BClie2k

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winexprt

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I will try to explain this... please let me know if I use too many long words.... first off reverse engineering is marginally acceptable as long as it is for learning only. This can't exactly be hidden. However, distribution of the exact code from the reverse engineering is quite illegal as that would be part of a copyright or patent.

for instance, I can take apart microsoft word and learn how its document processing reading/writing is done and the full format of the their word document and make an import/export or compatible reader. PROVIDING that I purchased it in the first place. However simply taking microsoft code decompiling it to assembly and distributing that assembly is most illegal.

copying software from one handheld to another of software you have not purchased... again illegal. clear?

Not clear. Having an entire forum devoted to CF, where a well known member has a link to his site that has UX50 apps available for download (and to copy over to your Clie) is legal?

now if you want to argue this with someone, argue it with your local district attorney to argue up to the patent and copyright office, because it does not even involve the people at CS, they are bound to discourage illegal activities, but Reggie did not make the law, they are bound to it just as you and I are.


Again, not bound too tightly then if they allow links to UX50 apps that you can download and copy over to your Clie.

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SamuraiCatJB

well... I find it rediculous that people blame Reggie for following patent and copyright laws just because THEY want to break them. If you have a PROBLEM with the law, don't complain at Reggie complain at your government representative, your attorney general, your district attorney or anyone that could actually DO something! is that so hard to comprehend? obviously it is, because people are still complaining to the wrong people!

Reggie can have this board lost, and all of his computer equipment compounded by the federal government as part of the investigation, on top of a 10,000.00 fine, if he allows you folks to engage in illegal copyright/patent efforts here or encourage it. And you complain at him for not letting you....

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SamuraiCatJB

I don't visit the UX/CF areas... however, if you believe they are violating the copyright law, your choice is to ask Reggie to remove them. That is your only choice. Not to extend the activities further. So, would you like me to review the CF areas for possible patent or copyright violation as a professional software developer for possible removal?

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winexprt

Well, I do visit the CF forum and have for quite a while. That is why I brought this up. There were posts (still are) upon posts upon posts referring to a member whose site contains UX50 apps for download and copying over to your Clie. My only problem with that is why is allowing THAT ok and not someone who would potentially want some TH55 app? Hypothetically of course.

Unless you are a lawyer who specializes in patent law, or a lawyer who specializes in copyright law why don't we leave that potential analysis to an expert?

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SamuraiCatJB

the lawyer will act on a professional opinion, mine or someone elses. In the case of palm software, probably not mine. However, as a professional member of software developement organization, I am bound to review if requested and turn in violations for legal action. i doubt Reggie knows this, though he does know I am a professional software developer.

Which brings us back to square one. That little phrase on the bottom right of every post. IF you believe something to violate the rules of the board you have the right to report it. You do not have the right to extend the violation further.

Per legal precident in the Huffman compression of GIF and PK products over a 8 year process, it was given out free, however it was patented. When the owning company decided to charge they did, and the courts inforced it. Even offering something for free does not necessarily mean they cannot charge for it later. Past does NOT effect future precedent in patent and copyright law.

so again. Your choice is to turn in those violations you believe are there, not add to them. If the the CS code is reverse engineered I would probably refer the case on to someone else closer to the products in question as it would take me too long to review the sources being unfamiliar.

IF you buy the new PDA and want to transfer the software to YOUR older PDA, this is a grey area not covered by current digital copyright laws (yet) and still under review by congress and the copyright legal folks. I will not raise a red flag there. If you ask someone who purchased a new PDA to copy the software for you to upgrade your old PDA because you do not want to make a new purchase. I must raise a red flag. That does fall enough into my area of expertise for me to make a call. Now, what you do off CS is none of my concern, but if you do it in front of me on CS, it is my concern, and I have no choice in the matter either.

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crazy_smeggie

So I'll assume that y'all don't want to just drop all of this negativity and talk about beer?

SMEGGIE

crazy_smeggie

Circuit City + TJ37 + Filez + MS + NF = = Bravo!!


SMEGGIE

winexprt

Alrighty then! Enough of all the legalese...leaves a bad taste in my mouth. Shakespeare was right!

Mmmm BEER!

Hey Smeggie. Have you heard of this bar d.b.a.'s here in NYC? Awesome selection of Belgian's!

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crazy_smeggie

No, I haven't...

But I would be willing to fly out there just to try it!! I'll let you know when I'll be out there again!!


SMEGGIE

(Now that's more like it!!)

BClie2k

You guys are making me feel like drinking beer and I don't have any. I'll be back in a sec. I'm going to buy beer.

Al

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crazy_smeggie

Jesus Jumpin' Jizwads!!

They have some good stuff on the menu there!! I'd go for the Old Foghorn alone!!

I have selected tonight as the night where I will dare to cross the line beyond three Sierra Nevada Bigfoot in one sitting. My personal record is six (without getting arrested), but that was a long time and several levels of responsibility ago.

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lostether

Thank goodness this thread has turned in a direction I find fundamentally important to most Clie users and accused software pirates everywhere - BEER!. I think SamuraiCatJB better buy the next round if we are expected to sit through another one of his diatribes