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Old 02-24-2008, 03:55 PM   #31
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Just to share my 2 cents...

I bought a 12 volt solar panel for about 25 bucks. In direct sunlight, it outputs about 20 volts. I then hooked that up to 12 1.2 volt 2500mAh NI-MH rechargeable batteries, which cost me another $20. Wiring those batteries in a circuit I made it so that the solar panel, when it has sunlight, will charge the batteries. I then hooked up a female usb circuit to the batteries, and put everything in a project box. It works REALLY well, I was quite surprised. Because the output is USB, I can plug in virtually anything - my PDA, cell phone, mp3 player ,etc.

I also hooked up a switch to toggle between using 4 and all 12 batteries, no only so I can control the overall output voltage of the rig but also so I can charge some of the batteries if I don't have direct sunlight.

That's my story


dont forget to mount a usb hub (5 bucks) that way you can attach multiple devices (you could probably charge 2 Palm TXs with it and still have some power to share from the batteries)

Nice to know that you can do that. I would but I needed something "low profile, that doesnt make too big of a statement"
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Old 02-24-2008, 04:46 PM   #32
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both batteries are at 1v, and output is at 5.2v, but I realized that the blue light on the charger stopped blinking (I don't know when it stopped) so I guess the charger is telling me that It cant supply enough amperage from the dead batteries.

Im off to buy AA batteries
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Old 02-24-2008, 04:49 PM   #33
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I checked max lithium is 2900 mah & dont forget these are serial so you dont get more than this for 2 so yes with Lithium you can theoricaly get 2 to 3 but..........
This is not 3.7 volts ;you loose 0.7 volts (20% approx) so no more than 2 maxi for lithium & less than one for regular

I doubt!

BTW : if you need this is because you have no juice at all in your palm & you cant wait to have a power adapter so it will be a complete charge!

What I posted was using FOUR (4) lithum AA batteries; there is not voltage boosting circuit. Mt Tx is getting 6 volts or so directly.

p.s. I wired my own using a (4) AA cell battery box with a Tx (or Treo) power connector I cut off an extra Treo charger. I've also used a commercial (4) AA cell battery box with standard USB connector along with a USB / Tx connector. Both work real nicely with lithum batteries.

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Old 02-24-2008, 04:50 PM   #34
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If the AA's were still at 1v, that means it can provide charge for a good while longer at whatever amperage the charger requires.

With batteries, amps is rarely a problem. It's all dependent on voltage.
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Yes it included the treo plug, the version of the charger I bought has the connections for the Treo and "most" nokia phones.

Stopped by Target this afternoon. They were out of both teh USB and Treo versions...... I noticed that the other models came with lithum batteries.
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I hope you get better luck next time ftwitty

Have you tried ordering online?
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Old 02-24-2008, 05:13 PM   #37
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If the AA's were still at 1v, that means it can provide charge for a good while longer at whatever amperage the charger requires.

With batteries, amps is rarely a problem. It's all dependent on voltage.


then why did the battery level of the palm drop to 27%?

I think this is one of those rare cases...
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then why did the battery level of the palm drop to 27%?

I think this is one of those rare cases...


I've been wondering how you're getting 5.2 volts out of two AA batteries. It would make sense that the battery pack was simply to keep the device alive while you use it, but to charge it with 2 AAs is wierd. That only equals 2.4 volts, and that cant charge a 3.7 volt battery until the battery is drained below 2.4 volts.

I'm sure you realize this
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I hope you get better luck next time ftwitty

Have you tried ordering online?

Thanks. I'll figure out something......
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Well, I am pretty sure that a TX at 100% has 4.00 volts. How do you get that type of energy out of 1.5 volt bateries? Also, the TX AC adapter, can it charge the TX while its off?

Yes, the charger charges a Tx when it is off.
The Tx charger produces 5 volts. Aparrently, the Eveready AA Tx charger must also produce 5 volts in order to charge the Tx. I guess the best way to think of it is as a "voltage pump". 3 volts is pumped up to 5 volts
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Im getting 5 volts from the charger by disconnecting it from the palm and putting the leads to the multimeter, which is giving me 5.2 volts respectively.


( I made 2 posts, check the one before this to see the update)


This explains the problem. You cannot measure the output of the battery pack/charger open circuit. This will not tell you what it is putting out under load.

If you are not willing to splice into your battery pack/charger or to remove the back cover from the TX in order to access the power input pins then there is no way you can know what the charger's voltage is under load. It probably is 5.2 volts with fresh AA cells but it cannot be even 5 volts if the TX's internal battery is dropping below 100%.
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I disconnected the charger for a bit when it was at 59% and used the palm by itself for about 10 mins (while still doing everything to drain power) and it droped down to 48%, when I plugged the charger back it, it charged it back up to 58%, and now its slowly decreasing.


This is pointing more and more to an amperage deficiency, to the reason why even if the charge voltage is at 5.2volts, the palms battery is dropping.

If there is an amperage deficiency then there is a voltage deficiency. This is a simple law of physics with regard to electricity.

In other words, if you are supplying the voltage that a load wants then it will use a specific amount of current (amperage). It well only use what it wants.

If your power supply cannot supply the amount of current (amps) that the load wants then the supply's voltage will drop, thus showing the 'voltage deficiency'. If the supply's voltage does not drop then it is indeed supplying all of the current the device (load) is asking for.

This is why you cannot get a true reading of your power pack's output voltage if it is not connected to your TX.
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Nice one, I'm out for some hunting now.
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A way to measure the output of your battery pack without taking it apart or removing the back off the TX would be to provide a load other than the TX which will allow you to connect your multimeter leads to it.

The TX draws about 245 mili amps from its internal battery when it is ON, no apps running, and at full brightness. 245 mili amps at 3.7 volts is 0.9 watts of power. You would need to draw 181 mili amps at 5.0 volts from your battery pack to consume the same 0.9 watts of power.

Since E/I=R you could simply connect a 27.6 ohm resistor across the output of your battery pack and measure the voltage across that resistor. This will give you the actual voltage that your battery pack is putting out when connected to the TX if the TX's internal battery is fully charged and if your TX is ON with the screen at full brightness. There are some other small losses involved in reality but this will get you fairly close to the true voltage output of your battery pack.

Your battery pack probably puts out a true 5 or 5.2 volts with fresh AA cells, under load (connected to the TX). However, it cannot be putting out that much voltage connected to the TX if the TX is not able to maintain 100% charge status. If it were truly maintaining 5 volts under load then it would be providing all the current the load wants and so the load (the TX) would not be depleting its own internal battery.

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thanks Ill see if there are any spare resistors in the supply closet at school and rig up the right resistance
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