1src Forums - UX will be a mistake.

07-21-2003, 12:23 AM	#1
Deep blue Sky Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: Hong Kong Posts: 48	UX will be a mistake. I know this will make a lot of fans unhappy but the truth is that the latest Clie offer is no longer a palm, but more like a palm top computer. Despite all the request for a T series with VG, they came out with a palm top that makes the user rely on both hands to type. The ease of use and the "take it out, jog a note like it is a piece of paper" thing is gone. If you take that price together then it is way too expensive. I admire the feature set and the specs but for such a design I have nothing to say except to disagree. On ther other hand it seems that the rumored T3 got a VG with a thin form factor. Even though I hate the sliding design at least someone is listening to what people really want. When will Sony listen?

07-21-2003, 12:57 AM	#2
lostether Registered User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Washington Posts: 701	This is just one model in an extensive line of Clie's and although it isn't for me I can definitely see a market for it. It is a palm top computer, and is about at the point where there is little reason to lug a laptop around with you anymore. If instead of picsel viewer is came with an office suite that can not only view but create and edit native windows office files, it would be there.

07-21-2003, 02:57 AM

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Re: UX will be a mistake.

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Originally posted by Deep blue Sky
I know this will make a lot of fans unhappy but the truth is that the latest Clie offer is no longer a palm, but more like a palm top computer.

Ok, so its a Palm top, and not a Palm. Now help me understand, because i'm a bit confused.... Why should this make me "unhappy"? Did Sony corner me at gunpoint and say, "Buy the ux50 or else?"

07-21-2003, 03:55 AM	#4
Unregistered Guest Posts: n/a	as usual, the point is missed

07-21-2003, 04:03 AM	#5
falafel soon to be TT3 user... Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Austin Posts: 142	as usual, the unregistered user posts an esoteric, ambiguous comment __________________ falafel's creed - your brain's internal memory will decrease in direct proportion to the increase in your pda's RAM.

07-21-2003, 04:11 AM	#6
Brokken ... still learning Join Date: May 2003 Location: San Jose Posts: 184	Sony is not making anyone buy it at gunpoint - as Falafel correctly points out - but I do believe that Sony is getting away from the original philosophy of the Palm device. Stating opinion is what the forum is all about. Everyone gets a say.

07-21-2003, 04:17 AM

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Re: Re: UX will be a mistake.

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Originally posted by falafel

Ok, so its a Palm top, and not a Palm. Now help me understand, because i'm a bit confused.... Why should this make me "unhappy"? Did Sony corner me at gunpoint and say, "Buy the ux50 or else?"

If you are a fan then by definition (fanatics) you would like whatever Sony CLIE comes out with. Ordinary CLIE users would be quite skeptical about this because it doesn't fit into the original idea of a PDA and moving closer towards a computer. The beauty of the Palm software is that it can be thought of as a notepad but with a wide range of capabilities. The fans would think that we are crazy for not loving the device ('unhappy')

I personally don't need to be held at gunpoint to be unhappy about certain things. If you don't feel unhappy about my comments regarding the UX that's just means that you are not a fan, that' all.

07-21-2003, 04:26 AM	#8
Joel 1src Co-Founder Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Guam Posts: 4,517	I'm a fanatic. But I don't see non-fanatics as crazy for not loving the UX Simply put, if a person does not like the UX then it's because the device is not targetted at that person. There are so many choices for PDA's now. Sony just added something into the mix. So now, it's up to us to choose what PDA suits our needs. I have an NX70V and I'm still in love with it (the CF card support sorta gave it a second life). Come to think of it, I have no use for the UX because we don't have WiFi hotspots here in Guam. The UX is nice but it's simply not for me.

07-21-2003, 06:10 AM	#9
Unregistered Guest Posts: n/a	I like the the UX's form factor. Since I had retired, my needs have changed. I find that the desktop model preferable now.

07-21-2003, 06:14 AM

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Originally posted by Unregistered
I like the the UX's form factor. Since I had retired, my needs have changed. I find that the desktop model preferable now.

Hmm, I am getting logged out more frequently now??

I think what many are upset about is that Sony didn't come out with what they wanted instead.

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07-21-2003, 06:35 AM	#11
Orincarnia thats me an heidi Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: San Antonio Posts: 1,973	interesting, i'm being ripped and torn between wanting it cause it looks cool and its different, and not wanting it cause it has that big border to the screen, last time i got the first generation of something it had bugs and i was allergic to it --metaphorically-- (i kept dropping the phone) how long till they release the next of it? i'm starting college and i'd like to stop changing laptops every year cause of speed and have one device that'll last me 4 years........will this device be it? __________________ dyslexics of the world UNTIE

07-21-2003, 07:35 AM	#12
Joel 1src Co-Founder Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Guam Posts: 4,517	Orincarnia, for me, your NX70V, A460, and R505 is a way cool combination of tools for college!

07-21-2003, 08:05 AM	#13
archangel Next Sunday A.D. Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: San Antonio Posts: 840	Its not going to be a mistake in Japan which is the main market for the Clie. __________________ My Current Gadgets: 16GB iPod Touch, PSP 2000, Nintendo DS Lite

07-21-2003, 09:09 AM

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Originally posted by archangel
Its not going to be a mistake in Japan which is the main market for the Clie.

Clie may hold the number one market share in Japan, but wouldn't the US be the main market? PDAs are much more prevelant here - in Japan everyone does it all with their cell phones.

07-21-2003, 09:51 AM	#15
Jezlyn Registered User Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 86	The thing with Sony is that they were never going for the "Palm Zen" philosophy. Otherwise, they wouldn't be marketing their devices as personal entertainment organizers (or whatever their exact phrase was). Palm gears its devices more toward executive users and those users more interested in functionality and simple elements. Sony doesn't do simple. Even their low-end devices have entertainment elements built into their design. Sony's philosophy is to amaze their customers with the wow factor, joy and wonder (hey, it's not me who picked the wording, this is from their execs and CEO). I have this book on the founding of Sony (haven't finished it yet) and it describes how the founders were excited about all sorts of different toys and gadgets and wanted to build that type of "fun-ness" into their products (I'm not describing it as eloquently as the book does). Combine that "fun" philosophy along with the ever-changing, fickle Japanese market, and you can see why Sony makes the products they do. They like experimentation, whereas Palm likes to go with the tried and true. Yes, Palm is starting to innovate a little bit with their products now, but they're never going to make a "wild and crazy" device like Sony does. Sony is always going to put their Japanese market first; that's just the way they operate.