tantousha

Well...this answer may seem obvious at first but I want you to stop and think for a second.

With the NX70Vs going for the same price as a TG50 over at overstock.com, which would you recommend?

The NX70 has the camera, big screen and CF slot going for it, whereas the TG50 has bluetooth, smaller package, better keyboard and some newer software tweaks.

I've handled both and pocketed the TG50 and I must say it's definitly a nice PDA. But I can think of 1000s of uses for the camera but only 100s of uses for the bluetooth....

So what's your train of thought guys?
TG50 or NX70V?

jwang0416

seems like u have made a decision urself already?!
1000 reasons for NX...go for NX70 then.......

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tantousha

I have and I haven't. While I would find the camera useful I'm not sure I can justify the extra size. This PDA is going to strictly be a pocketable PDA and it's going to share my pocket with my wallet (at least until I get a nice Vaja case, but even then I don't want to part with my handmade leather wallet I bought in Florence ) Anyways. So yeah, the size of the TG50 is a BIG plus, and if I invest the small amount in a bluetooth dongle the TG50 becomes an even bigger plus...I'm like stuck right in the middle.

jwang0416

well...for me i chose to buy TG50 at my very first eye look....
just love the device.....the size, the look and the features (NX is way too big for me and i dont need a 310,000 digi since i got a 2 mega pixcel one ).

u have to u know what u want. If u really need a digi cam i think it would be useful to get one with built-in camera then. i have to say playing with the built-in camera is really "FUN" on clie ~

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tiwee

jwang actually pointed out the word "playing" which I think it is true. Although you may have 1000s of ways of using the camera. It does not mean you will use it everyday! Most likely you will take picture for fun and .... that's it! When you transferred out the picture you have taken from the clie, the picture is pixelated and you cannot view it anywhere except your clie or unless you are going to print thumbnails!

I actually chose to buy TG50 at the very sight and the very day it launches! I have been using the bluetooth everyday for SMS although it is just a small part in bluetooth but at least I appreciate the in built bluetooth every single day! I have no problem with HI-RES despite NX having HI-RES+, it is sufficient for me.

Cheers!

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s_n_m

I find 320x320 resolution the perfect size, and since I mostly use the TG for simple stuff I didn't have much of a use for the LITTLE features the NX has.

Plus, I LOVE BLUETOOTH! It's cheap and every new cell phone has it!

ErnieB

TG-50, hands down.  Form factor, size, weight, etc., are all better.  VG and HiRes+ are cool, but that's all they are.

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T1000X

I tried the TG50 out for a while (about two weeks), and enjoyed the device but there were some factors that helped me change my mind and move to the NX70V.

If you are focused on having multimedia capabilities let me highlight some of the things I didn't like about the TG50. Watching movies with a maximum size of 320*240 is okay, but if you want to avoid eye strain it isn't the best choice. When it comes to MP3 playback if you want to listen to music and not bother about changing tracks then the TG50 would work. If you are like me and would like to skip tracks, adjust volume or stop playback entirely (with the device on Hold and screen off), then the NX70V with it's inline remote would be best. Another cool thing about the inline remote is there are programs that allow you to map the buttons to do launch other programs. Unfortunately, I cannot recall the names of some of those programs.

One of the biggest benefits of having the NX70V is it's awesome 320*480 screen. It really pays off if you are a big eBook reader or have to view and edit a lot of information. I can view an entire days worth of appointments in the Datebook, several ToDos, and almost an entire page of text in Memo Pad on my NX70V versus having to scroll with a 320*320 screen in all applications mentioned. The cool thing about the NX70V is if you have Graffiti Anywhere, NewPen, or Jot you do not need the Graffiti area open in order to input data!

As for the camera on the NX70V, it's a cool idea but the lack of a flash limits it's usability. You cannot take pictures really in anything short of bright (meaning outside) light. One cool (and mostly novel) thing you can do is capture small low quality movies. I've used it a couple of times to record my two year old nephew, and it's cool. It's nice having it there, but the quality of the pictures is nothing special. I'd probably use the camera more if it had better resolution (at least 1MP or better), a flash, and didn't compromise the size of the device much.

Both devices have voice recording capabilities, but the TG50's seems to be an updated version with a really nice sensitivity setting. The TG50 has an easier time when in sensitive mode picking up finer sounds.

As for other applications with each device, the TG50 comes with Piscel Viewer that allows you to natively view files without conversion. It is really cool, but all you can do is view, not edit. Unlike the NX though, the TG50 does not officially come with Documents to Go either, which is my preferred Office program.

As for the wireless communication aspect you have two different standards that cover two different areas. Bluetooth (BT) is best suited for PANs or Personal Area Networks. That is essentially for things like a BT headset and BT phone, a BT equipped PDA and BT cell phone, BT cameras and BT PDAs, BT cameras and BT hard drives and a BT hard drive and BT PDA (we can wish, can't we), and other personal items. Bluetooth is also limiting in range as well with a normal range of 30 feet.

WiFi (802.11b) is meant for LANs and is meant to be a wireless version of Ethernet. Because of the broader range, WiFi radios in devices require more power. If you want to be able to HotSync faster then USB, move 300 feet away and get online, then a WiFi capable PDA would be a better choice.

It all matters what you plan on using the device for. If you want a multimedia WiFi machine the NX70V is the superior choice. If all you need is a productivity tool to use with your Bluetooth enabled cell phone then I'd choose the TG50.

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The life and times of an obsessed PDA owner; Visor Deluxe, N760C, T615, Compaq iPaq 3850, T665C, NR70V, SJ30, Tungsten | T, NX70V, Tungsten | C, TG50, Tapwave Zodiac 2.

That is roughly how it's gone. Yes, I do need professional help, or a bigger wallet. Or win the stinkin' lottery.

sstrasser86

yeah i totaly agree with you

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Selling my NX70 *gunmetal* and extras!! look in the classifieds!!!

swinter

of course it all depends on how you plan to use your unit. if I were buying now, personally, i'd opt for the TG50. i use my clie to replace the laptop (i.e., word processing, checking and writing email, taking notes in meetings, web surfing when i'm away from my desk). for me, the Sony fold-up keyboard is an essential accessory -- and it  does not work with the NX or NZ. also, i use the bluetooth memory stick all-the-time to connect to my cellphone to go online and it would be much more convenient to have bluetooth built in (and not have to take the regular memory stick out each time). finally, though i don't take pictures much, i strongly prefer higher quality pics so I can post them on my website etc. (i use a 1.3 MB Sony camcorder with memory stick; i can view the digital photos on the T series unit, on my Sony TV, or -- of course -- on the computer.)

on the side of the NX, there's that wonderful 320 x 480 screen. we T series owners covet that, no doubt about it. (Sony are you listening?)

another thing to consider is that there other ways you can duplicate the convenience of the NX's camera. Sony has a memory stick camera for the T series. and both Nokia and Sony Ericsson either have or will soon have bluetooth enabled phones with built in cameras.

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tantousha

Hmmm....all such good points...I think I'm going to have to buy both :P

I love the Keyboards...as I currently have a Treo 90 and going with the TG50 seems like a natural step.

As for the multimedia capabilities, the one I know I would use on a regular basis would be the MP3 playback. You are right about the inline remote, I never even thought about how to change tracks I would have to take the Clie out of my pocket, flip open the cover and turn the unit on, a lotta work for something small. But then I could just make sure that the playlist I use contains only the music I want....argh!

Size is another big thing, though I haven't really done a side by side, I do know the TG50 is smaller...I'm just not sure how much.

Oh and on a side note, Vaja said they currently don't plan to make a case for the TG50 I sure hope this is temporary.

jwrogers

I've had both, and I gave the NX70V to my wife. I use the TG50 now because it's MUCH more pocketable. The NX70V is just so large that it doesn't fit well in a pocket. I realized that I was carrying it everywhere I needed to-- when someone said "hey, let's go to lunch" I'd leave the NX70V behind because it was so bulky.

Both are fantastic devices, though, and my wife is going to get great use out of the camera on the NX70V.

yOyOYoo

To me, the NX70v, seems much more of an entertainment device, while the TG50 seems much more of a better business tool. When upgrading from my NR70v, I was in a similar situation as you.

The TG50 just seems like a much more user friendly and functional device to me, than the NR70v (and subsequent NX70v) would ever be. I constantly check the time and datebook on my palm, and for me it was such a huge pain in the butt to have to take out my NR70v, then open the huge clamshell just to look at the time, and then close it. I loved using the thumbboard of the NR70v, but in low light situations, the thumbboard was rendered useless. While having a hi-res+ screen was very nice (at the time I swore I would never go without hi-res+ again) I found the NR70v too awkward and clumsy to use efficiently. Tablet mode is nice when I want to write in graffiti, but what if I need a hardbutton to look up a task, pagedown hack was a nice alterative, but I just found it really annoying, having to constantly switch btween clamshell and tablet mode. I just want to be able to whip out my palm, then jot a quick note, then close it, without having to go through the trouble of changing configurations constantly.

Other reasons for me not wanting another clamshell were: the hinge on my NR70v degraded to crap. It was constantly loose, requiring me to open the unit up and tighten the screws constantly. While the camera was "fun" I never had any real use for it. I hear NX70v users complain about the hinge breaking down as well. For me I don't want to have to worry about or deal with my unit breaking or the hinge getting loose. I shudder at the thought of having to deal with a bad hinge on a clamshell again.

The TG50 is very quick to use. The home/menu buttons are a great idea and I feel should be implemented into every new sony CLIE. they make things so much easier, involving less use of the stylus. With flexbutton, I can map the FIND button to open up any program I want. I love the backlit keyboard. I can actually type in the dark with no problems at all. On my NR70v, with heavy use, I found the thin membrane covering the keyboard got really dirty and seemed uncleanable. The TG50 uses a much better keyboard that does'nt look like its prone to getting dirty.

I actually found that I don't miss the hi-res+ screen at all. Who wants to subject their eyes to the eyestrain of an entire movie on a palm pilot anyways? The TG50 is a much more efficient and easier to use device than the NX70v, in my opinion.

in response to the CF slot, I hear that it is only compatible with third party programs, and developers are having a difficult time getting the CF slot to work with sony's proprietery software, which includes Audioplayer. So basically to me it would be of no use, as I could care less about watching movies on my palm. and any memory stick will suffice for all of my programs run through powerrun with my memory stick (doesn't take up that much room for me)

I'm sorry for the really long post, i guess I just got caught up. Try both devices, and see which one YOU like best. For me, It was the TG50. If you do like the clamshell, hi-res+, and camera of the NX70v, may I suggest you wait for the new NX series rumored to come out at the end of next month? They'll probably have better hindge designs, better camera resolution, and back lit keyboard.

Goodluck - hope this helps.

tubbycub

I still that the NX70V is better than the TG50, at least for the eye-catching part. No doubt that its bulky but it still has the WOW factor. The camera provide opportunities for you to take pictures at the most unexpected moments....come on, would you be carrying a real camera with you all the time? Guess not, but you will be carrying a PDA, at least, most of the time.

I hate the NZ90 though, it is way too bulky. I'd rather spend a bit more to substitute that with one of those ultraportable Fujitsu notebooks.