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Old 06-28-2003, 04:45 PM   #1
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Post Exchange your old TG50 for a brand new one - FREE

Hi there,

Well, after several days of unsuccessful search for a flash-rom equipped TG50, I have decided to offer a deal for those of you who have an earlier TG50 with Flash ROM, but do not need it or do not want to mess up with it.

Here is a deal:

I will exchange my brand new shiny TG50 for an older version that has a Flash ROM. I don't really care if your TG50 has scratches or other signs of use as long as it is 100% usable and in decent condition.

My TG50 is 3-days old, I haven't started using it yet, it is still in that yellow plastic bag, you can even smell the brand. :) Of course, it comes with full USA warranty.

For those of you who don't need a flash rom, but think that a flash-rom equipped device is better than a MASK-rom one, here are several reasons to think about my offer:

1. A huge part of PalmOS5 is located in ROM. Mask rom is much faster than flash rom, so newer mask-rom TG50-s may be even slightly faster that old flash-rom devices.

2. There is no way to write in mask-rom. This means that whatever you run on your PDA, there is NO chance to mess it up, a hard reset will always fix it. As for the flash-ROM PDAs, there is a chance that a malfunctioning application destroys the flash, and the device becomes absolutely non-functional. THIS WAS ONE OF THE REASONS for Sony to replace flash rom with mask rom in newer TG50 devices.

3. I received a statement from sony that says that ALTERING OR MODIFYING ROM CONTENT on TG50 device VOIDS YOUR warranty.

4. You may say that it is possible to upgrade the OS in flash rom devices. Well, Sony confirmed that they will not provide any major OS updates for TG50.

I personally need a flash rom, because I am a hardware geek, and I actually want to be able to modify it.

If serial number of your TG50 starts with 300 or 301, it is likely (but not necessarily) that you have a flash-rom equipped device.

You can check if your device has a flash rom by downloading and installing the following utility:
http://www.brayder.com/downloads/Ja...Light_3_0b7.zip

If interested, write me at sdse@earthlink.net

I am located in Burbank, CA.
You have to be somewhere in Los Angeles/San Fernando Valley area, and be able to meet in person.

Thanks,
Max.
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Old 06-28-2003, 05:11 PM   #2
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Okay...wtf. Almost all your points were speculation!

My name is also max...

"1. A huge part of PalmOS5 is located in ROM. Mask rom is much faster than flash rom, so newer mask-rom TG50-s may be even slightly faster that old flash-rom devices."

Speculation.

" 2. There is no way to write in mask-rom. This means that whatever you run on your PDA, there is NO chance to mess it up, a hard reset will always fix it. As for the flash-ROM PDAs, there is a chance that a malfunctioning application destroys the flash, and the device becomes absolutely non-functional. THIS WAS ONE OF THE REASONS for Sony to replace flash rom with mask rom in newer TG50 devices. "

Speculation.

"3. I received a statement from sony that says that ALTERING OR MODIFYING ROM CONTENT on TG50 device VOIDS YOUR warranty."

Lets see it! I think that is just speculation.

"4. You may say that it is possible to upgrade the OS in flash rom devices. Well, Sony confirmed that they will not provide any major OS updates for TG50."

When did they confirm that? I think that was just speculation.

I think you are just speculating.
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Old 06-28-2003, 05:33 PM   #3
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I would consider this, even tho I don't understand what you are talking about -too technical. What about the warranttee on the new Sony?
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Old 06-28-2003, 06:19 PM   #4
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My name is also Max!

er, no, actually, it's Sean...

But you know what I was thinking, S-N-M, is that this guy is so willing to frighten users with how "bad" it is to manipulate flash, but what's he gonna do? Tap the flash in the TG that he gets!

Can't blame ya though, that extra 3.5 megs is nice.
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Old 06-28-2003, 07:26 PM   #5
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Yep...how much is actually there? Could I delete everything except applications and have a tasty 15MB rom treat?
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Old 06-28-2003, 08:02 PM   #6
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You can only use the extra flash rom - there is no way to delete stuff from the flash rom. There is an extra 3.5 MB available for use.
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Old 06-28-2003, 08:04 PM   #7
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Need JackSprat for dat!
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Old 06-28-2003, 09:21 PM   #8
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Is the 3.5megs really worth the $20 for jack flash?
I mean, if you consider 256meg card is only about $130. If zlauncher can run everything from memory card... whats the big deal with the extra 3megs?

(please explain... I just got my TG50 this afternoon)
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Old 06-28-2003, 10:01 PM   #9
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Netfront and many old (old!) apps need to be run either from the RAM or the flash-ROM. Since there is 3.5MB of free flash-ROM space...you can have a 15MB memory heap! (you MUST allow 1MB for all those patches and little files, they always appear).

Oh I'd kill for such a clean unit...no apps in RAM...
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Old 06-29-2003, 03:35 AM   #10
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the offer is tempting....


me questions if i actually need the extra Flash Rom...
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Old 06-30-2003, 01:30 PM   #11
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snm:
I would suggest you to avoid posting comments on technical subjects that you are not familiar with.

Sneezy:
I don't need those extra 3.5M. I need a flashable ROM that I will be able to edit. Without using crapy tools from brayder, by the way. And the first thing I would do is get rid of that index.swf sony logo. Also, it is possible to run everything from memorystick using PowerRun, for example.

All Others: *** THE OFFER IS STILL OPEN ***

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Old 06-30-2003, 06:08 PM   #12
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I would suggest you to avoid posting comments on technical subjects that you are not familiar with.


I would suggest you stop trying to trick people into thinking that mask rom is better than flash rom!

You pig!
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Tell me how to check my flash and I will exchange with you.

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Old 06-30-2003, 06:29 PM   #14
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snm:
Man, you are annoing.
I did not say mask rom is better. I said it is faster, cheaper, and more reliable, since you can't write there.

SRK:
If the serial number of your TG50 starts with 300 or 301, there is a chance that you have a flash ROM. Download JackFlash utility (see link at the end), hotsync it to your TG50 and run.
If will either show you the amount of free flash memory, it should be around 3600kB, or pop up a message, and say that flash is N/A.

Thanks,
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Here is a link:
http://www.brayder.com/downloads/Ja...Light_3_0b7.zip
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Old 06-30-2003, 07:27 PM   #15
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Alright, I can understand the request to exchange your Clie with someone else because you want the Flash ROM and somebody else doesn't, but this isn't exactly the right way to go about it. Telling people masked ROM is more useful because it is faster doesn't have much merit. Any chance you have a benchmark or proof? I've never heard of such a thing, ever. ROM is ROM. Masked is much cheaper, and if anything, the Flash ROM would be faster.

Here is my opinion:

>>1. A huge part of PalmOS5 is located in ROM. Mask rom is much faster than flash rom, so newer mask-rom TG50-s may be even slightly faster that old flash-rom devices.

I've never heard anything that says this is true. If you know this for a fact, please provide any proof. Otherwise, you're just scamming someone.

>>2. There is no way to write in mask-rom. This means that whatever you run on your PDA, there is NO chance to mess it up, a hard reset will always fix it. As for the flash-ROM PDAs, there is a chance that a malfunctioning application destroys the flash, and the device becomes absolutely non-functional. THIS WAS ONE OF THE REASONS for Sony to replace flash rom with mask rom in newer TG50 devices.

If you're dumb enough not to know what to put in ROM and what not to, you don't deserve a PDA. I'd like to say I'm joking, but if you're that careless as to put important application databases and orphaned files in ROM, you're getting what's coming to you. And you need JackFlash to even touch your ROM. If you're afraid of screwing it up, then don't mess with it. Now that's not so hard, huh?

>>3. I received a statement from sony that says that ALTERING OR MODIFYING ROM CONTENT on TG50 device VOIDS YOUR warranty.

Altering or modifying ROM content. You can't do that on OS 5 Clies, sorry. Everything that was originally there stays intact. JackFlash shouldn't void your warranty, but JackSprat would. But JackSprat doesn't work on OS 5 Clies, like I said.

>>4. You may say that it is possible to upgrade the OS in flash rom devices. Well, Sony confirmed that they will not provide any major OS updates for TG50.

I never heard any official word on this, even though I believe myself they won't issue an upgrade. Still, you never know.

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Again, sorry, JackSprat does not work on OS 5 Clies. Sony made sure of this.

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Is the 3.5megs really worth the $20 for jack flash?
I mean, if you consider 256meg card is only about $130. If zlauncher can run everything from memory card... whats the big deal with the extra 3megs?

(please explain... I just got my TG50 this afternoon)


The main thing is that ROM application execution speeds will be faster than from the card. You are not withheld by the bottleneck of the slot. With JackFlash, you can put NetFront in ROM. You can use PowerRun to put NetFront on the card, but when you execute the application, it copies it into RAM. If it's in ROM to begin with, it executes from there. So for this, you don't need 4 MB free before you execute the app from PowerRun.

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Oh I'd kill for such a clean unit...no apps in RAM...


Hard reset and clean up your backup folder on the desktop. Done.

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I don't need those extra 3.5M. I need a flashable ROM that I will be able to edit. Without using crapy tools from brayder, by the way. And the first thing I would do is get rid of that index.swf sony logo. Also, it is possible to run everything from memorystick using PowerRun, for example.


Whoa, wait a second. I think your entire idea of this Flash ROM is off balance. JackSprat does not work on OS 5 Clies. About Index.swf, do you know how large the file is? Take a guess, come on. 64k. It's not like you're going to free up God knows how much ROM space. You're going to only have 3.5 MB for applicaton storage no matter how much you cut it. You can't touch the other contents in ROM. Don't think you can stuff Linux in this thing without cracking Sony's code.

Above all this, I think your idea is a fair trade. A new Clie without Flash for an older Clie with Flash. Both parties get what they want. But I think the way you are going about this by bringing up uncertain statements is the wrong way.
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