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Old 07-13-2004, 04:41 AM   #1
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Quality Video on Palm: Full guide

Quality Video on Palm: Full guide

Hi Everyone!
First, I want to explain the purpose of this guide. This guide explains in detail how you can prepare video to watch on you Palm handheld. It usable mostly for converting full-length 1.5-2 hour movies to be stored on even a small 128mb sd-card with uperior quality. But you can use it as well for preparing video taken with digital or video camera , tv-tuner captured video or another video from any other source which is stored in MPEG or AVI format , also Mpeg2. This includes most popular now-a-days DIVX and XVID videos. However it does not include converting a DVD – this is different process and I’m aiming to write another uide which explains it. (please tell me anybody if you need such guide.) .

This guide is targeted for an inexperienced users as well. So anybody which is not familiar with video conversion/compression issue could also prepare and watch movies. The text marked with /*….*/ is some additional advanced explanations, and comments. If you are new to all this and you just want to prepare quality video for your palm – you don’t need to read them.
This guide was inspired by my previous guide Here on the Brighthand.

All programs mentioned in this guide are free , mostly open-source software best in their field.
The only program which is shareware – is a player for Palm – Mmplayer . But it is the only player for palm which can directly play Divx/Xvid/Mpeg video.
/* If you know another such player – please tell me. */

Now , before we start doing anything, a reasonable request from your side would be to test the result immediately. So you can decide from the beginning whether it worth dealing with.
No problem at all. I prepared a couple of files – parts of movies already good for watching them on Palm. So all you need to do – is download a Mmplayer and one or more of the test video files and see by yourself. You can download any version of Mmplayer, the last for now is version 0.2.12. Get it here: MMPlayer0.2.12.zip. I personally use version 0.2.8, here: MMPlayer0.2.8.zip and 0.2.6 , MMPlayer0.2.6.zip . The guide was tested on 0.2.6 and 0.2.8 version. Since everything works fine for me with these versions already – I see no reason to upgrade. Also there are rumors that newer version might be slower. OK, here are some examples for download. : These files were prepared to be watched on Zire71, so they should run smooth any other equivalent or faster OS5 machines, which means all other machines except Tungsten|E .
/* T|E users also can watch movies on their pda, but you need overclocking, just read ahead */


video type: Fast motion ( “The Matrix” fighting scene)
resolution: 320x144
file length: 2min 6sec, file size: 5.5mb
download Here


video type: cartoon
resolution: 320x176
file length: 1min 52 sec, file size: 5.5mb
download Here


-=Specially for Tungsten||T3 users or other with 480x320 screen.=-
video type: fast motion (StarWars space fight scene)
resolution: 480x224
file length: 3min 4sec, file size: 8.8mb
download Here


All files were created using Xvid video codec (last version) and Mp3 audio codec.

P.s Of course you can watch files on your computer too, but they look MUCH better on Palm’s screen than on computer monitor. 

P.s2: Some users said that they can’t download files. Well these are not direct link to the .avi files because the server I’m storing files on, doesn’t support direct download. (If anyone know better free server to store some 20mb – tell me) So after clicking on the file, you just need to click on “follow this link to save the file”


Well, I know this is silly to try to “show” how video looks on palm screen by pictures, but anyways, here’s a couple of screenshots of my zire71 screen :




If somebody has troubles playing those files, here’s short explanation. It depends whether you have or Don’t have card reader
A)you do have card-reader. Just copy the .avi files on your SD card, than, after launching MMplayer, you will see this window:

Than go to “Playlist” tab and add your file(s)


Than go back to “Main” and play the file(s).

B)You Don’t have card-reader. You can encounter some problems adding .avi file to your handheld. So I suggest using this simple technique: just rename the .avi file to .pdb file so, hotsync manager won’t complain. After you synchronized , you have to rename the file back to .avi on the palm itself using any file manager, like Filez (free) /Mcfile/Zlauncher…


/* OK, now, before I start the guide itself, some of you make ask the following question:
Why to use especially THIS solution? There are many programs like Kinoma/ Smartmovie/ PocketDVD/other?
Let me explain about this in couple of words. First, all these programs can be divided into 2 categories:
1) programs like Kinoma, which use their own format to play, It also includes a application for PC which will convert files.
2) Programs like Smartmovie just help you to convert the file to smaller .avi format – similar to what we will do in the guide.
1) Of course kinoma has it’s advantages – it is very fast, easy to use. If you have older M515 or other OS4 pda – kinoma is probably your only choice. But you can’t compare kinoma’s format to the most advanced video compression format in the world, which is Divx/Xvid, and other mpeg-4 (wmv9/rv10/vp6/sbc/…) There is no any other “special” format which will give you better quality/size that Divx, especially Xvid. So if you want to be able to put full movie on 128mb card having superior quality – you have to use Mpeg-4 (divx/xvid).
2) Most programs of this category will not give you access to some advanced codec parameters, which will give you even better quality/smaller size. I’m talking about things like amount of b-frames/ vhq mode, etc.

Bottom line: So why spending money on buying software , if you can do

everything by yourself, and even with maybe better result all for free? */

/* In this guide I will use Xvid codec, since imho it is currently the best of all other mpeg-4 codec, as you can see here in the most well-known Latest Codec Comparison */
/* Xvid has another advantages: it enables you to use more b-frames (see explanation ahead) and it allows you to specify the file Size and not just bitrate, which is very useful. But this is a matter of choice. Differences are hot that huge and you of course can use any other Mpeg-4 compatible codec like Divx5/Sbc….. */
Finally, we can start the guide. OK, here’s the software you will or may need:


-=GUIDE STARTS HERE=-
1) Download and install necessary software


VirtualDubMod – the main program we will work with.
Latest XVID codec
Lame MP3 codec . Most chances that you already have mp3 codec, but anyways.
Other various free video/audio tools can be found here .
This is what we will need for the process. But you also may need another codecs (decoders) to be able to open some files.
For example files with AC3 sound. So if you having troubles opening some partiqulair files, download This Codec pack , which contains: DivX3.11alpha, DivX5.11 Pro, XviD Koepi 1.0.1, Huffyuv 0.2.2.1, AC3Filter 0.70b, mpgaudioax, Morgan Stream Switcher and ffdshow

2)Opening file in VirtualDubMod.
After starting virtualdubmod, open file you want to convert by File->Open video file. It can be .Avi or Mpeg file mostly. In my case I will convert a Shrek2 video file which is 700mb – 1 cd (that I downloaded over P2P, but let’s not talk about this)


After loading file into virtualdubmod, you should see it opened:


If you want to see what codecs file is made of , you can go to File->File information:


this file is made using Xvid video codec and MP3 audio codec.

3) Video frame rete (fps):
Ok, Unless you file is somehow specially made , it will probably have about 20…30 fps (frames per second) – what most video files have. – you can see this info in previous picture. Most Palm’s can’t handle such huge framerate , maybe only those with 300mhz cpu or faster. And even than consider that leaving frame rate as is will require twice size to achieve same quality leve, which only possible for one movie on 256mb sd, and not 128. Anyway, set video framerate to a Half by Video->Frame rate->Process every other frame:


If your file is made by some digital camera, and is already 10 …15 fps or lower – no need to change anything.
4) Video resolution.
Well, this is most important part. Make sure you do everything right. First, make sure that black point is set to Video->Full processing mode
Go to Video->Filters->Add->Resize, you will see this window.
/* I know there are more advanced resize filters like vdmod_resize, just didn’t want to complicate things */


Ok, resolution depends on both input file and your device capabilities.
Device capabilities restrictions:
This is for slow pda users, like me which includes: Especially T|E (126mhz) Zire71/Tungsten|T2/Tungste|T (1447mhz) and Sony devices with similar speed. To all these users I would recommend using Overclocking programs,which is completely safe up to some degree. . See appendix A at the end of the guide called “Overclocking”. If you use Overclocking – you will not have any special restrictions: I’ll try to make it simple. Especially T|E users’ can’t playback video in full screen, since cpu is too slow. But most video is not “sqaare” so you won’t be needing full 320x320 pixels. You can leave X-resolution at 320 only if Y resolution will be very small (see below how to choose it) like 144 or 128. If Y-resolution will be large enough, like 176 or 208 – you will have to reduce Both X and Y resolution even more. For 144mhz cpu users, it is less critical, but for example you can’t play too large files, like 320x256 or 320x240.
Faster machines, 200mhz or more – don’t have these restrictions. No. So how do we choose output resolution? Fist, make sure you don’t change aspect ratio too much. /* Aspect ratio is relation between X resolution and Y resolution) */ otherwise picture will be stretched too much. Than Set the X-resolution to maximum of your screen dimensions, 320 for most or 480 for Hires+ TT3’s and others. Than calculate Y-resolution accordingly to the relation between X and Y. Here Shrek.2 has 608x320 resolution. So , 608/320=1.9. So If X-res will be 320, than Y-res will be calculated this way: new.Y-res = new.X.res)/(aspect ratio) = (320/1.9)=168. So we get 168.4 pixels as Y-resolution. Now it is VERY important that you will approximate the number to the nearest number which divides by 16 ( or at least by 8) This is because resolution has to be dividable by 16 in ANY video,not just for palm. So We can make Y-res to be 160 OR 176 – it’s your choose. For faster machines choose 176.
/* Now little back to slow cpu users: For Tungsten|E I woild choose 288x144 in this case. */
For T|T3 users it will be 480x256.
As a filter mode choose “precise bilinear”, finally it will look like this in my case:


5) Video Codec settings:
Go To video Video->Compression, you should see all you video codecs installed:


Xvid will be the last one in the list, choose it and “configure”
Change profile to “unrestricted”
In “encoding type choose “Two-pass – First pass”


Than click on the upper-right button (…)
Ok, here’s couple of things to explain:
You may put “adoptive quantization” to ON, but it’s not that important,
Make sure “closed GOV” is checked.
Now about BVops, aka B-frames:
In two words: B-frames will help reduce quality, but will require more power to play, so if you have 144mzh cpu or slower, and you are NOT going to use overclocking, than better don NOT choose to use bframes, otherwise put 1 or 2 in the “Max consecutive BVOP’s” .
/* What are b-frames? Most frames are P-frames, which means that the frame is decoded only using information from previous frame. espite it, B-frames are bi-directional frames that use information from both previous and next frames. As a result – they will be smaller than P-frames and you can get your video to be better quality when compressing high (and we ARE compressing high) But, as a side effect – video will be slightly harder to play – it will take more processor time. This is not a concern for most PC’s ,but is is problem for slow Palms. */
If you have 200mhz or faster device and you are trying to put many video to small space (as we all want) - for example 1.5 hours to 128mb – I DO recommend using 1 or more b-frames , since it will help to compress video even more. By the way, If you use Divx instead of Xvid – you are restricted to only 1 b-frame. I am using overclocking for my zire71 , so I put 1 b-frame.


Thank click OK, and click on “Advanced optins”
Set VHQ mode to 4 - this will make encoding longer but will produce better quality.
Set also chroma motion,
Set’ “use cartoon mode” if it is a cartoon. – It is in the case of Shrek2.
You may put “turbo” as well, (but don’t expect it to be much faster)


Click OK twice.


6) Audio Codec settings
Go to Stream->Stream List,
You will see smth like this:


Right-click on your stream, choose “full processing mode” , Than Right-click again, and choose “Compression”
You will see all your audio codecs installed in your system. You may have more than one MP3 (mpeg-layer 3 ) codec, it doesn’t’ matter which to choose


So choose Mpeg-layer-3 and than you need to choose audio bitrate:
How to choose?
Well, it depends mostly on whether you are compressing “Very much” or not, one normal moive aimed for 128mb sd-card is pretty much, so in this case I would recommend to choose 24kbps/24khz/mono. If you are compressing one movie to 256 sd card ( 180mb and more for 2 hours) - you can choose better sound quality – 48kbps/48khz/mono , no need to go higher, you won’t hear the difference, better save your free space ( if you have ) to a video part .
I also strongly do NOT recommend using stereo sound , unless you have much space (256mb and more) and you want perfect video and audio quality.
I have abut 190mb free on my 256mb SD card - so I decided to go for “better” quality – 48/48/mono.
*Optional:* If your video has too low volume – you can experience low volume problems in Mmplayer – so in that case you may increase volume by right-click->Volume:


7) Saving temp and Output files
OK, now , after adjusting all the settings,
Go to File->Save as, and there type any filename, like temp. This is NOT your result movie file – is is only the first pass file , and you won’t be needing this.

Also make sure you check “Don’t run this job now….”


Almost there, just last stage:
Go to Video->Compression-> Xvid -> Configure, and set encoding type to “2-pass – second pass”.


There you must specify the filesize you want for your video part. NOTE, this is not the final size of the movie – this is only video part, you have to consider audio part too. So first you need to calculate audio size, to simplify the process, you can use this bitrate calculator program, get it Here go to “disk space” tab, set divx bitrate to 0, fill “input length video” - Shrek2 is 1hour 32min. so I put 32min. Than choose your audio bitrate you have chosen before. You will see a size in megabytes that audio part will take. In my case it is 32 mbAlthough Xvid is very advanced codec and can do wonders, don’t push it too far. For example compressing 2.5 hours to 64mb is theoretically possible, and Xvid will make the file, but it will look really ugly.


By the way, this calc can also help you calculate resolution, see next tab “prop.calc” But it’s too late now .
So now we know how much audio will take. So put video size accordingly. In my case: I have free 190mb on my SD card, audio will take 32mb, so I have 158mb left for video. 158mb is (158*1024)=161792kilobytes. But never try to make the file just “up to the last bit” – it will be pity if your file doesn’t fit, and you will have to do all over again. So to make sure , I leave some 10mb free , and put 150000 in video size:


Than go to File-Save As, and write your desired filename – this will be your result movie file. Leave “ Don’t run this job…” checked.


Than go to File->Job control, you will see there 2 jobs. In my cas I have some more jobs (movies to make) that I don’t want to delete. You will see only 2 last lines, just click start.


Than you will see the following window, you can see how much time it will take . Not, this is for only First pass, Second pass will take same or longer time. For some decent Pentium3 class processor or higher, it shouldn’t take longer than 3-5 hours.


That’s all! Seems difficult? No, not at all, maybe the initial setup will take you some 10-15 minutes. After you encoded first movie – it will take you just 2 minutes to start another.
Shrek2 is on my zire:


Appendix A – Overclocking,
Well, unlike in PC area – you cannot burn anything by overclocking, but you can lead to instability that may need soft or even hard reset. However it is pretty safe to overclock to some degree. For example T|E and Zire 71 have same processor - Texas instruments Omap310 processor, On manufacturer’s page here is specified that this processor is designed to work at 175mhz. So palmOne reduced the processor speed to preserve the battery. That’s why I’m sure it is completely safe to overclock these 2 machines up to 175mhz or so – this should be enough to watch movies in full screen.. Anyway, I overclock my Zire to maximum – 192mhz – never had any problem. So to overclock the processor you can use a program called “Lightspeed” , see here .
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Who thinks this thread should be made sticky? I do. Great guide. Thanks!

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Hi junglemike,
Nice guide. I am curious about a few things, since I have tried my very best to get MMplayer to work for me, but to no avail. For the record, I know a fair bit about video compression and codecs, as I have been doing DivX, Xvid, and MPEG2 (DVD authoring) for many years.
Like I stated in a thread a little further down the page, I have tried many varients of encoding with DivX 5 and Xvid 4, but have pretty much given up on MMplayer on the TH55 (and I am using low bitrates that you wouldn't want to watch anyway, like 192Kbps).
I am curious if you have tried your sample files on a TH55 (I can't download the test files you made either by right clicking and selecting "Save as" or by simply following the link) -> I am curious, because TH55 users have the slower processer AND want to watch video in full-screen landscape (vs your Zire, which is not hi-res plus).
I have downloaded the sample files from the MMplayer site, and while their lowest quality file will play smoothly on my TH55, the quality is so bad that it is unwatchable.
If anyone has tested these files on their TH55 please report to us about your results. My theory is that they may play OK in portrait mode, but be unwatchable in landscape mode (although I hope that I am wrong).
Thanks for your effort, I hope this discussion gets us some progress on making MMplayer work for TH users.
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(and I am using low bitrates that you wouldn't want to watch anyway, like 192Kbps).

192kbps - is not a low bitrate - lowest bitrates i used are under 100kbps - and you can pull out still bisible result. With ultra low bitrates you can also use some fiters that increase compressibility, like ThemporalSmoother filters.

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I am curious if you have tried your sample files on a TH55 (I can't download the test files you made either by right clicking and selecting "Save as" or by simply following the link) ->

Can you please tell me what's wrong with these links. I tested them on 2 computers on IE and mozilla firefox.

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I am curious, because TH55 users have the slower processer AND want to watch video in full-screen landscape (vs your Zire, which is not hi-res plus).

CAn you please try the filies i prepared. I prepared them especially so they will require little power to playe, i.e i used no b-frames in them? I also tried to search the google what is TH55 cpu speed but couldn't find. Anybody knows?
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To download the movie .. you might want to use some download accelerator to help you.. don't know why.. if you click on the link, WMP will try to open the video but it will complains and not getting the file at all. Also, using right clicking and Save As, won't work either.. some how if you right click and save as, it gives you a .html file. I end up using Net Transport to download the file.

I was the one compalining about MMplayer yesterday.. i tried Matrix.. it works well. I don't know what I did wrong earlier.. I am trying the method JungleMike using.. so far.. it gets throught the 1st part in 11 mnis (my movie is around 30 mins).. but for the 2nd job.. it is saying "in progress".. have been saying in progress for over 20 mnis.. but the status bar under VirtualDub Job Control still say 0%.. is that normal? my movie is just 30mins. BTW, I am using VirtualDub 1.5.10 and not VirutalDubMod 1.5.10.1.. does that matter? My Job 2 still sitting there at 0%.. no crash.. but no progress either.. i don't know if it is normal or not.


other thing if JungleMike aware.. I was trying to play the same MPEG movie on MMPLayer and Movie Player on Th-55.. Movie Player plays well without problem.. MMPlayer were playing really bad.. slow.. squares all the time..
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Nicely done junglemike. I am a Mac users, do you know of any software I can use which runs on the Mac rather than PC?

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this is a very nice guide !!! thanks !

but I DO have a problem with VirtualDub:

I tried many different aviand mpg files but I can't full-process the audio stream.
I have all of the audio and video codecs installed on my Windows XP (including AC3 filter, Lame mp3 codec, xvid and divx video codecs)
But when I select full-processing , in the stream list and then select compression, I can not see any supported formats in the right panel when I choose "Lame MP3" from the left panel.
I can only select a format if I choose "show all formats" on the right.

Even selecting it, I can not convert the stream becasue when I try to create the new converted file I get an error saying :
"No audio decompressor could be found to decompress the source audio format."

I re-installed all of the codecs that are mentioned and restarted windows xp but the situation did not change.

I can play these video files on the same PC with Media Player and other divx players.

I also tried it on another PC with similar configuration but ı get the same error.

any idea on what is my problem ?
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I also tried to search the google what is TH55 cpu speed but couldn't find. Anybody knows?


It varies. Sony did some mods around the ARM core so it can clock anywhere between 8MHz and 123MHz and varies dynamically depending on system load, this is how they got such good battery life for the TH-55.

There's another interesting issue though, Sony added a seperate digital signal processor chip to ensure that media playback wasn't compromised by the relatively slow main CPU. I don't know any details of the DSP I'm afraid, I also know nothing about PalmOS APIs so I've no idea if there are standard APIs that Sony has re-implemented to use the DSP (hence any app that uses the APIs as part of its playback would benefit from the DSP) or whether it is only Sony's supplied software that has been specifically written to use the DSP. I guess some experiments with your files might yield the answer, if the DSP isn't being used then the performance will probably be awful, it it is then it should be excellent.

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You Rock dude..

now, what do I do with my kinoma producer?
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I was the one compalining about MMplayer yesterday.. i tried Matrix.. it works well. I don't know what I did wrong earlier.. I am trying the method JungleMike using.. so far.. it gets throught the 1st part in 11 mnis (my movie is around 30 mins).. but for the 2nd job.. it is saying "in progress".. have been saying in progress for over 20 mnis.. but the status bar under VirtualDub Job Control still say 0%.. is that normal? my movie is just 30mins. BTW, I am using VirtualDub 1.5.10 and not VirutalDubMod 1.5.10.1.. does that matter? My Job 2 still sitting there at 0%.. no crash.. but no progress either.. i don't know if it is normal or not.

You have something wrong with your codec's setup. Try to install latest codeck pack specified in the guide.

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other thing if JungleMike aware.. I was trying to play the same MPEG movie on MMPLayer and Movie Player on Th-55.. Movie Player plays well without problem.. MMPlayer were playing really bad.. slow.. squares all the time..

Actually, i never hold a sony device in my hands, so i really don't know what this Movie player can do . Is it capable of playing back real Mpeg-4 video (divx/xivd)? or just Mpeg?
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Nicely done junglemike. I am a Mac users, do you know of any software I can use which runs on the Mac rather than PC?

Sorry, I'm completely unfiamiliar with Mac platform.

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I tried many different aviand mpg files but I can't full-process the audio stream.
I have all of the audio and video codecs installed on my Windows XP (including AC3 filter, Lame mp3 codec, xvid and divx video codecs)
But when I select full-processing , in the stream list and then select compression, I can not see any supported formats in the right panel when I choose "Lame MP3" from the left panel.
I can only select a format if I choose "show all formats" on the right.

Even selecting it, I can not convert the stream becasue when I try to create the new converted file I get an error saying :
"No audio decompressor could be found to decompress the source audio format."

I re-installed all of the codecs that are mentioned and restarted windows xp but the situation did not change.

I can play these video files on the same PC with Media Player and other divx players.

I also tried it on another PC with similar configuration but ı get the same error.

any idea on what is my problem ?


I probably must have added this to the gude. if your audio stream is in other than mp3 format - you have to CONVERT it befoer compressing, otherwice, it won't let you .
For example, this file has 5-channel AC3 sound - as it was originally stored on DVD.


So before i can choose a compression , i must convert it to 2 (or 1 ) channel audio,
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It varies. Sony did some mods around the ARM core so it can clock anywhere between 8MHz and 123MHz and varies dynamically depending on system load, this is how they got such good battery life for the TH-55.

There's another interesting issue though, Sony added a seperate digital signal processor chip to ensure that media playback wasn't compromised by the relatively slow main CPU. I don't know any details of the DSP I'm afraid, I also know nothing about PalmOS APIs so I've no idea if there are standard APIs that Sony has re-implemented to use the DSP (hence any app that uses the APIs as part of its playback would benefit from the DSP) or whether it is only Sony's supplied software that has been specifically written to use the DSP. I guess some experiments with your files might yield the answer, if the DSP isn't being used then the performance will probably be awful, it it is then it should be excellent.

I agree with you . So can anyone test the fiiles and say whether they run or not. Can you overclock the processor even more than 123mhz? Im my zire71 144mhz is not always enough, so i need to overclock sometimes up to 192mhz. Can same thing be done with Th55? Also, i'm not sure if we can compare 1mhz of SonyTh55 to 1mhz of Zire71 or Tungstens. This is different processors, i guess, For example, If we compare the same way Pentium 3 and Pentium 4 - you'll see that 1mhz of P3 is about 1.3-1.5 times faster than 1mhz of P4. What do you say?
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Very nice work, haven't tried it out yet but will do so tonight probably... Been hoping someone would do this, I've never had enough time to research...
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Hi Junglemike, I will try a different download method, but have never used a "download accelerator" before, so we'll see! Any chance that 1src could host those files?


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Actually, i never hold a sony device in my hands, so i really don't know what this Movie player can do . Is it capable of playing back real Mpeg-4 video (divx/xivd)? or just Mpeg?



The Clie movie player can play native MPEG or a modified quicktime version with an MQV extension (produced by the Sony movie converter). This little program is pretty amazing in terms of the quality it produces (if limited on customization, THANK GOD for IC Prefs). With slight modification to the TH55 standard files, it can play 30fps at 768Kbps with no problems!

But as JulianL mentioned, my main concern regarding MMplayer is the Sony handheld engine (HHE), which is actually a coupling of several application specific processors, one of which is specifically for video. I just don't think that this engine provides the brute power that MMplayer requires -> it was designed to compromise on processing power with a payoff in terms of battery life.

The reason the built in player is SO stunning is that it is coded to take advantage of the TH55's dedicated video processor. Since MMplayer is not optimized to take advantage of the HHE's video processing chip, it cannot match the built in player for performance -> this is why, as Softtech mentions, the built in player can handle an MPEG with no problems but MMplayer chokes on it.

Overall, the TH55 is running at 8~123Mhz, but since MMplayer cannot take advantage of the seperate processors, it probably does not even have the benefit of 123Mhz of processor power. No brute speed on our machines like on a T3....but at least our batteries have staying power.
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Completly agree with you that this dinamycallly chaning cpu speed is really great invention and keeps battery alive. This is similair to the Centrino technology in laptops.
I wound't probably need to desperately hack my zire to work 25 hours, see here if i had some decent sony device. I also agree with you that these dedicated multimedia chips is very good too. But the problems is that you can't achieve really high qulality in small size using mpeg (mpeg1) or mvq formats. Divx and especially Xvid codecs are the best in the world for producing qulity/size material. Of course you can achieve good quality with other codecs too, like Mpeg, but you will need much higher bitrate for that. For example it is easy to put 1.5-2 hour movie on only 1 128mb sd card with really nice quiality, it will be about 130kbps video bitrate. If you try hard, and use many b-frames, you can even put not too long moivie on 64mb card, though with lower quality. You see? That's why i think it is important to find out how to play mpeg-4 files on your th55 device. By the way, i still think it IS possible with mmplayer, can anybody check this , please.
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