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03-17-2009, 05:10 PM
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#916 | | Registered User
Join Date: Apr 2005
Posts: 1,119
 | Understood
It looks it is more likely to work longer for all user in general without the flash token backup.I vote to remove.
You cannot fix what is bad but that will be fine the same amount of time as without Powerdrive.
Just my tought!
Thank you
Last edited by enotar : 03-17-2009 at 05:26 PM.
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03-18-2009, 08:47 AM
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#917 | | Cogito ergo sum
Join Date: May 2007
Posts: 90
| Quote: | Originally Posted by dmitrygr no, just those whose flash chips suck
if you REALLY want, i can remove this flash token backup code, but then, like all users of non-powerdrived LDs, your serial number and battery calibration values will disappear randomly one day, and your battery life will fall and any app that uses serial number for registration will stop working... |
I'd prefer to lose the serial number and decrease the battery life (I barely disagree with the battery statement) instead my whole LD.
Why do not have a separate app for saving / restoring tokens?
regards, sergio.
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03-18-2009, 12:25 PM
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#918 | | Registered User
Join Date: Apr 2007
Posts: 23
| Well, I just wanna to reflash my LD (from a SD, for example), trying to restore.
It's possible?
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03-19-2009, 06:38 PM
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#919 | | Registered User
Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Germany
Posts: 78
| Is there any estimate for how many write/erase cycles a standard LD's flash chip lasts? 100000, 1000000 or more? Now think how many apps on your LD uses this chip to run (i.e. wear it out) and how many bytes of it count due to the PowerDrive feature? If we had known these average numbers, it would be easier to estimate the side effect of PowerDrive, but my guess is that is minor.
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03-19-2009, 07:16 PM
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#920 | | Registered User
Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Germany
Posts: 78
| @sergioq
I think the problem with bad flash chip is solvable and costs ~ 100$. I just don't remember the thread where I've read who can fix it by replacing with a new chip, but if you search enough you will find it in this forum. And if get enough quantity of your dead LDs you can try to ask for discount  | |
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03-19-2009, 08:26 PM
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#921 | | Cogito ergo sum
Join Date: May 2007
Posts: 90
| Quote: | Originally Posted by vibo @sergioq
I think the problem with bad flash chip is solvable and costs ~ 100$. I just don't remember the thread where I've read who can fix it by replacing with a new chip, but if you search enough you will find it in this forum. And if get enough quantity of your dead LDs you can try to ask for discount |
They were talking about TX's chip, and it's not that easy, believe me I really know about this.
Discount? no Palm doesn't want to see a Lifedrive any longer so in the opposite servicing price rises every time. 
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04-06-2009, 04:44 PM
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#922 | | Registered User
Join Date: Apr 2007
Posts: 23
| Well, I just know one thing: my LD was perfect and after I instal the PowerDrive, begun this problem. Dot.
The support; until where I saw, is close to nothing! In the end, I buyed this software, I lost my LD and is hard to receive some reply from dmitry.
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04-06-2009, 06:24 PM
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#923 | | Cogito ergo sum
Join Date: May 2007
Posts: 90
| Even more, there are no warnings on the site about this issue, so people keep filling his pocket, that's really sad.
My case? I just wanted to know the method to write the data to replace the MD for a "non CHS compatible" CF, but Mr. DG just decided to write software and earn some money instead to describe the method returning the acquired knowledge giving back to the community. (he didn't discover the memory map distribution, the Linux method and OS ROM format and header, etc. which were shared for free) just discovered the partition table format disassembling the boot loader. As consequence added some unnecessary gadget for the app but necessary to protect it from unauthorized copies it means keeping safe the LD serial number flashing it to the ROM chip on each booting. Also password is dangerous, if you choose this option and the LD hangs while is out from your sight it remains with the screen turned on heating a lot till you notice this draining the battery and drastically decreasing the life of the chips.
Consequences?
Software developers and enthusiastic only think about software and believe that hardware protecting code can be ignored or removed, and don't care about to modify the code ignoring the hardware consequences. Guys, it's not so easy. Most of chips limits come from excessive temperature, ignoring that info from the data sheets may cause this kind of damage.
My theory:
The CF takes away less heat from the processor than the MD does (CF case is almost plastic and remains a little far away from the processor) and the same for the battery charger chip. Even more, since the amount of data you can put inside is bigger you'll have the LD working longer and heating a lot especially if you are on "drive mode" where the screen heat adds a lot to the problem. It seems that flashing the ROM chip in such condition is mortal for the chip probably caused for randomly overwriting the boot loader data or prematurely wearing it out killing any chance of booting.
It seems to be a LD design failure which is increased by Powerdrive and the MD replacement.
The facts?
I've added a cooler to the processor and the battery charger chip and not only my LD is lasting longer now, it also has been improved the battery performance, it seems that the chip regulates better the battery charge while the LD remains cool.
Some pics of the cooler.
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04-06-2009, 06:37 PM
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#924 | | Software engineer/hacker
Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Silicon Valley, CA
Posts: 5,061
| Quote: | Originally Posted by sergioq Mr. DG just decided to write software and earn some money instead to describe the method returning the acquired knowledge giving back to the community. (he didn't discover the memory map distribution, the Linux method and OS ROM format and header, etc. which were shared for free)
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hahaha
if that were true, you would not need powerdrive ot make any card work... [duh?] Quote: | Originally Posted by sergioq
just discovered the partition table format disassembling the boot loader. As consequence added some unnecessary gadget for the app but necessary to protect it from unauthorized copies it means keeping safe the LD serial number flashing it to the ROM chip on each booting. Also password is dangerous, if you choose this option and the LD hanges while is out from your sight it remains with the screen turned on heating a lot till you notice this draining the battery and drastically decreasing the life of the chips.
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does the word "sensationalism" mean anything to you? Quote: | Originally Posted by sergioq
Software developers and enthusiastic only think about software and believe that hardware protecting code can be ignored or removed, and don't care about to modify the code ignoring the hardware consequences. Guys, it's not so easy. Most of chips limits come from excessive temperature, ignoring that info from the data sheets may cause this kind of damage.
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it has nothing to do with temperature...perhaps you never took statistics...anecdote proves nothing. Data point: my LD runs at 700 MHz+ and no failures... Quote: | Originally Posted by sergioq
The CF takes away less heat from the processor than the MD does (CF case is almost plastic and remains a little far away from the processor) and the same for the battery charger chip. Even more, since the amount of data you can put inside is bigger you'll have the LD working longer and heating a lot especially if you are on "drive mode" where the screen heat adds a lot to the problem. It seems that flashing the ROM chip in such condition is mortal for the chip probably caused for randomly overwriting the boot loader data or prematurely wearing it out killing any chance of booting.
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idiot...cf does not touch processor...it's a large distance away...
seriously...people like you are the reason we still have superstition in the world today
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04-06-2009, 07:05 PM
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#925 | | Cogito ergo sum
Join Date: May 2007
Posts: 90
| Quote: | Originally Posted by dmitrygr hahaha
if that were true, you would not need powerdrive ot make any card work... [duh?]
does the word "sensationalism" mean anything to you?
it has nothing to do with temperature...perhaps you never took statistics...anecdote proves nothing. Data point: my LD runs at 700 MHz+ and no failures...
idiot...cf does not touch processor...it's a large distance away...
seriously...people like you are the reason we still have superstition in the world today |
No 3 LD dead because your app are enough facts.
Critical temperature facts are battery completely drained charging while is in drive mode writing data into the card, and drive mode does not work if overclock. So you never ran it at 700 MHz. Try that and let me now. And read better my comments.
Anecdote? you make my laugh, see the picture. And your experience is? simply because you believe it, it is not enough to give a serious opinion.
Statistics? yes, I manage a wide area of the biggest network in the world which carries not only internet but tons of private traffic. Last years statistic's had proven that a few sites (over a 100 involved) were HVAC have had failures represented the 90% of the failures on the network where the rest have had no failures. Even more, places were temperature is stable have had working same equipment for about 8 years. Maybe there is some holes in my explanation but I don't want to be too boring talking too much about technical issues. Translation for you: high temperature and temperature variation are mortal for electronics components and have proven that same component can last from 3 months to 10 years depending on the working environment and critical on it is temperature variation.
My experience? I'm 47 years old and working in electronics since i was 12 and was in college more years than your age. that is why I deserve a little respect specially from you, not only as a person but as a professional, since this is not the first time you disrespect me.
does the word "support" mean anything to you? because there is a lot of people asking for it especially on the thread you've started.
Seriously, people like you is why even have paid for software people don't have support, so sad. If you want to be as a big corp keep on it, you're in the right way.
I dont like your behaviour so don't waste time. Watch your mouth, You're too young and need less caffeine to be as gentle as it should be.
End of sarcastic chat. End of chat with you.
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04-07-2009, 05:37 AM
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#926 | | Registered User
Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 15
|  Lifedrive Dead ?? Password Prompt !!!
Quote: | Originally Posted by dmitrygr hahaha
| DMITRY can you tellme, why you don't answer my emails ??
I wrote about 5 emails to you - no answer :-(
Her my problem:
After updateing my LifeDrive with PowerDrive, it boots with the prompt "password": - but i did not set a password !!
I can't even boot with the original MicroDrive or restore from the Original Microdrive holding the midddle button :-(
Hope you can help me
Or is my lifedrive dead forever ?? Has anyone a solution for this problem ?
I think there were some guys with the same problem.
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04-08-2009, 07:36 AM
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#927 | | Registered User
Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: SW, VA, USA
Posts: 937
| Quote: | Originally Posted by dosser Her my problem:
After updateing my LifeDrive with PowerDrive, it boots with the prompt "password": - but i did not set a password !!
I can't even boot with the original MicroDrive or restore from the Original Microdrive holding the midddle button :-( |
All I can tell you is that I have had the EXACT same problem, I did not set a password, but it wanted one. Alas the "password" is burned into the flash so changing the CF/MD does nothing. Only Dmitrygr is going to be able to get you past this. I had to spend an evening IM'ing him to walk me through the procedure.
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04-08-2009, 11:05 PM
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#928 | | Registered User
Join Date: Apr 2009
Posts: 3
| Palm Bios issues
Yeah, I think I have the same problems. I did have my LifeDrive passworded, and, I did install Powerdrive. I respect Dmitry for doing what Palm still should do to incorporate SDHC capability into Garnet 5 devices. Now, however, he would garner immense respect, instead of curses, by giving us a plain procedure, perhaps on his site, to reset LifeDrive's bios via an SD card.
(Palm's crazy thinking that I'll purchase one of their phones!)
(There is a 3rd party co ( http://www.pdasmart.com/lifedriverepair.htm) that fixes many PDAs, but I don't know much about them, and their ability to get around this problem (is the bios chip on the PCB?--if so, we may obtain a different PCB/cmos from them). They evaluate, estimate, (then, likely must accept CC), then fix, if possible. Evaluation is "free." Return shipping must be included, I think. I'll find out about BBB probs., any negative anecdotes, and relate back here if anyone's interested. If I do send in, I'll relate this crazy bios problem to them. They offer refurb. T|Xs: If expense justifies, I'll obtain that instead. Expense probably does justify--with likely, at minimum, a new PCB and battery.....)
I suppose I'll keep an eye here--stupidly hoping until I get a used, working T5 or a refurb/new T|X. I realize, painfully, now that fooling around with this Palm won't do a bit of good until some breakthrough occurs here or on related sites. Simply disconnecting/reconnecting stuff doesn't work I've put my LifeDrive back together, with its poor, bedeviled battery disconnected, and into a drawer away from water. Thanks for your diligence, guys!
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04-09-2009, 03:47 AM
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#929 | | Software engineer/hacker
Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Silicon Valley, CA
Posts: 5,061
| rest=reflash=requires the original image=copyright infringement
__________________ Annoying me is NOT an approved way of encouraging me to produce software My software:PowerSDHC, PowerDrive, nuRom, UDMH, warpSpeed, PowerDiGi, brightnessFix, etc... Get it all here:http://www.PalmPowerups.com | |
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04-09-2009, 10:14 AM
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#930 | | Registered User
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Posts: 937
| Quote: | Originally Posted by dmitrygr rest=reflash=requires the original image=copyright infringement |
Realized that you cannot post the SD recovery image because of copyright issues. However, would it be possible to either: - Make a utility that could be used on a working LD to generate the SD recovery image. Ideally this would have to be used before there is an issue and the user would have to have saved the image off to a safe place.
- Make a utility that could be used against the LD 2.0 upgrade package to generate the SD recovery image.
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