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Old 10-08-2004, 02:16 PM   #16
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Out of curiosity, can anyone remember how much the T|3 was when it first came out?


$399. I have my receipt right here. Bought it 9/26 from Office Max
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Old 10-08-2004, 02:27 PM   #17
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Good analogy, but when do you see it?.. If we stick to cars, you might see that sort of a comparison between say a mercedes and a ford... the ford having every know gadet to cars etc... I'd go for the merc every day of the week and twice on sundays.

Plus, whilst evry car model in the states may have cruise control, in europe, only the top of the range cars of each model have cruise control... Either than or its an expensive option, because not many people use it.


I think I know where you are headed with this, but many would say that an HP handheld (for example) would be the Mercedes in your analogy.

To be fair, I would consider qualitative issues equal between, say HP and palmOne. In that comparison, looking purely at "options" you get for the cost, the HP wins hands down. Factor in Dell, and it isn't even a horse race. Never mind the fact that many consumers (myself included) wouldn't even buy a car that lacked cruise control (Wi-Fi in our “stretched” analogy).

You do make very legitimate points, though.
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Old 10-08-2004, 02:56 PM   #18
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I know I never use the Voice Record function, and the vibrating alarms don't add much in my opinion.


For me, I actually canceled my T5 order over the vibrating alarms. In a business market, both can be VERY handy. The Voice memo, I use a lot, I could make myself live without it, but it's very handy. The vibrating alarms, well, it simply makes the T5 NOT an option in my job. We have to many meetings and conference calls where a beeping alarm is NOT tolerated.

If you use it heavily in a business environment, vibrating alarms is a must have feature.
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Old 10-09-2004, 06:54 AM   #19
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I thought I'd miss the vibrating alarm, but come to think of it, it never worked for me with the T2, because the handheld was in a hard case all the time and I couldn't feel the alarm anyway. Half the time the only way I know my cellphone is going off is when the ring mode kicks in after the vibration phase ends, because I miss feeling the vibration. So I doubt that I'll miss the vibrating alarm after all.

I could care less about WiFi.

I never did use voice memo, after the novelty wore off.

I need cradles. I pre-ordered a T5 from a company that did not list a T5 cradle among its acessories. If I thought they had passed on the dollar saving to me ...

I love the new internal virtual-card memory. 160 mb is large enough to hold all my core programs and data. I'll easily be able to add a WiFi card if I wanted to.

Audio playback is another novelty feature that I don't often use, and certainly don't have to have. But somehow I'm happy to have it there, if the overhead isn't too high.

I think the T5 is the device I've been waiting for, frankly. Let's hope the external keyboard is as good.
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Old 10-09-2004, 07:11 AM   #20
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The TH55 is made of a better quality plastic. And the universal connector still has a lot going for it, not only the fact that a lot of people have expensive addons that use it. Times change, that's true, but usually ahead, not reverse.


Why do you say that the new connecter is a 'reverse in technology' in comparison to the UC?

I agree that a new connector is a pain in that when i do buy an OS 6 device sometime next year, the accessories i do have for the UC will be incompatible.. but i will accept that... in the same way that i will accept that the new connector will only last so many years and probably when buying a future device, i will probably have to buy another set of accessories again. I dont think its fair to criticise P1 for this.
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I agree that a new connector is a pain ...snipped... I dont think its fair to criticise P1 for this.
I do. I've been through too many "new connector" cycles, and still can't figure out why they put us through it. The interface should have been stabilized long ago, IMHO.
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Old 10-09-2004, 08:12 AM   #22
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I love the new internal virtual-card memory. 160 mb is large enough to hold all my core programs and data. I'll easily be able to add a WiFi card if I wanted to.
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I think you may want to be careful about the 160MB "USB Storage" from my understanding it's just storage, i.e. you cannot store an application in that area and have it run, the available memory for applcations/data is 55MB as it was on the T3. I'm not 100% on that but the brochure at P1 does make the distiction.

As for the UC being incompatible with OS6, thats a new one on me??
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Old 10-09-2004, 08:45 AM   #23
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Sigh... If PalmOne would just call it T|E2 and drop price at least US$50, then all would be forgiven for this moniker of a Tungsten|T series PDA.
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I'm not too miffed about the T5. I won't run out and upgrade, I'll probably wait for something better.

But if my T3 were to break and I couldn't get it fixed, I would probably get a T5. I have already said I don't mind not having the Voice Record or Vibrating Alarm features.

I'd love for it to have WiFi, but I already ordered a PalmOne WiFi card. Got it for $90.66 at Buy.com.

There's too much negativity. I was always told that if you have nothing nice to say, don't say anything at all.
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To comment on OS 6:

As Cyker said, it will remove a lot of compatibility. For all of you who know a bit about POS notifications, the hede event will apparently not be broadcast in Cobalt, which means pretty much all your utilites will not work. However, it also makes Cobalt much more secure and i see the benefits of Cobalt far outweighing the negatives. The ARM-native stuff and the multi-threading is a major step forward for PalmSource, and the UI revision in OS 7 will also be very welcome.
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There's too much negativity. I was always told that if you have nothing nice to say, don't say anything at all.
If all of the negative posts were removed from these forums they would be bare.
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If all of the negative posts were removed from these forums they would be bare.
I'm not sure about bare, but they'd certainly be dishonest.

SharkBoy: About Cobalt and the missing hede broadcast... Will there be something else in Cobalt that can take it's place? Will authors of programs like snapCalc5, Hi-Launcher, McPhling, etc., have a way to update their programs to make them work in Cobalt?
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Negatives IMO:
•Plastic housing. High quality plastic is still plastic.
•Speaker on the back. I keep my T3 in a case, and would do so with any PDA I own, so the rear speaker will be muffled.
•No Voice Recorder. This should be included in the Flagship of the line.
•No vibrating alarm. Should also be in a high end model.
•No built-in WiFi. Again, this is the newest Flagship Tungsten, it should be there.
•No cradle.
•No dual SD Card slot. If there's no built-in WiFi, at least have a dual slot so a WiFi card and storage card can both be used.

Things I'm neutral about:
•No UC. I really don't have any accessories that utilize it.
•No slider. While, I like the slider on my T3 and never had any problems with it, I would not necessarily miss it.
•No Cobalt.

Possitives:
•Bigger, better battery.
•Onboard accessible Flash memory.
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Add me to the list of people who isn't sorry to see voice recorder go. I'll miss its button though. Quick launcher category change was very handy.
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Old 10-09-2004, 05:40 PM   #30
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I love the voice recorder on my TH55 - that and the camera make it really easy to record important information from meetings.
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