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Old 02-05-2005, 01:43 AM   #1
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Adding second battery to TE

Hi folks.
Recently my sister’s boyfriend gave me his TE to repair screen noise problem. When I opened TE – I discovered that there are tons of free space, enough for second battery. When I told him that this is possible – he was very happy , since Te’s battery performance is not great.
So while performing the process, I took pictures, so if anybody wants to follow – it would be easier for him. Before putting second battery – I performed a small test, Recharged Te fully, than opened Pocket Tunes andhttp://www.1src.com/forums/editpost.php?do=editpost&p=775844# left it to play on max brightness, and screen on - all the time. From full charge in this condition TE played about 2.5 hours , than died, While I’m writing this – It is already in 4.5 hours , and battery is still 65% - not bad at all. I expect at least double time.
I also have to say, that the battery that I added – was NOT new. TE’s owner bought new battery for his Nokia phone, and gave me the old one to put inside the palm. So If the battery was new – the result would be even more terrific.
Let’s start. This is the battery that I put inside TE :


I’m not sure about it’s capacity – but I guess it is about 600-750mah. I also didn’t take it’s full dimensions, but I measured it’s thickness – it is exactly 4cm thick.
After removing top black plastic, with protection circuit inside it (we won’t need it) it looks like this:


Than I soldered 2 wires, and covered with isolated tape. It is very important to cover all conducive surfaces battery might have. –so it won’t short anything inside the TE.

After opening TE – (w/o any changes yet) it’s inner looks this way:


As you can see – the battery is _soldered_ directly into mother board. There are no plug like in other palms. But it doesn’t matter – since you WILL have to solder anyway, and If you don’t want/know – don’t even try to start the mod.
First thing first – I fixed the screen noise problem, since it was one of things He asked me to do.
I won’t tell about it because there is separate thread of removing screen noise here:
http://discussion.brighthand.com/pa...&threadid=64429
I went with an improved version and put a transparent sheet between digitizer and screen. You can see this transparent sheet prepared here:

Next thing I had to do – is to remove the Te’s battery, here’s why: The Te’s own battery is even thinner – it is about 3mm. , so I had to put it on the top side of the board, because otherwise , the Nokia battery wouldn’t fit there. All those chips and electronics rise about 1-1.5mm from board surface. When detaching the battery – don’t use any metallic object. I would also recommend unsoldering it completely from the board (as I did) because operating on the battery while it’s still connected - is not safe.

The hardest part is to remove some part from the cover, otherwise it won’t close. Here are the things I had to remove from the cover to gain extra space for second battery to fit:


When you open Te’s battery top – you will see small protection circuit.


So you need to solder second battery to the first one – in parallel, which means soldering in to the pins of the first battery, plus to plus, and minus to minus. Please double check the polarity, because if you make mistake – you can throw out both batteries. Before connecting 2 batteries in parallel – make sure they are at the same state (approximately). For example, if one is empty, and second is full – this is not good, but not deadly (as polarity swap). I discharged both batteries before connecting,

Make sure you cover everything with isolating tape:

Hardest thing to do – is to position both batteries on the board, The Nokia battery goes to the place of Te’s battery, and Te’s goes to remained free space. It is exactly long to sit between SD slot (which is very tall) and Usb jack (which is tall too). Make sure you don’t cover the reset hole. First time I closed the cover – I covered the reset hole – so I had to open and redo by moving it slightly towards SD slot.


There is also a screw hole that can’t be covered, See large picture here:
http://junglemike.nm.ru/te_battery_large.jpg
I must say that I DID have trouble closing TE back and it didn’t close up smoothly. It got a little “blown up”, but almost unnoticeable, see here:

The major problem with this specific battery – is because it is too wide (and not too high) – but this is the battery I had to use. If you want to buy some cell phone battery specifically for this purpose – better choose one with has less width, otherwise you will RELLY have hard time to close it back, I had to remove some additional parts of the back cover (other than that are shown on pic) to make it close. I say on some other Russian forum somebody made a similar mod, and he used other cell phone battery (don’t know exactly which) – it was much smaller than this one, and maybe even polymer (while this Nokia batt is _not_ polimer and thus larger ).
Such modded TE requires more time to charge (about 50-100% more) which is about 5-5.5 hours. And for some reason indicator stays on 100% very long time (more than 80 first minutes of testing with screen ON – it was constantly on 100%). Also , practically, if you , say, double the battery capacity (say, instead of 1000mah – you put 2000mah ) - work time will be increased MORE than by 100% - I don’t want to be too technical, I will only say that this is has to do with battery internal resistance. This is especially noticeable on high battery-load applications (games movies,,,)
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Old 02-05-2005, 10:36 AM   #2
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Great stuff junglemike. As usual, you are the champ in palm modification, here or in Brighthand.
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Old 02-05-2005, 11:24 AM   #3
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ROFL!

Oh man, you mods always make me gasp in awe and laugh hysterically at the same time

Kudos to you dude!
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Old 02-05-2005, 11:48 AM   #4
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Nice to see you around guys!
By the way, i finished testing the battery - it lasted about 6 hours - more than twice longer than before. But you need to consider that TE was not new - about a year in usage.
Just for comparison - i made same test with my year-old T3 (w/o external batts i have ) -it didn't even last full 2 hours - died on 116mins.
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Old 02-06-2005, 01:07 AM   #5
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Interesting mod. I wish we could go further with internals and make our own devices from scratch like building PC and laptops. I can't seem to find any info on how the CPUs work. Are they soldered to, integrated in, or socketed like laptops and pcs to the main boards? This is my 1st step of research. My next step is the other components and how they are added to the device (same question as for CPU applies here). And finally who make the parts etc. I'm going to be getting into messing around with all this kind of stuff after I finish the research.
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Old 02-06-2005, 07:24 AM   #6
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Soldered in....
The CPU's are ARM cores from TI's OMAP series or from Intels XSCALE series.
The RAM is more-less standard memory of different kinds.
I would also love to be able to build my PDA myself....
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Old 02-06-2005, 07:29 AM   #7
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What about the Intel Xscaler that is in the newer tunsten and other models? I don't want to open my T5 since it is brand new and still under warranty.
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Old 02-06-2005, 03:56 PM   #8
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I'm not sure how you can create even party hand-made pda, Maximum i ever did (from point of changing the pda internals) -is adding 8mb flashh chip inside a VX (this chip was supposed to plug in via serial ).
Anyway, if you want detailed specs and superb pics of pda with links to chips datasheet - take a look at this great site, You can find tons of useful things there:
http://pspilot.de/
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Old 02-07-2005, 03:35 AM   #9
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Junglemike, did the 8MB chip work? Could you meybe post some instructions? I would love to do this to my IIIc and Palm V-the 2 or 8MB of RAM simply arent enough for me!
Also, the instructions could very well appear on my blog!
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Old 02-07-2005, 10:54 AM   #10
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Junglemike, did the 8MB chip work?

Yes, it worked, otherwice i woudn't have done it. By the way, my VX is in mint condition till now (I got it from 5th hands, and after I upgraded - i gave it to friends (2 more hands) now it's back to me since it really old and nobody needs it.) I'm using it only as alarm. I'm pretty tough to wake up, and some time ago, along with this 8mb flash chip i constructed a huge speaker with amplifier, so it is loudest palm ever :-)
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Could you meybe post some instructions? I would love to do this to my IIIc and Palm V-the 2 or 8MB of RAM simply arent enough for me!

The thing is that this chips doesn't works like memory expansion - it workes more or less like SD card for modern palms, There was some special program (don't remember now) that allowed me to read/write files to this chip. As i said - this chip was supposed to plug-in to V/VX via some special connector (rs-232-like) so i just grab the chip itself and soldered it from inside to the rs-232 in VX. But anyway, even if you can do it - i'm sure that it's impossible to find such chip anymore. It was called, "flash ..... something", dont' rem exactly.
Wait a sec, i'l dig up some old pics.......
Ok, here is the cips (upper with blueish pcb)
http://junglemike.nm.ru/vx_opened.jpg
here is the big speaker i installed with comparison to standard Vx's
http://junglemike.nm.ru/VX_speaker_upgrade.jpg
Here is how it looks from the back:
http://junglemike.nm.ru/vx_back.jpg
I made add holes for speaker, and if you look hard - you can see a small switch. - this is the switch that switched between this 8mb chip, and sinchronozation. Both chip and sync couldn't work together since they are on same rs-232 bus, therefore i needed this switch.
Ah..... This is all history now. :-) I also have my first PalmPro (1mb) somewhere - also alive {should be}
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Pictures on adding second battery to TE

Hi Mike,

Read your post on adding second battery to the TE.
Was amazed by it! Wondering if you can post the pictures on how to get it done? As I can't really see any of the pictures.
My TE's battery is in really bad condition, it seems to start draining the moment i switch on... Will really like to add another battery to my palm.

Thanks in advance!
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Old 12-05-2005, 10:08 AM   #12
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Kaikah, you can see junglemike's pictures here:

http://tinyurl.com/arxqm

I am thinking of trying something like this myself.
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If and when, hehe, my T|E battery isn't working good enough I might want to do something like this. The power switch broke off the main-board the other week and I had to use a few stategic pieces of elictrical tape to keep it positioned in place but it now works great! It had been slowly becoming harder and harder to turn on the T|E but now it's like new! I was quite surprised to see how weak the connections were that held the power switch in place, well perhaps not too surprised.
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Thumbs up Done it!

Hi Bro!

Thanks for your all help!
It's working great! though i removed the original battery completely as i can't squeezed in 2 battery.. don't really know how u managed to do that.. but anyway now, it's working fine. Just that i cannot get speaker working as i think i didn't connect it properly during fixing back time..
But the battery life definitely work better than the original.

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