may be Sony will come back if the marriage between Palm & Linus work well? |
You mean Linux right? | |
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02-26-2005, 03:27 AM
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#58 | | NX80v User
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02-26-2005, 03:32 AM
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#59 | | Registered User
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| Ah I see. Thanks Edlin. But all the talk I have heard has been between Palm and Linux. This is the first time I have heard that Palm is trying to collaborate with the Linus people. | |
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02-27-2005, 01:55 PM
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#60 | | Registered User
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| They never got it
They didn't know who their market was and therefore never appealed to their market. They were doomed shortly after the launch of the first wave. And this comes from someone that's owned and loved three Clie's.
Sony is an entertainment company ... not a technology company. If they were going to play to the strength of the company then the Clie would have been defined by its ability to play movies, MP3, games, art, even radio. Yes, we could do that on the Clie's ...... but absolutely no better than many other Palms. The screens were ahead of their time, but were losing ground there, too.
They didn't have the best movie players, not fully implemented MM API, so-so mp3 player, no ability to easily download and watch one of their own movies or songs from the internet, no native paint or drawing program. Why no PlayStation 'lite' module to sell Sony games?
Imagine getting a price break by subscribing to a Sony site to DL and watch/play one of their MM offerings on a NX80 just by an automated data export function to a CF of MS. And that's an easy concept to implement. There could have been many others that would have sold even the business travelers ................ those with the money to keep purchasing.
When the NX and UX's hit with no substantive changes, the writing was on the wall. That was the time to move in the entertainment direction with sophisticated MM apps to play all of the Sony family of entertainment media. All that had to happen is further screen and battery improvements. They could have been one-stop MM PDAs that served a broader audience (aka deeper pocketed business user, just keeping the basic PIM apps). Easily justified on an expensive report.
Given the other offerings out there, the only reason to be sad is that Sony in a small way (low market share) helped sell the platform and kept the others honest.
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