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11-12-2003, 11:44 PM	#1
pusfarm Large Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: So. Cal. Posts: 319	Clie: A Criminal's Toolbox Interesting reading: http://www.nytimes.com/ref/open/rev...4palm-OPEN.html

11-13-2003, 12:14 AM	#2
cbulock Moderator Bronze Contributor Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Michigan, USA Posts: 3,116	Note to self: Delete all info on Clie that details every record of my criminal activities. __________________ -Cameron

11-13-2003, 12:27 AM	#3
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11-13-2003, 01:00 AM	#4
Spiral bored Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: California Posts: 850	Good thing I have a decent password on mine, of course i'm not hiding any criminal activity. __________________ PDA's: Asus A620, Ipaq 3835, m100, NR70v, SJ20. SJ30, Tungsten C/E/T/T3

11-13-2003, 05:11 AM	#5
mike p WebMaster Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Pittston, PA Posts: 981	lol, i think hucsman there better hard reset __________________ Palm TX with 4GB SD (Not SDHC) card, ThinkOutside Bluetooth keyboard Clie NX70, 128MB MS, 2GB MS Pro Duo, Wl110 WiFi card

11-13-2003, 10:36 AM

Flash-57

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> Good thing I have a decent password on mine, of course i'm
> not hiding any criminal activity.

Read the article carefully. They strongly imply that passwords are not a barrier to investigators.

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Hand-held users often believe - wrongly, investigators say - that what is personal is also private. "People assume that only they can have access," Dr. Leibrock said.

As the criminals are discovering, that isn't the case. The simplicity of a hand-held makes information easily retrievable - not only by the owner, but by whoever has physical access to the device.

And, also note that your PDA may be password protected, but that hotsync backup on your hard drive probably isn't.

The best you can do is make it difficult for police to get in. I doubt you can make it impossible.

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11-13-2003, 10:57 AM

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Re: Clie: A Criminal's Toolbox

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Originally posted by pusfarm
Interesting reading:

http://www.nytimes.com/ref/open/rev...4palm-OPEN.html

Yes! Thanks for sharing.

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11-13-2003, 11:02 AM	#8
Orincarnia thats me an heidi Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: San Antonio Posts: 1,973	ok i'm getting paranoid now, i keep my jounral on my pda, and i just realize i keep some of the most personal things that i would never want anyone to see about me, i guess i shouldn't think of my pda to be my best friend, it knows more than my own best friend does about me...scary no one can get info out of the human best friend, but the electronic one is open to anyone, any way to keep the device from betraying me? __________________ dyslexics of the world UNTIE

11-13-2003, 11:06 AM	#9
uwilloz2me Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 162	WOW, Now I'll keep mine on a password! HEEHEE!

11-13-2003, 12:15 PM	#10
s_n_m Registered User Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 1,514	Cool... Hey why didn't those people just backup to a card, hard reset the device, and hide the card...anywhere? I can think of a million ways to permanently hide an SD/MS card in a retrieveable place.

11-13-2003, 12:44 PM	#11
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11-13-2003, 01:09 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by s_n_m
Cool...

Hey why didn't those people just backup to a card, hard reset the device, and hide the card...anywhere? I can think of a million ways to permanently hide an SD/MS card in a retrieveable place.

Because it seems like there were still using the info to help them keep their 'activities' organized. They probably didn't think they would get caught.

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11-13-2003, 02:08 PM	#13
Orincarnia thats me an heidi Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: San Antonio Posts: 1,973	yeah it kinda sucks, i'm always caught when i least expect it i mean, in an example sene of course, nothin illegal goin on here (hides clie) nope, nothin........ __________________ dyslexics of the world UNTIE

11-13-2003, 03:47 PM	#14
Flash-57 Off we go! Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Boulder, CO USA Posts: 557	> Because it seems like there were still using the info to help > them keep their 'activities' organized. They probably didn't > think they would get caught. Right. A To-Do List of criminal activities and the victim's personal schedule isn't much use to the criminal if it only exists on a memory stick that's hidden behind that loose brick in the fireplace. Criminals use the PDA just like the rest of us do. It's just not much good if the PDA is stored in a plastic bag at the bottom of the Oatmeal box. __________________ -- Flash!

11-13-2003, 04:57 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by Flash-57
> It's just not much good if the PDA is stored in a plastic bag at the bottom of the Oatmeal box.

How did you know? Who told you? Now I have to find a new place...

I had read an article about this about a year ago, may have been the same article, I haven't read the one that is linked to in this thread yet. It is really interesting though, how criminals are being so careless with thier information. Now I know why all of these 128-bit encryption programs are popping up for PalmOS! Seriously, I'm sure that's for the cooporate sector of the market... but I'm sure Big Louie wouldn't mind having the same high-level encryption for his list of "associates".

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