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09-15-2003, 11:54 AM	#1
orol where is my UX60 ?!? Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Vienna / Austria Posts: 1,995	Dataviz Documents To Go goes NATIVE !!!!! see topic & http://www.brighthand.com/article/D...oGo_Goes_Native or http://www.dataviz.com/ respecitvely full native support open, edit and SAVE!!! back to native formats!!! great great! I LOVE palm. this has been great week so far!! warfare, zodiac, DTG native .. gee I'm so happy I'm a Palm OS user !!!

09-15-2003, 11:56 AM	#2
orol where is my UX60 ?!? Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Vienna / Austria Posts: 1,995	more details here http://www.dataviz.com/products/doc...g_features.html I'm sooo excited abou this!!!!

09-15-2003, 12:01 PM	#3
Burns Almight knowing ...thing? Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 242	Cool. Here's a question though, did they add support for the KB100 so you can select/move curser with CTRL/SHIFT+Arrow keys? __________________ "Thou knowest many things which are hidden, oh Tim" - Monty Python and the Holy Grail -----BEGIN PALM CODE BLOCK----- Version: 1.1 PS(J) f+ h+ b p+ o+ m+ F++ v++ g k+ r+ c++ n++ t- a G E M+ DS{TH55} ------END PALM CODE BLOCK------

09-15-2003, 01:09 PM	#4
orol where is my UX60 ?!? Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Vienna / Austria Posts: 1,995	look at all these features and supported formats !!! With Picsel as a PDF viewer it's a prefect combo! NEW! Native support for Word and Excel files NEW! Password protected files* NEW! Spell checking NEW! Word count NEW! Enhanced expansion card support NEW! Selective synchronization NEW! Compatible with Margi Presenter-to-Go NEW! Updated desktop application NEW! Bluetooth sending & receiving View, edit and create word processing files View, edit and create spreadsheet files View, edit and create presentation files No loss of formatting or document fidelity with DocSync™ technology Only product to support Word, Excel and PowerPoint PLUS WordPerfect, Word Pro, AppleWorks, ClarisWorks, RTF, text, Palm DOC, Quattro Pro & Lotus 123 Embedded graphics, table and font support in word processing documents E-mail with attachment support (including integration with VersaMail™ and SnapperMail™) View PDF files View graphics and photos View, edit and create Excel-like charts Optimized for portable keyboards Synchronize with multiple computers Synchronize with multiple users High resolution support Palm OS 5-Way Navigator support Sony Jog Dial support Supports 3rd party printing solutions Windows and Macintosh versions OS 5 and ARM optimized

09-15-2003, 02:35 PM	#5
orol where is my UX60 ?!? Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Vienna / Austria Posts: 1,995	well the first enthusiasm is over :-( I installed DTG, run it, and after I hit the button "Search for Files.." guess what ? it ended up with a RESET ! DataViz, again ? however it found the files that it suppose to find .. not a good start though (gotta report to DataViz, btw I have TG50+512MB MS) so far the conversion is superb, and also wrapping is great. font selection is very good too. even font aliasing is the best one I've seen on any PDA. it definitely matches font rendering on regular computer but I think, the way compatible documents have to be "added" isn't very practical.. it takes way too much time to add single document fi you have got many documents on the card p.s. a day or two ago I suggested to someone dropping DTG and using Wordsmith and Quickoffice combo instead. I take it back now :-) Drop that too appz, take advantage of the fact DTG used to be bundled with some Clies and upgrade it for $29 what it's definitely my case :-) btw. I've installed DTG only once, actually twice now :-), and I've been using QuickOffice over 3 years (and fan of QO too :-) .. but now I'm about to change the camp p.s.s. one more note .. DTG has got 4megs... blah gotta make some space in flash :-) Last edited by orol : 09-15-2003 at 02:55 PM.

09-15-2003, 02:50 PM	#6
madmaxmedia Guest Posts: n/a	4 Megs?!?! I assume that's for the full install with all viewers? I curently run the main Documents program in RAM, but store Word To Go and Sheet To Go on a MS, that keeps the footprint very low. I'm downloading the trial now...

09-15-2003, 02:55 PM	#7
UZI4U182 NX70v+WiFi user Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: York County, PA Posts: 506	I'm downloading the trial now as well, and I'm hoping that I can view AND edit native Word files, unlike Quickoffice 7. __________________ Devan \| UZI4U182@suscom.net

09-15-2003, 02:59 PM	#8
orol where is my UX60 ?!? Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Vienna / Austria Posts: 1,995	madmaxmedia: yep it's really 4 megs, I think 16MB of user accessible RAM isn't enough any longer .. DTG with all the components 4+ MB, Warfare 2,6MB, RifleSlug 2+ MB, Aggression 1+MB .. sony updates 20+ MB sony give us finaly a 64MB clie ..

09-15-2003, 03:00 PM

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Originally posted by UZI4U182
I'm downloading the trial now as well, and I'm hoping that I can view AND edit native Word files, unlike Quickoffice 7.

no problem with that, you can even CREATE NEW MS office documents ..

09-15-2003, 03:00 PM	#10
KachimiGaNai HEV Mach V Beta tester Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Feudal Japan Posts: 160	This is junk. PDA developers need to understand that I don't want to install conduits, applications, and other stuff on my PC for EVERY program I want for my PDA. They also need to understand I'm not about to give up 4megs of memory no matter how native the file support is. And lastly, DataViz needs to clean up their installer something fierce. I uninstalled and it gave me an error about the MFC42.dll, so I had to reboot just to delete the folder the uninstaller left behind. Don't even get me started on my 30 minute attempt to uninstall the application off my PDA... which involved Cleanup, Uninstall, ZLauncher's file manager, CLIE Files, and manual deleting crap in my hotsync directory. ...oh and 4 hard resets. KachimiGaNai (Now if they gave me a zip file with PRC's, and the ability to run it off a MS, I'd have bought it already. Oh, and the program is probbly awesome, but until I find a way to run it off my MS, its not being installed again).

09-15-2003, 03:09 PM	#11
rldunn Michigan Mod Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Brighton, MI USA Posts: 2,275	I just installed the demo, and the install went fine and I haven't had any problems on the Clie end. And this version is very nice!!! I had one of my Word docs synced as a native Word file, made a change on the Clie, and synced back, and it worked perfectly. This is a file with an embedded table, and that was maintained just fine. Very, very nice!! And on the NX73/80, the space thing shouldn't be much of an issue. I put all the files into Flash (including the spell dictionary), and I still have over 5MB of Flash free and nearly 12MB in RAM. This is probably going to be the first version of DTG that I actually buy. It really has surpassed Wordsmith now!!

09-15-2003, 03:12 PM

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Originally posted by KachimiGaNai
PDA developers need to understand that I don't want to install conduits, applications, and other stuff on my PC for EVERY program I want for my PDA.

If it doesn't install the conduit, then you're left with the very limited functionality provided by the standard Palm OS sync, which definitely isn't going to handle the syncing of documents. That's why every Palm app that syncs documents between the handheld and the PC has it's own conduit. At least with DTG, you could delete the conduit and just manually use DataImport to put native files on the MS and still be able to view and edit them on the handheld if you thought that was a better solution.

09-15-2003, 03:19 PM

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Originally posted by rldunn
If it doesn't install the conduit, then you're left with the very limited functionality provided by the standard Palm OS sync, which definitely isn't going to handle the syncing of documents. That's why every Palm app that syncs documents between the handheld and the PC has it's own conduit. At least with DTG, you could delete the conduit and just manually use DataImport to put native files on the MS and still be able to view and edit them on the handheld if you thought that was a better solution.

I can install directly to the MS through HotSync, use MSImport to drop files on the MS, run Smbmate, VFSFTP+, and so on. There is no need for me to install a program to somehow help me install files on my PDA; I barely need to hotsync anymore as it is. I do still recognize some people wish to use the internal document format of Palm and the programs that run on it, but an option to drop the conduit altogether is not going to kill any developers.

I also personally feel that if I could run DocsToGo off the memory stick with a footprint in RAM that's far less than 4megs and no desktop application it would be infinitely more useful to me and many other people.

Unlike some people, I lack access to flash ram, and I only have 11megs internal RAM to use; this makes me extra picky about what goes in there.

09-15-2003, 03:25 PM	#14
UZI4U182 NX70v+WiFi user Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: York County, PA Posts: 506	Alright, I've had problems with this from the very beginning. Right when I'm hotsyncing my NX70v to install the files I get a fatal error. Also, InboxToGo is a worthless pile of vomit. So basically, from my standpoint, even Quickoffice 7 is better than this because I can actually install Quickoffice. __________________ Devan \| UZI4U182@suscom.net

09-15-2003, 03:30 PM	#15
madmaxmedia Registered User Join Date: May 2002 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 1,428	Docs To Go has always REQUIRED the conduit because it could not read native files. Now that it can, I suspect that they will eventually offer an option that only installs required handheld files. Some people will want this just to open and edit native files on their PDA. During the installation process, you select which options you want to install. I only use the Word and Sheet programs. After installation, I moved those programs to the MS (like with DTG 5) to conserve further space. The programs are all bigger, but not that much bigger than before (and understandable given the improvements). The basic Documents program is around 200 kb, and the Word and Excel are 800 kb or so each, which is nothing if you move them to the card. There is also new category support for files that are stored on card. These files are synched just as files stored in RAM. So while a FULL install will take over 4 Meg, plus extra space for your working files, you can get by with MUCH less- just around 200 kb for the Documents file, plus some extra overhead for other data files that the program uses. Not bad for almost full desktop functionality IMO!! I'm starting to sound like a commercial, but another plus is that they didn't increase the price of the product. I haven't started opening native files yet, but will try that next. Thanks, Steve