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10-02-2003, 11:09 PM
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#16 | | Registered User
Join Date: Apr 2003
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 | Yeah, I'm still not sure why Sony is saying the connector wouldn't work, because the new cradle (UC55) is listed as compatible with the TJ series, the TG50, and the SJ series. The device itself might not physically fit in the original T-series cradle, but cables for the connector should work. I guess we won't find out for sure until the device starts hitting the shelves.
And as for the rankings, I ranked the devices from the point of view of a N760 owner with an investment in Memory Stick memory. I figured many people on ClieSource will be upgrading from OS4 Clie's, I definitely agree that the SD vs. MS wouldn't be a factor to a new buyer, unless they had, say, Panasonic (SD) or Sony (MS) AV products already. Also, for someone who's accustomed to much more memory than the N760 has, the extra 5MB would make a more substantial difference. I'm still not certain which device I'll be getting...
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10-03-2003, 12:12 AM
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#17 | | Remaining in Him
Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Texas
Posts: 827
| I have thought long and hard about why some of the accessories don't work for the TJ35 and I have concluded that it must because the corners of the TJ35 have sharp corners and the corners of my T665 are rounded. I cannot see any other reason for the cradle. As far as the KB100 compact keyboard is concerned, I am guessing that Sony is not supporting the KB11 any longer and will not update the dirver accordingly. A good marketing ploy that will cause people to buy more accessories and raise revenue. Bad move for keeping customer loyalty.
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Look, dude... it's my digital Bible and journal all in one neat little package. How cool is that? ... and it looks really cool on my Tungsten E.
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10-03-2003, 03:41 AM
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#18 | | Senior Member
Join Date: Feb 2002
Posts: 167
| It might be worth trying the KB100 driver on a TJ and using an older KB11 keyboard. | |
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10-03-2003, 03:49 AM
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#19 | | Senior Member
Join Date: Feb 2002
Posts: 167
| The TJ is also slightly thinner, but heavier than the T|E. The finish is also different, with the TJ metal case looking less plastic. Differences in battery life are currently unknown.
There is a wifi SD card, but no PalmOS5 driver. Don't know about whether there will ever be any Bluetooth or wifi Memory Stick's with appropriate drivers...
The T615C has enhanced IR, not sure about the TJ. | |
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10-03-2003, 09:03 AM
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#20 | | The one and only, Galley!
Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Greenville, South Carolina, United States
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| The battery life on the T|E is pretty poor.
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10-03-2003, 10:01 AM
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#21 | | Remaining in Him
Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Texas
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| Quote: Originally posted by Galley_SimRacer
The battery life on the T|E is pretty poor. |
Do you or someone you know have one? How many times have they let the battery drain to zero and then recharge? I ask only because I was told that sometime you have to discharge and then charge the battery a few times to see the real battery on some PDA's. I was wondering if they experienced this.
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Look, dude... it's my digital Bible and journal all in one neat little package. How cool is that? ... and it looks really cool on my Tungsten E.
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10-03-2003, 03:26 PM
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#22 | | Guest | Re: T|E vs. TJ35 Side-by-Side Comparison
Processor - comparing raw processor speeds makes no sense.
RAM - TJ35 has significantly less available memory than T|E.
Navigation - Sony used to have superior navigation with jog dial/back button. Now Palm has better 5-way navipad.
Memory Expansion - MS is propreitary & useless outside Sony gadgets. SD is definitely a plus.
Expandability - Who wants to spend on overpriced accessories?
PIM Software - Palm has enhanced and revamped the standard PalmOS PIM software. Sony doesn't include any such enhancements.
Cost - $199 for T|E and $250 for TJ35 (with a possible $30 rebate).
Looks - Have seen T|E in person and it looks great. TJ35 in photos looks ugly.
So overall, I probably spent way too much time typing all that up, but the TJ35 has 0 advantage over the T|E. After a very good SJ series Sony are now doing stupid things. | |
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10-03-2003, 03:27 PM
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#23 | | Mustangs and Supras
Join Date: May 2003 Location: Connecticut
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| Oh yeah that guy forgot just ONE thing in the comparison... THE TJ LOOKS SO MUCH BETTER!
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10-03-2003, 03:29 PM
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#24 | | Mustangs and Supras
Join Date: May 2003 Location: Connecticut
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| And the SJ series was horrible, unregistered.
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10-03-2003, 05:06 PM
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#25 | | I walk the line...
Join Date: May 2002 Location: Manhattan
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Well, I had to pass on the Sony. I was all set to preorder a metallic pink TJ35 for my girlfriend's birthday, but alas, the US doesn't get the colored models. She's been bugging me about getting her a PDA for the past several months, and plays with my NX80 whenever she gets the chance. I love her, but I don't love her enough to drop the coin on hooking her up with my NX80/WL100/KB100 set up. Still, I didn't want to get her some crappy OS4 SJ-series device. Initially, I was looking at the Zire 71, but when the Tungsten E and TJ series were announced, I knew my choices had been narrowed down to two. In the end, the only reason I was willing to pay an extra $50 over the TE was due to the case color, which was the only advantage that the TJ series offered - my girlfriend has no brand loyalty, or a significant investment in MS sticks. But, no metallic pink... So, I decided to go with the TE instead. Also, she's in grad school, so Docs2Go (with native MS Word/Excel support) will come in very handy for her. To this end, I also picked up a Palm IR keyboard.
I haven't plugged anything in yet, but overall, for the money I spent, this looks like a nice "starter" set - OS5.2, 28MB of RAM, great hires screen, mp3 player, ARM processor, slim form-factor w/flip cover, excellent software suite, and a pocketable universal keyboard for under $300... Palm is finally getting over the "Yankowski" era and moving on to greener pastures.
All I can say is that Sony had better not choke with the successor to my NX80v...
-Adam
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10-03-2003, 06:51 PM
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#26 | | Registered User
Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Silicon Valley
Posts: 266
| I used the NX80V and SJ connector /USB cable/ charger with the TJ25 and it works just fine.
I can't imagine why it wouldn't work with the cradle for the SJ and TG series. Quote: Originally posted by riversen
This is very interesting indeed. I would like to see if the TJ's works with my current cradle and wire adaptor. Whenever they finally get to the stores, I will have to test this.
My question is similar to yours... if the keyboard is interchangable and the new charger will work with all of them... why not my old cradle? I guess this may be a marketing ploy to get me to buy more stuff. I will have to ask Sony the question again. | | |
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10-03-2003, 09:35 PM
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#27 | | Remaining in Him
Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Texas
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| Quote: Originally posted by pdagal
I used the NX80V and SJ connector /USB cable/ charger with the TJ25 and it works just fine.
I can't imagine why it wouldn't work with the cradle for the SJ and TG series.
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Look at the curve on the cradle for the T665 where the butt of a TG50 or T665 will fit. It is curved and the TJ's have sharp corners. I believe this is the issue. I think this is a very bad marketing ploy to try to get me to buy more accessories. I don't believe the keyboard will work because they probably don't "support" a discontinued product and won't update it like they will with the KB100. Bummer.
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Look, dude... it's my digital Bible and journal all in one neat little package. How cool is that? ... and it looks really cool on my Tungsten E.
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10-03-2003, 10:48 PM
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#28 | | Registered User
Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Silicon Valley
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| I'll have to round up a cradle for one of the older models (we only have an NX cradle, the rest of our Clies only have cables).
Since the KB11 is discontinued, they may not have much interest in new drivers. But it is the same as the Stowaway, yes? So I just tried it with my Fellowes Stowaway for Clie and existing drivers. It works like a charm, including command keys! Quote: Originally posted by riversen
Look at the curve on the cradle for the T665 where the butt of a TG50 or T665 will fit. It is curved and the TJ's have sharp corners. I believe this is the issue. I think this is a very bad marketing ploy to try to get me to buy more accessories. I don't believe the keyboard will work because they probably don't "support" a discontinued product and won't update it like they will with the KB100. Bummer. | | |
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10-04-2003, 12:31 PM
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#29 | | Mobile Device Expert
Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Atlanta
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| The TJ series is about a quarter of an inch wider than the TG50 or the NX series. Therefore it is too wide to fit in their cradles. However, TG50 or the NX series will fit in the cradle designed for the TJ series.
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10-04-2003, 01:43 PM
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#30 | | Remaining in Him
Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Texas
Posts: 827
| But apparently the HotSync USB cable that I bought with my T665 works interchangeably between the TJ35 and all of the other PDA's. I guess I have to see if the KB11 key will work for me. If anyone has the KB11 keyboard and a TJ of some kind, can you see if they work? I would be very curious about this. Since the KB11 works for the TG50, I am guessing that it will work for the TJ35 as well. I just hope the dim screen is not as severe as it appears it might be. I am hoping that it is only dim when compared to the new TT3 and the same as my current T665. That would be fine for me.
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Look, dude... it's my digital Bible and journal all in one neat little package. How cool is that? ... and it looks really cool on my Tungsten E.
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