junglemike

Zork, you are again missing a point.
You can talk about codecs and standards for hours. Saying that quicktimes' implementation of mpeg-4 codec (not container) is better than other (which is not true of course, example: Xvid/divx5/nero digital/ffvfw....)
Saying that mp4 format (i.e container) is best, which is also not true. Example: mkv/ogm.

but let's forget about it, it doesn't matter. Lat's assume for a second that mp4 container is fine and quicktimes mpeg-4 codec is also fine.
The point is that Kinoma producer give just terrible, horrible quality - completely unaxaptable by any means. it is THAT simple. Have you seen my examples? you can try to encode video to 10-year old mpeg1 and you will see that it is STILL looks better than kinoma producer. I will give you an example: We all know that Xvid for example is (one of ) best codec when it comes to quality/size . I'm doint DVD rips for a long time. And in last years Xvid got so good that even 1cd rips are undistinguishable from source. But , from other point, i can write some application called "X" that will use only single pass, that will use lowest motion search precision, no b-frames, no-chroma optimization//........ and so on and so on. So , despite huge power of Xvid - my files done with "X" application will look like $hit.
This is similair what's going on with kinoma producer, even though i know that Xvid is better than qt's mp4, the difference is not THAT huge, Just think about it - in order to get "accptale quality" - i don't mean good, but acceptable , which means w/o guly squares (macroblocks) i need to pump up Kinoma's bitrate to 600kbit/s !!!! While With Xvid i can do it with 200kbit/s . And this means that i will have to buy huge sd cards . I alredy stated it in my prev. post - i said that player itself is OK, still having some buys and needing optimization, but it generally is OK. Producer is a crap. So i'm asking you for second time: What is you solution (better be freeware, ) for encoding movies for playback on kinoma player?

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jjesusfreak01

I like your signature.

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Esquilaxer

KinomaEx3 plays the a video file much better than MMplayer does. I tested this by havving 2 video files with same specifications, just different codecs. The KEx3 played MUCH better, infact, perfect a/v sync.

MMplayer = nasty

This was a scene from Dawn of the Dead, which is full of violence/action/jerky cam movments.

Using Zire72 with files at 250Kbits/sec, 22Khz 48Kbits Audio. Xvid/Mp4

bust_zork

@admins

Please, Please, Please

Dear Admins !!!

Can't Anybody Throwout This Bullshit-talkin Employee
Of Kinoma Called Zork ???????

SuperSaiyan

You do realize that you're upset about a converstaion that ended nearly 6 months ago?

daver

That's hilarious. I can't believe this thread would come back...

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jjesusfreak01

I remember this thread well. I really hated it. Just dont tip Zork off to the existence of the thread, or any continuing conversation.

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AWS

Wow! It's BACK!

Hey, how about that .66 version of TCPMP. I can't believe how well it runs on my T3. It will play back 24fps 320x240 DivX movies without a hitch. And it is FREE!

http://tcpmp.corecodec.org/about

Beats Kinoma and MMPlayer. It is coded with native OS5 code. No emulation like Kinoma and MMPlayer.

Fishie_Flop

Zork seems to have dissapeared though

treffmeister

TCPMP shows how a free project, without corporate corruption or the goal of moneymaking / profit, can easily beat those such as MMPlayer or Kinoma. Imagine the time the authors of these apps wasted on registration algorithms and the like, when they could have been improving the product.

TheNewGuy

*looks through this topic*

Wow, zork is a complete idiot. He's obsessed with the words "industry standard". And he keeps saying XviD and DivX aren't MPEG-4, then wtf does he think they are? XviD is an open source MPEG-4 ASP codec, and is the best codec available for portable devices and stand-alones. If you have plently of horsepower (a 2+Ghz PC) then x264 is the best codec, it is an open source MPEG-4 AVC codec.

I would love to see zork argue Kinoma is better than TCPMP :P Can Kinoma let my Zodiac playback these videos (or hell, even anything near this quality)? That's a rhetorical question of course, I already know the answer.

http://www.plankfilms.com/zodiac/vids/ATI_GuildWars.avi
http://www.plankfilms.com/zodiac/vids/ATI_Reloaded.avi