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Old 05-29-2009, 01:23 AM   #16
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+1. very interested. just bought a second hand lifedrive and would be hyped to run dgos on it.
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Old 05-29-2009, 01:57 AM   #17
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@harpgliss: I dont know what it will do or have! That's the beauty of the project! When was the last time someone asked YOU what YOU want in an OS? So here you have it, post ideas, suggestions, concept art if you want, whatever.


So far my ideas are:
  • multitasking
  • ability to launch a few "instances" of palmos, each running a palmos app, and hopefully sharing the same files
  • Native app development for developers who want it, with bonuses in speed and abilities
  • Support for new device that PalmOS does not natively support
  • ...your ideas
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Old 05-29-2009, 03:14 AM   #18
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@harpgliss: I dont know what it will do or have! That's the beauty of the project! When was the last time someone asked YOU what YOU want in an OS? So here you have it, post ideas, suggestions, concept art if you want, whatever.


So far my ideas are:
  • multitasking
  • ability to launch a few "instances" of palmos, each running a palmos app, and hopefully sharing the same files
  • Native app development for developers who want it, with bonuses in speed and abilities
  • Support for new device that PalmOS does not natively support
  • ...your ideas


Well here is what I was thinking of Multi-Tasking (image attached). When the Home button is pressed an overview with screenshots of running apps as well as system info is shown. Pressing each of the screenshots will bring the user back to that program (Maybe have an X at the corner of each to force a close). Pressing at the top left information panel will bring the person back to the launcher. The OS should limit applications to 3 to prevent to many resources going out the window and keeping things simply. Just my idea though

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Old 05-29-2009, 03:41 AM   #19
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I have Lifedrive(flash) and Centro. I'd be interested.
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Old 05-29-2009, 09:35 AM   #20
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As a faithful Grinberg App user, I look forward to the possibilities of DGOS and Lifedrive Unleashed! From what I've read from Dimitry and others, the Lifedrive has a lot of potential that was simply hamstrungto make it compatible with Garnet. I think multitasking would be a plus. I believe that the best Palm handheld ever made could only be made better with a newer OS. Compatiblity with Palm apps is a must, but to have each app in its own "kernel" so to speak, and be able to switch between them . . . I'm curious what functionalities would you build into DGOS or are even possible with a new OS that would call for new apps to utilize them? As far as the Lifedrive is concerned, are we talking about just keeping up with Windows here, or Mac (i.e., opensource apps that can read the latest Office file format, or movie format) or would these apps make the Lifedrive be able to function on her own apart from a PC (with her own printer support, wordprocessor, spreadsheet, office suite, External HD support, network access, etc.)?
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Old 05-29-2009, 10:03 AM   #21
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Dgos

I'm very interested in DGOS!
I still use my LifeFlash, but the PalmOs is becoming aged for my needs (and I'm not so sure to switch to a Pre...).

@dmitrygr: please keep us updated on DGOS blog!

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Old 05-29-2009, 11:05 AM   #22
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What about bt and wifi drivers? If it were as with Linux port on LD, I would stay with palmos on my LD for another year or two until it dies
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Old 05-29-2009, 11:15 AM   #23
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Hehe, owning LD you own a license to palmos, including its drivers. i plan to make DGOS able to us epalm drivers, so that will not be an issue when I get to it
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Old 05-29-2009, 01:11 PM   #24
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Why don't you make your own hardware Dmitry? I am sure people will buy from you if you are able to produce a standard PDA with your OS.


I'm sure many people would love to have something as innovative as this. Count me in for a more stable, homegrown custom PDA with no more fragmented DB Cache.
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Old 05-29-2009, 03:43 PM   #25
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Dmitry, will DBCache still be necessary??? Please say "no". I got my Flushing working well and used your LD ROM to really free up space and stabalize my LD.

Also, a slick Launcher interface maybe combining SkinUI components (including sound)?

The one thing for sure in addition to multi-tasking is increasing the speed. I use your WarpSpeed (which is also great for getting rid of the squeal problem (thanks)), but it makes the LD unstable at times. I hope DGOS does a good job with handling system resources. Things are slowing down on my LD a little.

How about LD maintenance tools? (Kind of a like Windows Defrag, Chkdsk, Clean Tempfile, compact free space... etc.)??
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Definately a:
1.Large dbcache.
2. stable browser support.
3. native hard button mapping support ( shouldn't need 3rd Party app).
4. native custom icon support. with app overlay removal.
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I think we need obviously a DBcache as the real Ram of the LD is not enough to run everything but we need better management of this cache.
We need a smaller Rom to get the DBCache as max (maybe 24megs........)
Multitasking is a must but should be implement wisely as that will consume a lot of speed & Real Ram (DBCache)
The battery life is important too!
I hope the main DGOS launcher will be simple but with more features than the Palm one.Maybe possibility to have the small icons like Clies.
A like Clies organizer would be interesting.

I have another point:can the list that shows the last application (Holding home button)be longer (10-15) and add favorites on it.
of course a better button handling with more possibilities (Holding for x seconds etc)
A better & simpler security like pattern or digipad or keystroke
Maybe macros handling inserted in the OS to handle keystroke and pen swiping and all the hardware related stuff (BT, WIFI, Brightness, power management)

Just some ideas (maybe too much........)
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No DbCache. That concept is stupid. Data will be stored in storage, and run from RAM like on any modern OS (such DGOS is)

It is too early for UI ideas, unless you want to code the UI. For now I am [re] creating a stable base. Luckily work is going fast so I'll be on UI soon enough.

As for RAM - the OS is very very small and efficient. Currently the whole kernel has code size under 64K and uses under 12K of RAM for itself.
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Old 05-30-2009, 07:18 AM   #29
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My suggestions about core functions:
- allow to run and properly work3rd party POS residents (f.e. external keyboard drivers)
- international input/output in native and POS apps (so smthg like built-in UTF8<->8bit encoder)
- built-in some widely used things: kill screen noise, auto/manual clocking, no brightness limit, etc

Working/build-in soft:
16+8bit full/partly featured browser

I will think further...
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well, i18n is handled by the fact that the entire system is unicode.
allowing residents will work, but will not affect native dgos apps (this is a given due to how palmos layer works)
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