Athradon

I'm currently a N760 user, and the T|E or the TJ35 are my upgrade choices. I've done a feature comparison to help me decide, here it is:

Processor - The T|E's processor is supposed to be slow at running intensive applications, for example, the Palm Sega Game Pack.
T|E 126MHZ (-)
TJ35 200MHz (+)

RAM - I'm been using 8MB devices for two years, anything above 16 is an improvement. The TJ35's lower amount of usable RAM (5MB) isn't a deal breaker for me.
T|E 32MB/28MB Usable (+)
TJ35 32MB/23MB Usable (+)

Screen - Haven't seen the TJ35's screen, but the T|E's is supposed to be equivalent to the Zire 71's screen.
T|E (+)
TJ35 (Neutral)

Navigation - Sony's navigation advantage over Palm has been it's jog dial/back button combination. I have no idea why they scrapped something that worked so well.
T|E 5-Way (+)
TJ35 Center Jog Dial w/o Back Button (-)

Memory Expansion - Since this is a Clie-oriented site, I'd imagine many people are looking to upgrade from Clie's. I'd rather just keep my 128MB memory stick than spend $70 on a new 256MB SD card. Also, I have a Cybershot camera which uses MS, and the Clie acts as a memory card reader for it.
T|E SD (-)
TJ35 MS Pro (+)

Expandability - Palm always includes one mistake with their devices, and the lack of the UC is the one they included on the T|E. This negates the possibility of a cradle, non-IR keyboards, any other accessories one might want to use. The TJ35 has Sony's standard connector, and a very sleek-looking cradle can be purchased for $30 extra.
T|E No UC (-)
TJ35 Sony Standard Connector (+)

PIM Software - Palm has enhanced and revamped the standard PalmOS PIM software. Sony doesn't include any such enhancements.
T|E (+)
TJ35 (-)

Office Software - Docs To Go 6.0 vs. Picsel Viewer. Sony's viewer isn't a bad thing, but can't compare to Palm's included office suite.
T|E (+)
TJ35 (Neutral)

Case - I have yet to see either device in person, but if the T|E's casing is like the back plastic of the Zire 71, then Sony's plastic/aluminum case easily wins.
T|E (-)
TJ35 (+)

Cost - For an upgrading N760 owner, I'd need to buy a different memory card for the T|E. Also, I would buy a cradle for the T|E but this is impossible because of Palm's screw-up.
T|E $200 + ~$70 256MB SD Card, No Cradle (-)
TJ35 $220 A/R + $30 Cradle, keep using current MS (+)

So overall, I probably spent way too much time typing all that up, but the TJ35 has 6 positives, 2 negatives, and 2 neutral's. The T|E has 5 positives and 5 negatives. I'd still want to see both devices in person, but the TJ35 does look like a better overall device. I still have to see both devices in person, but the TJ35 will probably be my next PDA.

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mdlsimpson

I totally agree! Great comparison

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Defiant79

It looks to me you already made up your mind

You also mentioned you have a Cybershot. That was one of my primary reasons to stick with a Clié when I upgraded. For the hi-res screen it doesn't make a difference between the two, but having a MS-slot and reviewing your pics instantly on a better, larger (physical and resolution) screen (than on your dc) is a big plus.

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riversen

I have a question if you can answer this... is the standard connector able to work with current cradles??? I have 2 cradles and 1 portable wire one for my laptop. I am hoping that I can keep these and use them.

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yr3698

A very nice review indeed. To buy either one, u should checkout various sites in addition to sonystyle, incase of a really good deal, just to be sure. Either way, seems like u r a winner

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riversen

I don't mean to answer my own question, but there is NO reverse compatibility of the TJ35 and TJ25 to any of the older parts of the T665 or any other PDA. This is a big, big minus that I do not like. Now, I will have to buy all new accessories and, of course, a new memory stick to take advantage of the MS Pro. Now, to upgrade is definitely more expensive... A DEAL BREAKER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Athradon

Where did you hear that? The connector is supposed to be the same standard Sony connector used since the original T-series.

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riversen

Directly from Sony!!! I have an email that I ask support about. Here it is:


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Response (Daniel) - 10/02/2003 09:48 AM
Thank you for contacting Sony Style with your inquiries about the TJ35 CLIE.

We are glad to know that you are interested in our TJ35 CLIE.

The accessory supplied with the TJ35 CLIE includes a USB HotSync Cable with which you can sync your data anywhere without the need of the cradle. It also includes an AC Adapter, which will enable you to charge your CLIE without using the cradle.

The cradle that comes with T665 CLIE is not compatible with the TJ35 CLIE. Your PEG-KB11 keyboard as well as the adapter will not work with the TJ35 CLIE.
The URL where you can view the list of accessories compatible with the PEG-TJ35 is

http://www.sonystyle.com/is-bin/INT...tem%2fsy_item_c

You can check if any of the accessories which you have are listed above.

The new PEG-TJ35 CLIÉ offers you a wide range of features. You can listen to your favorite tunes on the road with the integrated MP3 audio player and optional Memory Stick PRO media. You will be able to view native Microsoft® Word, Excel and PowerPoint documents, or PDF and HTML files with the Picsel Viewer software. The high-resolution color display produces over 65,000 colors and shows your documents and pictures in full detail and color with amazing clarity.

To have an insight into our TJ35 CLIE, please visit the following link.

http://www.sonystyle.com/is-bin/INT...J35%2fU&Dept=hp

We have exciting promotions and financing options for this model.

For further information about the financing option, please click on the “financing details” in the above page.

To have a look into the promotions, please click on “Great Deals” located at the left hand side in the above page.

Please feel free to contact us with further inquiries you might have.

Customer (****** ********) - 10/01/2003 07:34 AM
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Issue :
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Message : I am really, really excited about your new TJ35. I want to buy one, but I have so many accessories for my T665 that I am really hoping will work on my TJ35. Do the cradles for the T665 work for the TJ35 and does the older keyboard, PEG-KB11, work for the TJ35??? I also have an extra cable adaptor that I use for my laptop. Please, please let me know if this will work (or will work and when if they will at some point).


Question #031001-000205
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Date Created: 10/01/2003 07:34 AM
Last Updated: 10/02/2003 09:48 AM
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dúnadan

I think you need to make a couple changes here:


TJ35 should have gotten a neutral. You may not need that much memory now, but I have found that the more one has, the
more one uses. I've almost filled my T|C's 64MB, which I never thought was going to happen. Regardless, 5MB is significant and ought to be considered.



Both of the above should get neutrals. The connector on the T|E doesn't cripple it; it just isn't a bonus. Similarly, as pointed out above, since the TJ35 doesn't work with T-series accessories, it shouls also get a neutral. Palm has a better track record of available accessories in the past regardless.



I think your amended list should therefore be as follows:
TJ35: 4 positives, 2 negatives, and 4 neutrals
T|E: 5 positives, 4 negatives, and a neutral

I also think that PalmOne is more likely to provide free upgrades to OS6 than Sony. Remember how Sony charged for the N710 upgrade to OS 4.1?

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riversen

Excellent points. I think this makes the playing field much more neutral. Now, the question becomes should I get the TT3 (the screen seems to have this shadow thing going when you tap and drap with a hard press like a flat panel screen), TT2 (great price with great RAM and BT, but my wife would know that I bought a new PDA... that is why I was hoping the TJ35 would work!!!), UX50 (too, too expensive for me... I cannot afford $699), UX80V (cannot afford this one either), TG50 (great price, but I personally don't like the keyboard), or just keep my T665 till something better comes out.

Now I am really bummed! Any suggestions?

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dúnadan

Also, for anyone who isn't already invested in memory sticks, memory expansion becomes neutral:neutral, and cost becomes essentially neutral:neutral, which combined with the changes I listed above leaves us with:

TJ35: 2 positives, 2 negatives, and 6 neutrals
T|E: 5 positives, 2 negatives, and 3 neutrals

However all of this is premature. There may be significant differences in battery life, etc.

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riversen

From what I have heard and from Sony's own website... it appears that there is not extra advantage to either PDA, so I would give battery life a neutral for both of these. There were absolutely no improvement of the TJ35 from T665 (10 days with a 1/2 hour a day and no back light). I have heard the T/E is not outstanding either. I guess this may also be premature, too.

By the way.... this is post 500!!!!

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andrewcoffin

Something doesn't quite mesh here. Sony CLAIMS that the TJ series is not compatible with older accessories, yet the accessories listed on the sonystyle website for the TJ series include the KB100 keyboard, which is listed as compatible with almost every Clie released recently, including the T-series:

"Compatible with: PEG-NX80V / PEG-NX73V / PEG-NX70V / PEG-NX60 / PEG-NR70V / PEG-NR70 / PEG-TG50 / PEG-T665 / PEG-T615C / PEG-T415 / PEG-SJ33 / PEG-SJ30 / PEG-SJ22 / PEG-SJ20 / PEG-SL10"

The new TJ cradle is also compatible, according to its description, with older devices, including the SJ33 and TG50. Don't these two devices use the same connector as the T-series? I was under the impression that all recent Clies were using some variation of the connector that was first developed for the T-series.

There may be some new quirk to the power requirements of the TJ series that is not compatible with older cables, but it looks to me like most accessories should still be compatible.

Sony support may be wrong--this wouldn't be the first time. Or maybe I'm missing something. Can anyone else shed light on this?

riversen

This is very interesting indeed. I would like to see if the TJ's works with my current cradle and wire adaptor. Whenever they finally get to the stores, I will have to test this.

My question is similar to yours... if the keyboard is interchangable and the new charger will work with all of them... why not my old cradle? I guess this may be a marketing ploy to get me to buy more stuff. I will have to ask Sony the question again.

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Look, dude... it's my digital Bible and journal all in one neat little package. How cool is that? ... and it looks really cool on my Tungsten E.