1src Forums - What's so bad about Graffiti 2?

02-18-2004, 07:55 PM	#1
krypticide Senior Monkey Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Cambridge, MA Posts: 352	What's so bad about Graffiti 2? What's so bad about Graffiti 2? I've never used it. I used to have an old NR70, and never heard of Graffiti 2. I'm making a comeback into the Palm scene, with a pre-ordered BB TH55. :-D The perfect PDA has finally come for me...

02-18-2004, 08:56 PM	#2
jumpyg Registered User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: D-Town Posts: 557	I was wondering myself. I will certainly give it a shot to see if I like it. It will also be interesting to see how well Decuma works. __________________ I just neutered the cat. Now he's a liberal.

02-18-2004, 10:08 PM	#3
threengs Senior Pretender Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Fort Worth, TX Posts: 195	Decuma is great. You'll never want to go back to graffiti ever again after using it. __________________ "Mr. Jarod said that cockroaches would be the only things alive after a biological war. And a woman named Parker." Handspring Visor, Handspring Platinum, Palm M505, Palm Zire, Sony Clie T-415, Sony Clie TJ-35, Sony Clie UX-40, Sony Clie TH-55, Palm Treo 650, Apple iPhone, Apple iPhone 3G

02-18-2004, 10:10 PM	#4
rldunn Michigan Mod Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Brighton, MI USA Posts: 2,275	I don't think it's bad per se, just different. And because of that and the fact that some people were so used to Graffiti 1, they don't like it. For me, it's a wash. Some things are very cool (like the autocap when crossing middle line feature, ala MiddleCapsHack), and some things are awful (I think t's and k's are awful now). If I had to decide, I would probably pick G1, but I won't switch back since due to the lawsuit, for better or for worse, we're stuck with G2, so I'll have to learn it someday. Might as well be now. Decuma is pretty cool. I used my keyboard on my NX almost exclusively, but since I pre-ordered my TH, I've forced myself to go without it to see if I can deal with using pen input. I make mistakes in Decuma just as I do in G2 and I'm slower with both of them than I was with the keyboard, but I think once I get used to each of them, speed will improve. YMMV.

02-18-2004, 11:36 PM	#5
krypticide Senior Monkey Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Cambridge, MA Posts: 352	Yeah, I used to have something akin to MiddleCapsHack, and I'm happy to see them do a true implementation. What's this about a lawsuit? Did someone accuse Palm of stealing their Graffiti technology? __________________ Do YOU have a Brass Rat?

02-18-2004, 11:52 PM	#6
gvegaa Registered User Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Mexico Posts: 335	I agree with rldunn Graffiti 2 is not bad, it is easier for new users and harder to use for Graffiti 1 fans. What I don't like is: Letter "t" the number 1 followed by a - (comes to a +) no (real) option to customize letters (for writing) Decuma is very good as well, I use it also. Is great to show off! __________________ And do not forget to do good and to share with others... (Heb 13:16) _________________________ Palm Vx, N760, NR70V, NX70V, NX80...

02-18-2004, 11:53 PM

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http://www.xerox.com/downloads/usa/..._3Q2003_10Q.pdf

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Xerox Corporation v. 3Com Corporation, et al.: On April 28, 1997, we commenced an action in U.S. District Court for the
Western District of New York against Palm for infringement of the Xerox “Unistrokes” handwriting recognition patent by the Palm
Pilot using “Graffiti.” On January 14, 1999, the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office (“PTO”) granted the first of two 3Com/Palm
requests for reexamination of the Unistrokes patent challenging its validity. The PTO concluded its reexaminations and confirmed the validity of all 16 claims of the original Unistrokes patent. On June 6, 2000, the judge narrowly interpreted the scope of the Unistrokes patent claims and, based on that narrow determination, found the Palm Pilot with Graffiti did not infringe the Unistrokes patent claims. On October 5, 2000, the Court of Appeals for the Federal Circuit reversed the finding of no infringement and sent the case back to the lower court to continue toward trial on the infringement claims. On December 20, 2001, the District Court granted our
motions on infringement and for a finding of validity thus establishing liability. On December 21, 2001, Palm appealed to the Court
of Appeals. We moved for a trial on damages and an injunction or bond in lieu of injunction. The District Court denied our motion for
a temporary injunction, but ordered a $50 bond to be posted to protect us against future damages until the trial. Palm provided
a $50 irrevocable letter of credit in favor of Xerox. In January 2003, after the oral argument, Palm announced that it would stop
including Graffiti in its future operating systems. On February 20, 2003, the Court of Appeals affirmed the infringement of the
Unistrokes patent by Palm’s handheld devices and that Xerox will be entitled to an injunction if the validity of the patent is favorably
determined. It remanded the validity issues back to the District Court for further validity analysis. On March 20, 2003, we sought
reconsideration of the Court of Appeals opinion, but such reconsideration was denied on April 8, 2003. The parties anticipate being contacted soon by the District Court regarding procedure to be followed on remand. Because the validity of the patent must be reconsidered, the basis for the protection bond no longer exists, and the $50 irrevocable letter of credit has been returned. We received a decision and order of the District Court on July 21, 2003 which sets a schedule for briefing of summary judgment with respect to the issue of validity of the patent in suit, with a hearing for argument scheduled to occur on December 10, 2003. Pursuant to a court order of July 17, 2003, (1) expert reports were exchanged between the parties during the third quarter 2003, (2) depositions of experts from both sides were taken shortly thereafter, and (3) summary judgment motions, directed solely to the issue of validity, were filed by the parties on October 10, 2003.

Phuck Xerox...

02-18-2004, 11:54 PM	#8
jehhrie Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Taipei,Taiwan Posts: 80	I am used to Graffiti 2 now after a few weeks of using it. But when you're used to using Graffiti 1 then just shifted over to G2....it is really a pain in the ***...especially when the last letter of the word you are writing is an L then you make a stroke to have a space after the letter. The L becomes a T, man.....Now I am used to this but sometimes still forget about the L. Anyway, practice makes perfect so to say! jehhrie __________________ Pilot III,M505,Sony PEG-T650C SD 512mb,CF 1 gb, MS Pro 512mb. Sony TRV60 A smile from you can bring happiness to anyone....Even if sometimes they don't like you. Stay happy....coz the best things in life are made to last!

02-19-2004, 02:31 PM	#9
Cyker Registered User Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 3,188	Graffiti 2 isn't toooooo bad I guess. A lot of the old strokes from G1 are still valid. However, I don't like all the new two-stoke symbols. G1 was genius - every character was a single stroke, but this is no longer the case with G2, and the added complexity makes some chars harder to correctly enter quickly. I wanna try Decuma, but for me i suspect G1 will be faster still.