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08-10-2003, 11:08 AM
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#1 | | Junior Member
Join Date: Aug 2003
Posts: 14
 | Odd problem using netfront.
I posted this on the nx80v boards, and people were very helpful, but figured it might be better to post here.
I've set up a wireless network connecting my desktop and laptop computers. I tried to connect my handheld to it, and ran into problems. Ended up having to enter the ip address, subnet mask, and primary dns values manually. The handheld connects to the network and the handheld's MAC address is shown on the network status page. I can ping other computers on the network from the handheld.
I can now hotsync using the wifi network & have done so. However, i can't use NetFront to access web pages. What makes it really weird is that I can enter the ip addresses of web pages, and NetFront will load them: I entered 66.218.71.198 and got yahoo.com 's 404 page, but when i entered "www.yahoo.com" or any text URL I get an "invalid network settings" message and cannot browse.
Any ideas how to fix this? What might be causing the problem? I can browse fine via my laptop, also connected wirelessly to the same network. | 
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08-10-2003, 12:48 PM
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#2 | | Registered User
Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Germany
Posts: 51
| Hi,
I had exactly the same problem, after a hardreset (with new installation) i never got this message later.
best way you make a ms backup and try it with a naked clie.
hope could help you | |
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08-10-2003, 02:38 PM
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#3 | | I am Jack's wasted life
Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: NYC
Posts: 281
| Definitely sounds like a DNS problem. All the other networking setting seem right or you wouldn't be able to get the Yahoo page. I'd double-check the DNS entries you made to the Clie just in case. I'd also check to see if there is a firmware upgrade for your router/AP. I have a Linksys that was giving me tons of problems until I upgraded to the newest version. | |
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08-10-2003, 02:59 PM
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#4 | | Registered User
Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Naples, Florida
Posts: 133
| I had that problem with my office router. Use valid DNS addresses and make sure the ones in the router and on the PDA match. At home, I can use "auto" settings, but at the office I have to specify settings.
If you are using a Windows machine, goto a DOS prompt window and type the command "ipconfig". It will display the current DNS settings. Copy those to your PDA network settings. | |
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08-10-2003, 03:17 PM
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#5 | | Junior Member
Join Date: Aug 2003
Posts: 14
| Quote: Originally posted by okmozart
I had that problem with my office router. Use valid DNS addresses and make sure the ones in the router and on the PDA match. At home, I can use "auto" settings, but at the office I have to specify settings.
If you are using a Windows machine, goto a DOS prompt window and type the command "ipconfig". It will display the current DNS settings. Copy those to your PDA network settings. |
yup, that's what I tried to do & how I got this far. Here's what I got, from the desktop: Quote:
C:\>ipconfig /all
Windows 2000 IP Configuration
Host Name . . . . . . . . . . . . : thornwel-3js90a
Primary DNS Suffix . . . . . . . :
Node Type . . . . . . . . . . . . : Broadcast
IP Routing Enabled. . . . . . . . : No
WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . . . . : No
DNS Suffix Search List. . . . . . : launchmodem.com
Ethernet adapter HOME:
Connection-specific DNS Suffix . : launchmodem.com
Description . . . . . . . . . . . : NETGEAR FA311/FA312 PCI Adapter
Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-09-5B-1F-5B-BA
DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : Yes
Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes
IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.2.2
Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0
Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.2.1
DHCP Server . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.2.1
DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.2.1
Lease Obtained. . . . . . . . . . : Saturday, August 09, 2003 1:26:26 PM
Lease Expires . . . . . . . . . . : Tuesday, August 12, 2003 1:26:26 PM
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I also went to the device status page for my router, and got this: Quote:
WAN Ethernet
Cable/xDSL: Active
WAN IP address:
192.168.1.2
DNS Server:
192.168.1.254
Gateway IP :
192.168.1.254
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Currently I have 192.168.2.1 entered as the handheld's Primary DNS, with secondary DNS blank. | |
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08-10-2003, 03:53 PM
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#6 | | I am Jack's wasted life
Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: NYC
Posts: 281
| Wow. That's a pretty odd setup. Your DNS on the Windows machine is pointing directly to the router and it's pointing off to another server in a non-routable network. The only thing I can suggest is to try the IP the router is using for DNS or see if your ISP has other DNS servers available. If the Windows station works with those settings, I'd suspect something is wrong with networking software on the Clie. I guess try uninstalling/reinstalling the driver or possibly, as gnassel said, try backing up, hard resetting and installing the newest WiFi driver from an MS. | |
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08-10-2003, 04:33 PM
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#7 | | Junior Member
Join Date: Aug 2003
Posts: 14
| Hrm. I tried to find out if I had the newest WiFi driver but I couldn't find it on sony's website. I've got the pega-wl110 card, on an nx80v clie. Any pointers to the right driver and/or networking software? | |
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08-10-2003, 05:04 PM
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#8 | | I am Jack's wasted life
Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: NYC
Posts: 281
| Hmmmm. I didn't realize you had an NX80. IIRC, the latest driver is already on your Clie in ROM, so the driver is probably not corrupt. Scratch the driver reinstall. You've got it already.
Just out of curiosity, what model router and AP are you using? | |
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08-10-2003, 05:28 PM
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#9 | | Junior Member
Join Date: Aug 2003
Posts: 14
| Dell wireless truemobile 1184, came with dell laptop -- just got it all this weekend. Connected to a bellsouth DSL connection on a westell wirespeed modem, via ethernet cables. Ethernet card in the desktop is something random from best buy, laptop has a dell truemobile 1400 something something min-pci wireless card in it. | |
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08-10-2003, 05:39 PM
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#10 | | Registered User
Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Naples, Florida
Posts: 133
| This is a wild guess, but is the modem setup to act as a router? There may be a BIG conflict if the modem AND the router are acting as routers (been there done that - not pretty). That may explain the strange DNS numbers. Also, some routers have additional security on the wireless ports that may have to be addressed.
When you use the NetMon silk that is on the NX80 CD, do the network config numbers match the desktop? | |
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08-10-2003, 06:01 PM
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#11 | | Guest | hrm. not sure. haven't tried using netmon silk at all.
This is what i get from the laptop, which is connected wirelessly to same router: Quote:
Windows IP Configuration
Host Name . . . . . . . . . . . . : laptop
Primary Dns Suffix . . . . . . . :
Node Type . . . . . . . . . . . . : Hybrid
IP Routing Enabled. . . . . . . . : No
WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . . . . : No
Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection:
Media State . . . . . . . . . . . : Media disconnected
Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Broadcom 440x 10/100 Integrated Con
roller
Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-0B-DB-9E-18-18
Ethernet adapter Wireless Network Connection:
Connection-specific DNS Suffix . : launchmodem.com
Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Dell TrueMobile 1400 Dual Band WLAN
Mini-PCI Card
Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-90-4B-27-AF-1A
Dhcp Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : Yes
Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes
IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.2.3
Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0
Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.2.1
DHCP Server . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.2.1
DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.2.1
Lease Obtained. . . . . . . . . . : Sunday, August 10, 2003 5:48:58 PM
Lease Expires . . . . . . . . . . : Wednesday, August 13, 2003 5:48:58
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08-10-2003, 08:33 PM
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#12 | | I am Jack's wasted life
Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: NYC
Posts: 281
| Ouch. Seems like you're doing more routing than you need to. The Westell seems to be set up to do NAT and you've got the Dell in front of it doing NAT. It would seem to me that the whole setup might work more efficiently if you just used the Dell as an AP and disabled routing on it. Unless you're doing firewalling, it's uneccessary to have an additional subnet. My guess is that you could just put the Dell's intenal NIC on the 192.168.1.0 subnet. Just make sure that the internal NIC gets a valid address on that network and that only one router is doing DHCP on the internal NIC. Making sure that the WAN NIC isn't on the 192.168.1.0 subnet is also a smart idea. Hopefully the Westell already seems to be doing DHCP, so you should be able to get DHCP working correctly on the Clie.
YMMV, of course.  | |
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08-10-2003, 08:43 PM
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#13 | | Junior Member
Join Date: Aug 2003
Posts: 14
| Quote: Originally posted by Drachen
Ouch. Seems like you're doing more routing than you need to. The Westell seems to be set up to do NAT and you've got the Dell in front of it doing NAT. It would seem to me that the whole setup might work more efficiently if you just used the Dell as an AP and disabled routing on it. Unless you're doing firewalling, it's uneccessary to have an additional subnet. My guess is that you could just put the Dell's intenal NIC on the 192.168.1.0 subnet. Just make sure that the internal NIC gets a valid address on that network and that only one router is doing DHCP on the internal NIC. Making sure that the WAN NIC isn't on the 192.168.1.0 subnet is also a smart idea. Hopefully the Westell already seems to be doing DHCP, so you should be able to get DHCP working correctly on the Clie.
YMMV, of course. |
Heh, yah lost me ( I don't know what NAT and WAN NIC are, for example :P) What you're saying is, I somehow have two routers going? That would figure. I wonder how on earth I managed to set up the westell to do that :P
*digs out his documentation and pile of old driver cd's*
Last edited by calenth : 08-10-2003 at 08:50 PM.
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08-10-2003, 09:10 PM
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#14 | | Senior Member
Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: San Diego
Posts: 932
| It seems that the gateway and dns for his router is wrong...
So what is the network:
cable modem > router/ap > laptop/pda ?
Please identify the make and model of the modem and the router...
If 192.168.1.254 is the ip address of your cable modem (or dsl modem) than things are probably ok, but not really optimal..
I have a linksys router, and 2 linksys access points hooked to it, and a windows 2000 server. the server is the dns server and dhcp server. The linksys router is the gateway. All devices including my pda use dhcp, and automatically get the dns addresses... makes it simple.
If you have to enter dns addresses manually, you could set it up better. Normally, if you do not have a REAL server, the router serves up ip addresses and dns addresses to hard wired devices, and to the access points, which then give them to the wireless units...
if your router is not set up right, then it does not inherit the dns addresses, and cannot pass them on to your devices...
Send more info, and we can solve your problem.
Greg | |
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08-10-2003, 09:27 PM
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#15 | | Junior Member
Join Date: Aug 2003
Posts: 14
| Modem is a westell wirespeed model a90-210030-04. I just went on the web and found the page for that device here, I think.
router is a dell truemobile 1184 wireless broadband router, model WX-6215D.
They're connected laptop(wireless) & desktop(ethernet cable) & pda (wireless) into --> wireless router into --> modem --> dsl out to the marvelous world of the internet.
I'm still trying to figure out the address of the modem. After reading Drachen's post above & the wirespeed's page (it didn't even occur to me that the wirespeed could also be functioning as a router until reading this thread. As soon as I finish transfering some files to the laptop I'll try turning off DHCP on the wireless router & see if that helps.
Again, thanks much for your help, everyone, and for helping me slog through this all. At least I'm learning something :P If there's any other information I can post, just tell me how to find it out and I will (ipconfig /all was about the limit of my powers; figuring out how to ping on the handheld was a titanic battle of will with fate). | |
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