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Old 11-03-2006, 03:52 PM   #61
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Changes to http://mykbdedit.lattilad.org on day 7

Fixed bug making + signs appearing on empty keys.
Fixed bug making colors disappear from the palette.
Added support for natural key names: tab, bksp, enter, caps, cmd, cycle, shift, graf, left, right, up, down and (0) to (9) stand for special keys. Specifying special keys by single uppercase letters is no longer supported: letters are case insensitive.
Help screen added.
Display layout changed.
Portrait and landscape views separated; a button added to select which one to work on.
Landscape added to text output.
A button added to turn on/off the view currently unused.

To do list

Remap coordinates. (Now, landscape mode coordinates are a mess.)
Redesign the dashboard.
Removing top and bottom lines from text output screen.
Add a command to import text files previously created.

Known bugs

None.
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Old 11-03-2006, 05:37 PM   #62
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I've created a keyboard with myKbdEdit, first time ever.



It is called LAttilaD Satem, after the center keys; it is a frequency based experimental Hungarian layout.
While making it, I've discovered several things to do and a lot of bugs...
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Old 11-03-2006, 05:39 PM   #63
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To do list

Remap coordinates. (Now, landscape mode coordinates are a mess.)
Redesign the dashboard.
Removing top and bottom lines from text output screen.
Add a command to import text files previously created.
Add a command to add a row of keys at once.
Add a command to repaint a row of keys at once.
Palette modification to reflect Palm's reduced palette.

Known bugs

Repainting selection repaints an additional half key if the selection contains any second half.
If the selection contains a " sign, it disappears from the text box, as like as subsequent characters; however, it works properly.
The + sign does not work when tried to add on a key.
The Paint Selection command may result in a totally black image. (Probably because the last half key of a row makes addition of an
unwanted half key.)
Selecting certain characters such as > may give unexpected characters to appear between dashboard buttons.
Coordinates in row 6 aren't visible.
PALM-NAME is truncated to the first word.
When creating the text output, any space is omitted and following characters shift leftwards.
When creating the text output, accented characters like ő and ű turn into o~ and u^, ruining following code.
Bottom corner keys are mistakenly treated as unsplittable. This turns out only when creating the text output.
PALM-NAME and FILENAME are changed over in text output.
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Old 11-03-2006, 09:33 PM   #64
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@ LLttilaD,

This project is coming along nicely. I really like the color choice that you used in your posted keyboard.

A suggestion might be to have a button to set the startup layout to either qwerty or Atomik, so that the user doesn't have to manually set up the Atomik layout.

In regards to the use of data files, Palm must use either compiled PRC's or PDB's. It is the nature of the operating system.

@PinCushionQueen,

Should you have a layout that you would like compiled, please feel free to send it my way. I recently gained the ability to run Windows in Parallels on my MacBook.
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Old 11-03-2006, 10:41 PM   #65
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Hey thanks bh77a! I do have a couple of ideas I'd like to try :-D

Have you been able to get the compiler for myKbd to work in Parralels? I tried to use it in WINE on my Linux box but it wouldn't work.
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Old 11-03-2006, 10:58 PM   #66
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Yeah, after installing Java (in Windows) it works fine in Windows/Parallels on my MacBook. The command line (terminal in OS X and linux) would quietly shut down on me before installing it.

I tried it under WINE on my Linux box (Ubuntu 6) and it wouldn't work... although I never pushed it much.

Alex did create a Mac compiler but it has lagged behind the Windows version in functionality. If you want it, I *think* it is available on PalmGear. If not, let me know.
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Old 11-04-2006, 06:03 AM   #67
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@ LLttilaD,

This project is coming along nicely. I really like the color choice that you used in your posted keyboard.

Thanks, bh, it isn't copyrighted; by the way, I must admit the layout of letters is terrible. Once I made a frequency based Hungarian layout in Notepad, before myKbdEdit was made; it isn't bad, but not perfect. I wonder how Alex collected the information used to create Atomik and Metropolis; I would make frequency based layouts for several languages.

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A suggestion might be to have a button to set the startup layout to either qwerty or Atomik, so that the user doesn't have to manually set up the Atomik layout.

I want more than that. Implementing the text import feature will let me add as much layouts as I like. You can choose any of them.

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In regards to the use of data files, Palm must use either compiled PRC's or PDB's. It is the nature of the operating system.

Any Palm program may open and process a file of any type and format; you can copy simple text files to your Palm, too. However, I believe I can create even pdb files if I'm told how to do it.

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Should you have a layout that you would like compiled, please feel free to send it my way.

And show it to us, please! I would like to collect as many layouts as I can, and add them to myKbdEdit when possible.
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Old 11-04-2006, 07:47 AM   #68
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(Work on day 8 is still in progress, but I had to upload it to the public place, so I publish now what'd been done till now.)

Changes to http://mykbdedit.lattilad.org on day 8

Bugs fixed:

Fixed a bug making Paint Selection painting an additional half key if the selection contains any second half, and if it is at the end of a row, the display got black.
PALM-NAME and FILENAME were changed over in text output; fixed.
PALM-NAME was truncated to the first word; fixed.
Coordinates in row 6 weren't visible; fixed.
The + sign didn't work when tried to add on a key; fixed.
Download keyboard code now returns plaintext (not in the public version). This removed the disappearing spaces and decomposing accented letters.
Bottom corner keys are unsplittable in myKbd but still require two characters in the code; now they are produced.

To do list

Remap coordinates. (Now, landscape mode coordinates are a mess.)
Redesign the dashboard.
Removing top and bottom lines from text output screen.
Add a command to import text files previously created.
Add a command to add a row of keys at once.
Add a command to repaint a row of keys at once.
Palette modification to reflect Palm's reduced palette.
Add several imported layouts.
An automatic layout rotator to create a landscape view from a portrait view or vice versa, by a single click.
A Palm character table to select characters not present on the PC keyboard and show which characters are added to the layout already and which aren't.

Known bugs

If the selection contains a " sign, it disappears from the text box, as like as subsequent characters; however, it works properly.
Selecting certain characters such as > may give unexpected characters to appear between dashboard buttons.
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Old 11-04-2006, 08:18 AM   #69
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Downloading the keyboard code now works properly, giving a real text output. To compile your keyboard created with myKbdEdit, click on the link Download keyboard code and save the page received as .txt. (By default, it is called download.php; I believe I can't change this.) Give this .txt file to go.exe and your keyboard will be compiled as well.
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Old 11-04-2006, 10:18 AM   #70
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Changes to http://mykbdedit.lattilad.org on day 8, continued

Removed top and bottom lines from text output screen.
Added a text import feature.

To do list

Remap coordinates. (Now, landscape mode coordinates are a mess.)
Redesign the dashboard.
Add a command to add a row of keys at once.
Add a command to repaint a row of keys at once.
Palette modification to reflect Palm's reduced palette.
Add several imported layouts.
An automatic layout rotator to create a landscape view from a portrait view or vice versa, by a single click.
A Palm character table to select characters not present on the PC keyboard and show which characters are added to the layout already and which aren't.

Known bugs

Landscape view is displayed wrong, exchanging split key halves.

Beauty bugs

If the selection contains a " sign, it disappears from the text box, as like as subsequent characters; however, it works properly.
Selecting certain characters such as > may give unexpected characters to appear between dashboard buttons.
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Old 11-04-2006, 12:21 PM   #71
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I've added a feature to import keyboards stored at LAttilaD.org with two clicks. Click Import keyboard code and choose from the list. I would like to have the keyboards you've designed and add them to the list.
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Old 11-05-2006, 07:41 PM   #72
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That website is great for quickly importing a layout and seeing what it will look like without compiling it first. Thanks!
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Old 11-06-2006, 09:58 AM   #73
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I have code from a couple of days ago and when I paste it in I get a black screen. This is the code (there is more text in the file I saved, but it looked unecessary) it is based on the Atomik console keyboard:

LABELS:
{}b+k+d+g+.+,+?!@#7+8+9+
~+T+c+a+n+i+m+q+B+4+5+6+$+
()f+l+e+++s+y+x+R+1+2+3+
`+[]j+h+t+o+p+v+'"-/0++*=+
<>I+M+S+r+u+w+z+;:\|&%C+
X-+G+H+J+K+L+Y+Z+D+E+^+F

COLOR-PATTERN:
cdggggggggcccccdcdbbbbbb
cceeggggggggggggeebbbbbbaa
cdggggggeeggggggeebbbbbb
cccdggggggggggggcdcdbbcdaa
cdeeeeeeggggggggcdcdcdee
faaeebbbbbbbbffffffffaaf

COLOR-KEY:
a 200 200 200
b 153 153 204
c 180 180 180
d 220 220 220
e 51 102 255
f 153 0 204
g 51 204 255
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Old 11-06-2006, 10:28 AM   #74
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That website is great for quickly importing a layout and seeing what it will look like without compiling it first. Thanks!

Well, when I decided I want an import feature I didn't even think it will be useful for that, too. Thank you.
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I have code from a couple of days ago and when I paste it in I get a black screen. This is the code (there is more text in the file I saved, but it looked unecessary) it is based on the Atomik console keyboard:

Sorry to hear that, Tom. This is because myKbdEdit is under a continuous development, and the formats often change when I discover something I was using before isn't good. For example, I know a bug making any underscore _ character to become a space. This is because I'm using the underscore to represent a space in the URL, since I felt the original %20 method too long. Therefore, if you add an underscore today, you won't find it on your keyboard if you open your bookmark some days later.
The only way to solve such problems is either waiting until I'll be ready with the development or storing your keyboard in a text file. The text files handled by download an import commands must follow the format used by Keyboard Layout Generator, therefore, they will be importable and downloadable, no matter how do I reformat the URL parameters.
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