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07-03-2008, 11:00 AM
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#1 | | TH55 Nutcase member Platinum Contributor
Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: 29°4'N/95°27'W
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 | Next generation of TH55 = iPhone3G
The time has finally come, July 11. After watching Apple3G A Guided Tour and WWDC Keynote Address, I find a TH55 worthy replacement, iPhone3G.
What made me think this way is that, besides the goodies that come with the old iPhone, iPhone3G now has:
1. Black backcase
2. Scentific calculator
3. Sync with MS Exchange
4. Read Word, Excel, PowerPoint, PDF attachments
5. 3G = 2.8 x Edge
7. Built-in GPS
8. SDK ready
9. Same (or cheaper, depending on 8GB or 16GB) price as TH55
Anything else that would remind you of TH55?
I get the same anxious feeling of wanting to get a hold of the iPhone3G as I had in February 2004 for the TH55.
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07-03-2008, 11:28 AM
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#2 | | Software engineer/hacker
Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Silicon Valley, CA
Posts: 5,061
| 1. Plastic, not like clie which has a metal interior frame
2. A joke compared to powerOne Graph
3. M$ anything is useless.
4. TH55 can edit them too, not juts view
5. WiFi is still faster
6. ....you forgot to include a # 6
7. Sure I'll give you this one, though for me, personally, this is totally useless
8. Don't get excited - all the exciting things you could do with it are prohibited in the terms of SDK use. Also apple has to approve all applications that are made before you ever get them.
9. Really? Did you forget that you cannot buy one without signing for a 2 year plan worth at least $50 a month. Unlike the original iPhone you cannot buy it without a plan - it will not work. They are shipped to stores with iTunes and video playback disabled, and this is enabled in the store right after you sign the contract using a secret apple-only cable and a secret PC application and a VERY long digital signature
Get a TX. with a few extra hacks it replaces TH55 nicely
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07-03-2008, 11:38 AM
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#3 | | Registered User
Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Wylie, TX
Posts: 149
| I'm not as negative as Dmitry, but I've got to add one thing:
10. If you sync with anything, it will be with iTunes. iTunes is the only syncing application that could have made the original Palm HotSync look good. Yikes! What's the virtual footprint on that thing, 2GB??
I sync my music that way, but ONLY BECAUSE I HAVE TO. Pleeez don't make me sync Word documents or spreadsheets or my calendar that way! | |
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07-03-2008, 01:12 PM
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#4 | | TH55 Nutcase member Platinum Contributor
Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: 29°4'N/95°27'W
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| Good comments. Please continue.
1. I opened many TH55, 100+, I haven't seen any metal interior frame.
2. I like the KISS concept. As a chemical engineer in R&D, that scientific calculator is good enough for me. The old calculator is too simple.
3. Useless to you, but in my office, they use it, so I need to sync to it.
4. I'd use my laptop if I need to edit. All I need in that tiny mobil screen is to access it any where I want and to read. I can't put my laptop in my pants' pocket.
5. There are places where WiFi is not available. Besides 3G is approaching WiFi. For example, opening a website with lots of images, like National Geography, iPhone3G opens it in 21s vs WiFi in 17s, Edge in 59s. Other 3G phones like Nokia N95 opens it in 33s, Treo 750 in 34s, both with less display page. Opening email an attachment, Edge opens it in 18s, 3G in 5s, WiFi in 3s.
6. You got me, there. 
7. My treasure is your trash. That is clear.
8. It's coming, we'll see.
9. Good point. Personally I have no problem with the 2yr plan. We'll see what Zibri can do. His ZiPhone has been amazing.
10. I have no problem with iTunes in XP.
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Last edited by DanT : 07-03-2008 at 01:19 PM.
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07-03-2008, 01:31 PM
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#5 | | Software engineer/hacker
Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Silicon Valley, CA
Posts: 5,061
| 1. Sorry was thinking of a different clie
2. then you should not claim it is better 
3. i am sorry to hear this.
4. To view clie has picsel, which works better than the apple viwer IMHO
5. yes i saw the webcast too... stop buying into the hype. that is because the iphone render engine is dog slow and thus the extra wifi speed is trown away. try doing an actual downlaod and note that 3G is ages behind wifi
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7. i have a BIG screen garmin gps, that is all i need
8. nothing is coming. read the SDK EULA. For extra credit see how lawsuit-happy apple's been in their history
9. yes, but please abandon claim of better price. iphone plan costs more thatn same plan for another phone, it is OBVIOUSLY deferring the payment of full cost.
10. indeed. WinXP itself is your problem.
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07-03-2008, 03:03 PM
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#6 | | Aspiring Developer
Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: In a cow?
Posts: 469
| I have to say i agree with Dmitry on this one, the 2yr contract thing is just EVIL 
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07-03-2008, 03:10 PM
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#7 | | Registered User
Join Date: Mar 2007
Posts: 4
| Dan, I am also a bit reserved about iPhone's scientific calculator... I believe the freeware scientific calculator written for Palm OS known as "EasyCalc" can do more.
There has however been some interesting development of scientific calculators for the Android platform... | |
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07-03-2008, 03:32 PM
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#8 | | TH55 Nutcase member Platinum Contributor
Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: 29°4'N/95°27'W
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| Quote: | Originally Posted by icefireicefire I have to say i agree with Dmitry on this one, the 2yr contract thing is just EVIL |
I'll see the real deal on July 11 and post it here. So far the old iPhone of $20/mo for unlimited download/data connect with 200 text messaging has been a good deal for me.
Again I'm waiting for Zibri to come up with his magic touch to work around the 2 year contract. Currently I have one iPhone with AT&T and another that works with any SIM card that I carry with me whenever I'm in foreign country. All I need to do is to buy a SIM card for that country and voila, the iPhone now works for that country. Some SIM cards work without subscription, i.e., pay as you go. Hopefully Zibri can do it again for iPhone3G!
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07-03-2008, 03:41 PM
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#9 | | 1src Co-Founder
Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Guam
Posts: 4,517
| I have an iPhone Classic (4GB ) which I've been using day to day. It's unlocked, it lives on prepaid cards, and it has replaced two Palm-powered devices: a TH55/E and a Treo 650.
Why it works for me:
1. Form factor. More "aerodynamic" compared to the TH55/E. Less buttons too.
2. It has a simple calculator. I hate complicated ones.
3. It's so stable that I haven't synced after the first sync.
4. Read Word, Excel, PowerPoint, PDF attachments
5. WiFi and Mobile Safari.
6. My #6 is: it's by Apple.
7. Camera and wifi.
8. Jailbroken. All the apps I need are in Installer.
9. It was $199.
Our mileages will vary but I'm staying with the iPhone. | |
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07-03-2008, 03:41 PM
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#10 | | TH55 Nutcase member Platinum Contributor
Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: 29°4'N/95°27'W
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| Quote: | Originally Posted by salimby Dan, I am also a bit reserved about iPhone's scientific calculator... I believe the freeware scientific calculator written for Palm OS known as "EasyCalc" can do more.
There has however been some interesting development of scientific calculators for the Android platform... |
I'm using MatUPro in my TH55. It is now available for iPhone. Just check it out. I have put a skin with buttons that are programmed to calculate vapor pressures for various molecules in TH55, now I can transport it to iPhone. 
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07-03-2008, 03:44 PM
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#11 | | TH55 Nutcase member Platinum Contributor
Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: 29°4'N/95°27'W
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| MathUPro for iPhone 
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07-03-2008, 03:45 PM
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#12 | | Registered User
Join Date: Jun 2004
Posts: 98
| It always comes down to how you intend to use your device. As a project engineer, I needed a franklin planner replacement and a scientific calculator after my hp 41 died. The connectivity with WiFi is a nice extra as is bluetooth. No monthly service fee is priceless. | |
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07-03-2008, 03:59 PM
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#13 | | TH55 Nutcase member Platinum Contributor
Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: 29°4'N/95°27'W
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| I used to have several HP41s (41C, 41CV, 41CX). MathUPro replaces them. You can laways get the iPod Touch which is even thinner.
You can do without monthly service fee, as Joel said with prepaid SIM card. My other 16GB iPhone acts like a PDA when I remove the SIM card or by turning on the Airplane Mode. With the soon coming iPhone3G, I bet the old iPhone prices sink like a rock in a pond. You can get pretty good deals in eBay after July 11, I bet.
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07-04-2008, 06:33 AM
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#14 | | 1src Co-Founder
Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Guam
Posts: 4,517
| Quote: | Originally Posted by DanT ... I bet the old iPhone prices sink like a rock in a pond. You can get pretty good deals in eBay after July 11, I bet. |
That is what I hope. I'll be on eBay that week, hunting. | |
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07-04-2008, 10:09 AM
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#15 | | Registered User
Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: UK
Posts: 382
| Quote: | Originally Posted by DanT
With the soon coming iPhone3G, I bet the old iPhone prices sink like a rock in a pond. You can get pretty good deals in eBay after July 11, I bet. |
Seems very unlikely, the price of the new iPhone and contracts for the US is escalating enormously (detailed well in the last MacBreak Weekly podcast). I think the 'Classic' is going to hold its price well especially as unlocking and jailbreaking remains attractive. Most (70%) of the reduced price iPhones sold in the UK in the past couple of months have been used on other networks. A pity my preferred network is 3G and I couldn't use one.
I'd love my Touch to have bluetooth and a camera, but the form factor of an iPhone falls between too many stools - not big enough for a tablet, fine for an iPod, wrong form factor for a phone with odd missing features.
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