Jeff Kirvin

The PalmOne Tungsten T5 isn't as bad as you've been told. In fact, it's pretty darn cool if you know how to use it. [details]

daver

I'd love to hear all about it... if i could find it .

The link provided in the post is dead. Could someone re-post the MP3? Thanks. Loved the first one, and will definitely come back everyweek for the new ones.

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Elfyn

I'm glad to see I wasn't the only one who couldn't find the podcast. Thought I was doing something wrong. I enjoyed the first one too and am looking forward to more.

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Lance

Hello,

Since this is a LINUX or UNIX based server, capitalization does matter. The link in the RSS feed was 1SRCPodcastTwo.mp3 and not 1srcPodcastTwo.mp3.

Here is the link:

1src Podcast Two

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Reggie

Thanks Lance. I actually fixed the link already. Thanks.

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Lance

Jeff,

Excellent job on podcasting! I look forward to future podcasts!

Sincerely,
Lance

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Reggie

Kinoma versions of the podcasts have been added. Thanks Lance!

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Lance

Hello,

You can stream the Kinoma formatted file using the Kinoma Player. Using version 2 or version 3 of the player, go the menu options. Under Media, select 'Play URL...' and enter in the URL of the Kinoma file. Kinoma will automatically start playing the podcast as it is downloaded to your handheld. Very nice when you if you are out and about.

1SRC Podcast One in Kinoma Format
1SRC Podcast Two in Kinoma Format

Thanks,
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Reggie

I just like to comment on how podcasts can be effective in describing things and stressing points. In this podcast, Jeff describes why a PDA and Bluetooth works. While a lot of us do this already, people new to the PDA world and wireless networking (PAN in this case), will find it easier to understand how their PDA can connect to other devices.

As for the T5, I agree that it's one of the best devices out there.

Great work on this podcast Jeff!

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quasar

The issue with the T5: It all makes sense (wi-fi only being wanted by power users) execpt for the fact that the onlypeople who are going to be paying $400 for a PDA are power users and corporate folks, both of which want wi-fi. If the price was lower, it would be a plausible explanation, but not as the high-end model. High-end models are the ones that power-users get because they do power-user things.

Possum

OK to start out with I'd like to say that I don't think the T5 is a bad PDA, my roommate owns one and is perfectly happy with it, but...

I have to disagree with the assessment of the usefulness of wi-fi. I am currently using both wi-fi and bluetooth and wi-fi has been able to do some things I simply can not do well with bluetooth. I currently use microVNC to log onto my computer at home. I have even used it to access e-mail in the Mac Mail program or surf with safari and it's actually faster in some ways to Web Pro. I would also like to be able to listen to streaming audio which does work on Pocket PC's and does work with the T5, and here's where we get to my major gripe with Palm. Palm recently has been not providing ALL bug fix updates even when they should be able to run on older Palms even for an additional charge. Most of what is better about the T5 is the software that should be capable of running on a T3. If the programs were just added features, this wouldn't be so bad, but WebPro crashes if I'm not careful about switching the proxy on and off and using full screen without exiting the program and reopening it.

The idea of putting wi-fi in a cell phone instead just seems wrong to me. Not only would you be choking your connection speed with the bluetooth, but you would be draining the battery on two devices instead of just one, one of those devices being what you rely on for your voice communications. Yes, wi-fi DOES take up more power, meaning you're going to end up with a dead cell battery. In my oppinion, if you are going to do two devices (I have a SE610 and T3) you want a pretty tiny phone, which is going to have a smaller battery.

The missing wi-fi wasn't even the biggest oversight in my oppinion, it was removing the voice recorder (since wi-fi can now be at least added). Saying that wi-fi just adds complexity and therefore is a bad idea suggests we should all go out and buy Palms with 160x160 screen and useless pizo speakers.

My advice is to not believe the hype on either side of the fence and base your buying decision on ALL the facts and what your needs are.

I do find it unfortunate that Palm does not see a market for a more expensive Palm with the variety of options you see in Pocket PC's leaving you with the choice of better hardware or better PIM's.

Concerning the bluetooth PAN. It should be noted that none of the Palms support the headset profile yet (maybe the Treo???) and that the T5 has been reported to not work with SmartST GPS software.

gfunkmagic

I'm sorry but I disagree with almost EVERYTHING said in this podcast trying to rationalize the T5.

Quote from podcast: "The T5 is not a power user's pda"

WELL THEN DON"T PRICE IT LIKE A POWER USERS'S PDA!!

Quote : "There are three problems with wifi: increase complexity, increase cost, and decrease battery life"

Umm... complexity? If it's so damned complex to create a dual wireless palmos pda then it's more of a negative assestment of the palmos then the actual complexity of dual wireless functionality. But then how the heck did Sony do it and almost every friggin PPC OEM around?! That arguement is just weak...

Increase in cost? Dell Axim: nuff said. PalmOne can't BS by using the cost arguement b/c OEM's like Dell are showing full well that it can be done at reasonable price points.

Battery life? Solution is a replaceable battery!!!! I mean isn't that the point of NFVS?

Quote: "T5 plus blazer plus skweezer is a great solution"

That is an absolute pathetic solution. Not everyone wants to use a 3rd party proxy and not every taks can be done securely with a 3rd party proxy. In short, this is not a valid solution...sorry....

If you want to make the arguement that the T5 is a good device....then fine, I'll grant you that. But in order to justify the T5 and it's feature specs, then PalmOne should have done the following things:

1) Don't overprice the thing at $400 USD which is ridiculous. You can't price a device in a vacuum as if no other devices exist. Users will always campare the T5 against the Axims etc and in this comparison the T5 will ALWAYS lose on a spec by spec basis. The T5 should have been launched at $300 max imo

2) Don't call the thing the "T5"!! This was an absolute marketing disaster for PalmOne. The device should instead have been called the TE2. I asked PalmOne execs at the Treo roadshow as much and they agreed that the naming of the T5 was a marketing error. By naming the device the TE2, PalmOne may have avoided much of the criticisms it received regarding the T5.

3) Don't REMOVE features when upgrading a new device!! PalmOne should not have removed such features like the vibrating alarms, voice recorder, LED indicator etc. If the arguement is: well the T5 is really an upgrade to the TE and the TE never had these features.... Well great but you didn't call it the TE2 (see above) and you priced it as you flag ship pda (see above again). That was a stupid move that only compounded the anger of displeasure of most users...

In short, unless the T5 drops to under $300 USD any time soon, I would NEVER, NEVER recommend this pda to anyone, period. It may be a good pda, but just not for that price....sorry...

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Reggie

gfunkmagic,

While you have valid points, let me clarify some things:

1. Re: powerusers. Yes, it's not aimed for powerusers - it's aimed for business people. Cost has nothing to do with what type of user you are.

2. Re: complexity. Jeff said it had to do with breakdown and not how easy it is to put dual wireless in a device.

3. Re cost: You have to tell HP that too. The T5 increased battery capacity and don't forget abot the NVRAM -- I guess a first.

4. Re: battery: a cellphone needs a replaceable battery (Treo 650) not for pda functions but for talktime, the T5 doesn't need it -- it has NVRAM anyway.

5. Re: Skweezer: A great surfing solution when on a Bluetooth connection. When doing secure surfing, I suggest don't do it on a PDA unless the site you are browsing is mobile ready.

6. Re: Price: Again, I think one of the main reasons it is $400 is because of the addition of NVRAM. Btw, all PDA's should have it.

7. Re: Features: Again, you should see by now that the T5 was not geared towards you who I consider a power user -- that's why you don't like it.

8: Re: recommending: What you are saying is, you won't be recommending it to another power user right?

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Lance

Plain and simple. PalmOne went from driving the PDA market to following the PDA market, and I am not sure that they will ever drive the PDA market, again. With the potential in the smartphone market, I am not really sure they are even worried about it. PalmOne is concentrating on the Treo product line and well they should. The market is much larger, and PalmOne is driving the smartphone market as they once did the PDA market.

Personally, I do not like it anymore than others on this forum, but I really do not think we are large enough of a population to change the direction of PalmOne. At the same time, I think PalmOne under estimates the influence we have in the decisions the average user makes when purchasing technology.

Just my two cents...

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