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05-29-2009, 01:23 AM
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#16 | | Registered User
Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Daly City, CA
Posts: 99
| +1. very interested. just bought a second hand lifedrive and would be hyped to run dgos on it.
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05-29-2009, 01:57 AM
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#17 | | Software engineer/hacker
Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Silicon Valley, CA
Posts: 5,061
| @harpgliss: I dont know what it will do or have! That's the beauty of the project! When was the last time someone asked YOU what YOU want in an OS? So here you have it, post ideas, suggestions, concept art if you want, whatever.
So far my ideas are: - multitasking
- ability to launch a few "instances" of palmos, each running a palmos app, and hopefully sharing the same files
- Native app development for developers who want it, with bonuses in speed and abilities
- Support for new device that PalmOS does not natively support
- ...your ideas
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05-29-2009, 03:14 AM
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#18 | | Bernhard Strobl
Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Immenstadt, Germany
Posts: 149
| Quote: | Originally Posted by dmitrygr @harpgliss: I dont know what it will do or have! That's the beauty of the project! When was the last time someone asked YOU what YOU want in an OS? So here you have it, post ideas, suggestions, concept art if you want, whatever.
So far my ideas are: - multitasking
- ability to launch a few "instances" of palmos, each running a palmos app, and hopefully sharing the same files
- Native app development for developers who want it, with bonuses in speed and abilities
- Support for new device that PalmOS does not natively support
- ...your ideas
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Well here is what I was thinking of Multi-Tasking (image attached). When the Home button is pressed an overview with screenshots of running apps as well as system info is shown. Pressing each of the screenshots will bring the user back to that program (Maybe have an X at the corner of each to force a close). Pressing at the top left information panel will bring the person back to the launcher. The OS should limit applications to 3 to prevent to many resources going out the window and keeping things simply. Just my idea though 
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05-29-2009, 03:41 AM
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#19 | | Registered User
Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Russia
Posts: 38
| I have Lifedrive(flash) and Centro. I'd be interested. |
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05-29-2009, 09:35 AM
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#20 | | Registered User
Join Date: Nov 2007
Posts: 32
| As a faithful Grinberg App user, I look forward to the possibilities of DGOS and Lifedrive Unleashed! From what I've read from Dimitry and others, the Lifedrive has a lot of potential that was simply hamstrungto make it compatible with Garnet. I think multitasking would be a plus. I believe that the best Palm handheld ever made could only be made better with a newer OS. Compatiblity with Palm apps is a must, but to have each app in its own "kernel" so to speak, and be able to switch between them . . . I'm curious what functionalities would you build into DGOS or are even possible with a new OS that would call for new apps to utilize them? As far as the Lifedrive is concerned, are we talking about just keeping up with Windows here, or Mac (i.e., opensource apps that can read the latest Office file format, or movie format) or would these apps make the Lifedrive be able to function on her own apart from a PC (with her own printer support, wordprocessor, spreadsheet, office suite, External HD support, network access, etc.)? |
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05-29-2009, 10:03 AM
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#21 | | Registered User
Join Date: May 2005 Location: Italy
Posts: 5
| Dgos I'm very interested in DGOS!
I still use my LifeFlash, but the PalmOs is becoming aged for my needs (and I'm not so sure to switch to a Pre...).
@dmitrygr: please keep us updated on DGOS blog!
Dan |
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05-29-2009, 11:05 AM
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#22 | | Registered User
Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Germany
Posts: 78
| What about bt and wifi drivers? If it were as with Linux port on LD, I would stay with palmos on my LD for another year or two until it dies |
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05-29-2009, 11:15 AM
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#23 | | Software engineer/hacker
Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Silicon Valley, CA
Posts: 5,061
| Hehe, owning LD you own a license to palmos, including its drivers. i plan to make DGOS able to us epalm drivers, so that will not be an issue when I get to it
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05-29-2009, 01:11 PM
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#24 | | Registered User
Join Date: Sep 2006
Posts: 129
| Quote: | Originally Posted by Bla8 Why don't you make your own hardware Dmitry? I am sure people will buy from you if you are able to produce a standard PDA with your OS. |
I'm sure many people would love to have something as innovative as this. Count me in for a more stable, homegrown custom PDA with no more fragmented DB Cache.  |
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05-29-2009, 03:43 PM
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#25 | | Behold the Elixir of Life
Join Date: Jun 2003
Posts: 931
| Dmitry, will DBCache still be necessary??? Please say "no". I got my Flushing working well and used your LD ROM to really free up space and stabalize my LD.
Also, a slick Launcher interface maybe combining SkinUI components (including sound)?
The one thing for sure in addition to multi-tasking is increasing the speed. I use your WarpSpeed (which is also great for getting rid of the squeal problem (thanks)), but it makes the LD unstable at times. I hope DGOS does a good job with handling system resources. Things are slowing down on my LD a little.
How about LD maintenance tools? (Kind of a like Windows Defrag, Chkdsk, Clean Tempfile, compact free space... etc.)?? |
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05-29-2009, 03:51 PM
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#26 | | Registered User
Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: North Charleston, SC
Posts: 92
| Definately a:
1.Large dbcache.
2. stable browser support.
3. native hard button mapping support ( shouldn't need 3rd Party app).
4. native custom icon support. with app overlay removal.
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05-29-2009, 05:04 PM
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#27 | | Registered User
Join Date: Apr 2005
Posts: 1,119
| I think we need obviously a DBcache as the real Ram of the LD is not enough to run everything but we need better management of this cache.
We need a smaller Rom to get the DBCache as max (maybe 24megs........)
Multitasking is a must but should be implement wisely as that will consume a lot of speed & Real Ram (DBCache)
The battery life is important too!
I hope the main DGOS launcher will be simple but with more features than the Palm one.Maybe possibility to have the small icons like Clies.
A like Clies organizer would be interesting.
I have another point:can the list that shows the last application (Holding home button)be longer (10-15) and add favorites on it.
of course a better button handling with more possibilities (Holding for x seconds etc)
A better & simpler security like pattern or digipad or keystroke
Maybe macros handling inserted in the OS to handle keystroke and pen swiping and all the hardware related stuff (BT, WIFI, Brightness, power management)
Just some ideas (maybe too much........) |
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05-29-2009, 05:33 PM
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#28 | | Software engineer/hacker
Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Silicon Valley, CA
Posts: 5,061
| No DbCache. That concept is stupid. Data will be stored in storage, and run from RAM like on any modern OS (such DGOS is)
It is too early for UI ideas, unless you want to code the UI. For now I am [re] creating a stable base. Luckily work is going fast so I'll be on UI soon enough.
As for RAM - the OS is very very small and efficient. Currently the whole kernel has code size under 64K and uses under 12K of RAM for itself.
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05-30-2009, 07:18 AM
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#29 | | Registered User
Join Date: Jul 2007
Posts: 4
| My suggestions about core functions:
- allow to run and properly work3rd party POS residents (f.e. external keyboard drivers)
- international input/output in native and POS apps (so smthg like built-in UTF8<->8bit encoder)
- built-in some widely used things: kill screen noise, auto/manual clocking, no brightness limit, etc
Working/build-in soft:
16+8bit full/partly featured browser
I will think further... |
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05-30-2009, 10:09 AM
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#30 | | Software engineer/hacker
Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Silicon Valley, CA
Posts: 5,061
| well, i18n is handled by the fact that the entire system is unicode.
allowing residents will work, but will not affect native dgos apps (this is a given due to how palmos layer works)
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