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06-20-2006, 01:47 PM
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#106 | | Registered User
Join Date: Oct 2005
Posts: 14
 | Well looking at this thread, I would say the best path would be to go with the most streamlined rom possible, removing absolutely everything except what is essential to the use of the palm, and of course then everyone could add exactly what they like. Personally I like and use D2G, Blazer, and VersaMail, but all of those could be added on as each individual see's fit for their personal uses, as well as everything else such as netfront and udmh, etc etc. Though at this moment I see no reason to put this new rom on my PDA, it's running quite smooth as it is at the moment (Though the WPA update is inticing), but at the same time I don't need it. Hey Dimtyr, what about modifieing the ROM that when it crashes it shows an error message instead of just going straight into a soft reset? That alone would make me want to install it though. Just my thoughts on it. | 
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06-20-2006, 01:50 PM
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#107 | | Registered User
Join Date: Jun 2006
Posts: 5
| First of all I would like to thank Dmitry. Another great job, cheers mate.
The results from the upgrade on my TX are great. Now drive mode works fine, netfront is ok and backup with RBackup worked perfect.
Reading the thread I see many people asking for different programs, this of course can't happen, even though I also have a list with favorite apps 
I think the new ROM at the moment is as generic as it should be. For example I want Blazer and Versamail. The key here I believe is to remove apps that do nothing, as Dmitry did already with Addit and just add some hacks/useful programs that are free. | |
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06-20-2006, 02:37 PM
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#108 | | Registered User
Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 33
| One thing that is important:
The custom rom does not change DBcache ammount. I read some information about making custom rom for Treo - just for freeing memory for DBcache.
On T|X, total ammount of DBcache is still 13119KB (as MemoryInfo says).
Some differences are in free DBcache, on my device, after flushing it by MemoryInfo it is:
- 12393KB - with Custom ROM
- 11494KB - without Custom ROM (after WiFi enterprise update)
- 11954KB - without Custom ROM and with UnCache enabled
But, there is a question, if it is worth to change ROM just for few KB?
Applications that stay after hard reset for me are not enough - I always have SD Card inserted in Palm (I use navigation software, so I need much storage memory for maps), and backup with a copy of resco explorer on card is not a problem for me.
So now I stay with Palm Enterprise Update (for possible warranty reasons), But If if Custom Rom would make more space for DBcache, I could install it.
My dream set of application is as follows:
Original ROM -
Without:
- QuickTour
- Addit
- Expenses
- Solitaire (Can be, if removing will make more space, can be not)
- Media and PocketTunes (hardly ever use them, esp. PTunes)
With:
+ NetFront (as alternative for Blazer, but I like Blazer to stay)
+ DriveMode (but, the best way would be something like CardReader, which can be used in background mode)
+ VoiceMemo (why not, but at the present I don't have any mic)
The rest of software I would like to see is unfortunately paid (unCache, RescoExplorer, PiLoc - essential for me, etc.) | |
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06-20-2006, 03:33 PM
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#109 | | Registered User
Join Date: Feb 2006
Posts: 24
| OT: Netfront crashes
Quote: | Originally Posted by Pavla |
This is a bit off topic. I am not installing the TX2. But I did install the NF installer a while ago. However, as soon as I tap on the NF icon, my TX crashes. The first time I did that, I simply deleted all NF*.* files, rebooted and reinstalled. It worked fine. But it happened again. This time, the deletions and reinstallation did not eliminate the reset. Does anyone have any idea why this is happening.
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06-20-2006, 03:55 PM
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#110 | | Why Does Palm Disappoint?
Join Date: Aug 2004
Posts: 5,909
| Amoon, the TX2 rom has the TH(older version) of NF on it but MaxX allows you to use any version of NF. So I have the VZ version on mine since I like and use carriage returns
JAmerican
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06-20-2006, 04:11 PM
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#111 | | Registered User
Join Date: Jan 2004
Posts: 16
| Quote: | Originally Posted by Pavla O come on, as if Palm is coming to your house to check whether you own a clié... |
That never was the issue for me. I would have no problem "borrowing" netfront to see if it is better than blazer. But if I ended up liking it, I should be offered a legal option for keeping it on my TX without resorting to buying a used clie off ebay.
There are two problems here. First, Access stubbornly refuses to sell their flagship browser product directly to end users of their newly purchased flagship OS. Second, dmitry has made netfront available to many users who don't have a legal right to use it.
I have seen many of the posts here encourage him to keep netfront in the ROM image, while others have laundry lists of things to add or delete. The real answer is some sort of ROM tool that lets us build a TX rom image of our own liking. | |
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06-20-2006, 04:16 PM
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#112 | | Coder in training
Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Herts, England
Posts: 239
| Big thanks to Palm, sorry i mean dmitry, i get so confused, which is the hacker again?
Mines restoring right now, it saddens me that i'm not a better programmer as i would love to help out with these things. So much for so little(not that i've seen his bank balance ^_^, but someone should some VC funding behind him and go public. You could call it hand instead palm.
Anyway enough crap jokes, thanks again.
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06-20-2006, 05:20 PM
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#113 | | Registered User
Join Date: Nov 2005
Posts: 13
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Quote: | Originally Posted by r0k I have seen many of the posts here encourage him to keep netfront in the ROM image, while others have laundry lists of things to add or delete. The real answer is some sort of ROM tool that lets us build a TX rom image of our own liking. |
I could not agree with you more. I think trying to come up with ROM image that *everyone* loves is very difficult task, if not impossible. Secondary, there are applications we *buy* and want to keep in ROM. Dmitry can not put those apps in ROM without infringing copyrights. Thirdly, there is a special want like mine. I want to store Japanese font resources in ROM (about 2Mbyte) I am sure I don't need any language resources such as French, German,Spanish or Italian. Eliminating these resources in ROm will give me space for Japanese in ROM with some changes. I know a author of Japanese extention was succssful of doing just that for treo, using treo 650 Rom tool and was able to regain a good amount of DBcache. (this is the main reason if I want to hack Rom image)
If Dmitry can release some kind of ROM tool which is idiot proof (ie., device will always have means of being re-flashed. Flashing A device sometimes leave the device brain-dead due to not able to boot up to the point it can be flashed again), then I guess he does not need to listen to the endless "requests" (of course he does not need to listen to any of those including this one, even now  ) | |
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06-20-2006, 05:48 PM
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#114 | | amoon69
Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Australia
Posts: 680
| Quote: | Originally Posted by JAmerican Amoon, the TX2 rom has the TH(older version) of NF on it but MaxX allows you to use any version of NF. So I have the VZ version on mine since I like and use carriage returns
JAmerican |
Thanks for the update, I thought MaxX did that, if Dmitrys is watching (I'm sure he is) then maybe the VZ version can be added as the carriage return is needed. Quote: | Originally Posted by drwho Is it stable though? Some people have reported major problems after upgrading |
Yes I have not had any issues to date.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dmitrys, just a personal thanks for all the hard work you are obviously putting in, keep it up. 
Last edited by amoon : 06-20-2006 at 06:01 PM.
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06-20-2006, 11:36 PM
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#115 | | Registered User
Join Date: May 2005
Posts: 62
| oops!
I had a bad experience. I tried to update first rom to the latest. Backupbuddyvfs would not restore. Tried hotsync restore but ended up with a rest loop.
Bought the Enterprise security update and restore to original ROM.
No more experimentation for me.  | |
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06-20-2006, 11:41 PM
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#116 | | Software engineer/hacker
Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Silicon Valley, CA
Posts: 5,062
| *sigh* ok i will ammend the first post to tell people to use a good backup app
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06-20-2006, 11:59 PM
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#117 | | Registered User
Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 9
| dmitrygr, I wonder if it is possible to build a " pure rom" without any pre-installed applications beforehand? for users like us to use TX with enough DBcache and get rid of softwares like cjkos pocket tunes and apps like that.
And in my opinion the "pure rom" should:
1,remove CJKOS( for asian users)
2,remove the default calculator
3,remove quick tour
4,remove document to go
5,remove expense
6,remove default notepad
7, remove solitare
8,remove versamail
9, remove blazer
10,remove pockettunes
Since TX has enough ram for installation, a "pure rom" of it may offer as much as DBcache possible and the most possibilities for most users to custom their own handles.
Is that possible? Please do us a favor | |
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06-21-2006, 12:38 AM
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#118 | | Why Does Palm Disappoint?
Join Date: Aug 2004
Posts: 5,909
| Quote: | Originally Posted by amoon Thanks for the update, I thought MaxX did that, if Dmitrys is watching (I'm sure he is) then maybe the VZ version can be added as the carriage return is needed.
Yes I have not had any issues to date.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dmitrys, just a personal thanks for all the hard work you are obviously putting in, keep it up. |
Actually, when I hard resetted today and reinstalled most of my apps to stabilize my TX, I could not get the VZ version to work as I did before the reset.
JAmerican
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Handspring Treo 90 --> Royal RG135nx --> T-Mobile Sidekick --> T-Mobile Sidekick Color --> PEG-UX40 -- > PEG-UX50--> Samsung T629 (Returned) -- > Palm TX (SOLD)/T-Mobile Sony Ericsson T610(Defective) --> T-Mobile Dash(Broken Screen) --> ASUS EEE 1000H Black/Treo 800w/PEG-VZ90
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06-21-2006, 12:42 AM
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#119 | | Software engineer/hacker
Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Silicon Valley, CA
Posts: 5,062
| Quote: | Originally Posted by snowcraft22 dmitrygr, I wonder if it is possible to build a " pure rom" without any pre-installed applications beforehand? for users like us to use TX with enough DBcache and get rid of softwares like cjkos pocket tunes and apps like that.
And in my opinion the "pure rom" should:
1,remove CJKOS( for asian users)
2,remove the default calculator
3,remove quick tour
4,remove document to go
5,remove expense
6,remove default notepad
7, remove solitare
8,remove versamail
9, remove blazer
10,remove pockettunes
Since TX has enough ram for installation, a "pure rom" of it may offer as much as DBcache possible and the most possibilities for most users to custom their own handles.
Is that possible? Please do us a favor |
as i previously explained there are a few sections of the rom. i only modify one. there are ways to edit the others too, but it is a bit more dangerous. I am evaluating doing that.
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06-21-2006, 01:07 AM
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#120 | | Sorcerer's Apprentice
Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Midwood, Brooklyn N.Y.
Posts: 768
| Dmitry & All,
I had a very strange experience. I put my SanDisk UltraII 1Gb card into my pc's media slot, expanded the files into the card's /Palm/Launcher directory. When I got to the point of tapping on TX updater icon, I got a msg telling me that a file was missing. Believing that it might be related to apps I've got on the card; I used an old 256Mb sd card. I removed any files in the /launcher directory on 2nd card & expanded the zip file into it. This time I saw 2 icons; one was TX updater & one was ROM Updater.
Feeling lucky, I decided to go ahead & try tapping on the ROM Updater icon & I got a very fast series of msgs rolling down the screen & got only one reboot.
Rbackup 1.35.4 worked & saw my prev backup sets just fine (in 1st attempt to update I had a copy of Rbackup in the Palm/Launcher dir, along w/a lot of other stuff).
I got a msg fm Maxx & upon re-install fm backup & reset, I saw it again; but not after any further resets (soft).
Upon checking, I didn't seem to get Filez - something I like a lot. I restored it fm backup of my prev d/l'ed version & opened it - to see if there would be a little icon next to Filez's name in the list to indicate it was in ROM & I was able to delete it.
What is with that?
Drive mode works just fine. Now I don't have to remove sd card to do an app install manually (doing it w/hotsync is awfully slow)!
I still have VersaMail & Blazer, Dialer, & SMS.
I did have one scare when testing my apps - SuperSlyder a great game fm Astraware opened & after returning to 'current' game, & tapping on up navigate button I got a crash that CrashPro didn't even register. Fortunately, it was caused by UDMH not having a special setting for it - the game is on my SD card, so I just added it to UDMH list & checked off skip quit & it worked fine again.
FYI, I copied the app that Dmitry said had a new drive mode that works (it did); & the overflow files were dated 6/20, TXupdater was 6/18 & ROMUpdater was dated 2/17.
So far, so good.
Keep up the good work Dmitry. Would it be possible to come up w/an app to delete stuff fm ROM? if you can find the time; of course!
All the best,
Eli
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