Puppy

As always, I *love* your Podcasts Jeff! (Even though I’m always posting stuff in disagreement )

First off, in reference to Versamail crashing, and the users being stupid for using it…Veramail *comes* with Palm’s hardware. It’s already on the Lifedrive when you buy it. Personally I don’t have much use for it, and Blazer has been very stable for me, but email now needs to be considered a core app. They need to have a high-quality, STABLE email program.

In regards to that Grassnet speed thing, IMO it looks bogus. The T5 ties the T3…but only because it wins the web browsing category. For basic PIM stuff the T3 smacks it around.

In a semi-related thing though, I’ve kind of come to the conclusion that Palm may be on to something in “only” including 416MHz CPUs on their units. Really the only thing on my Lifedrive that would be sped up is opening and closing native Office files. If it can already play 320x480 video at 30f/s, do we really need a faster, more battery hungry CPU? The only thing is, if the xScale really can slow down (I assume this requires software support?) when the extra CPU speed isn’t needed, then I wouldn’t mind a 520 or 624Mhz version.

I’d be in agreement that OS 5 could continue indefinitely, IF out of the box Palm’s handhelds were all bug free, and apps where multitasking makes sense multitasked. Ie web apps, in addition to just the media players we have now. IMO switching to a modern OS would just make everyone’s life simpler in the medium and long term.

That said, Windows Mobile handles multitasking horribly too. I loved the comments about calendar app just hanging out in the background, doing…?

I liked how OS 6 was going to do it-basically stuff had to be multithreaded, so (for example) in an email program, it only left a thread that checked email running, not the entire program. THAT makes sense to me. Much more sense than Windows Mobile. I’d love to find out the real reason we never got OS 6… (Loved the idea of media controls, etc. that can pop up in other programs too.)

I also agree with posts in this thread in regards to Windows Mobile’s basic PIM stuff being horrible. I tried switching to an Axim x50v, and just couldn’t stand it (in addition to syncing issues…) And like Scott R, I’m just waiting for Microsoft to actually FIX their UI issues/PIM apps… which WM 5 doesn’t appear to do.

PPCAPP, you said you switched from a Prism to a Windows Mobile unit for the features. Okay, fine, back in 2000 that was true (sort of), but that doesn’t have any bearing on the situation NOW. Both WM and PalmOS handle media just fine, etc., etc. I’d say the biggest difference is Palm has WAY better PIM apps, and WM has some advantages when it comes to more networking programs being able to run in the background (but some Palm apps do too).

And in regards to

If you actually OWNED a Lifedrive you’d know that most of the time you don’t get a “white screen of wait” (and I’ve never bothered with SharkCache, ‘cause I’m not paying $10 for it). It’s mostly just when switching out of a big app that’s been running for a long time to another big app-and Windows Mobile doesn’t blaze in those situations either. The rest of your comments are just bogus. The market only picks the best products. Yeah. Right. We weren’t born yesterday.

soccrnj80

I have to tell you, I'm liking the lifedrive. The "white screen of wait" is a scare tactic, it's overblown, there might be a 1 second delay opening something big for the first time, then it's in cache. I got sharkcache, he did an amazing job with it, so I support him. It allows you to put the apps you use most into cache so they open instantaneously. It is a rock solid device, watching movies using tcmp is awesome. I can use wifile and pull some "adult movies" off my network and pull it right into my lifedrive to view. The more and more I use this the better it is, I still carry my treo 650 everywhere with me, but this is a great device for a different purpose. I love being able to send mp3's and podcasts to my lifedrive from my powerbook via bt. Things are done awesome on this, battery life is better than I thought, they include a nice leather case, nicest stock case I have ever gotten with a device.

jjesusfreak01

The lag is definitely not exaggerated, but with the way Palm implemented it, it doesnt show up as much for the regular user (it does cache some things). The problem is that devices sitting in a store dont cache anything, and so when users test it, they see lag, lots of lag. If I were a store owner, I would consider installing Sharkcache on the device. Even though it might skew the users experience, it would be closer to the real experience.

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applejosh

Right on. If it was the case, then how can anyone explain Windows 95?

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Jeff Kirvin

Funny yous guys mention this. I finished writing next week's editorial earlier today, and it touches on this. I'll talk a bit about it and get more background for a possible revision in the chat tomorrow, but the article is titled: "Choice, the choice of a new generation."

PDAJah

WM sales don't look very impressive when you consider Nokia sold 5 million Smartphones (Series 60, 80 & 90) in the first quarter of 2005 (see Palmtop User Issue 11). And remember Smartphone market is just as competitive as the PDA market.

(guys, sorry to break your flow in this thread)

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soccrnj80

The treo 650 BEATS any windows mobile by a mile, even one of their own ppc fanboys uses one. He owns a ppc site and uses a treo 650, it is the BEST converged device on any platform. They even have more smartphones on the market, but even he had to go with the treo 650. He chose a palm os device running "frankengarnet", that has to tell you something about how great this smartphone is. This isn't just coming from me a treo 650 user, he wrote a review on his ppc site all about it, how palm did an amazing job with it, and they did it right.

Surur_

So why do my responses get deleted, but not the questions that get asked of me?

Is it that you refuse to be informed?

Surur

Ps: Reggie, you like playing whack-a-mole?

soccrnj80

go back to ppcthoughts, saw your post in their forum, all you do is put down palm devices. We don't refuse to be informed, we refuse to take a troll like your's information, or lack there of.

archangel

Even I bought a Series 60 smartphone to pair up with my Zodiac through bluetooth. WM was never in the running. Series 60 is limited compared to the Palm OS, but it does PIM very well and I can even use eReader and Mobipocket on it. It pairs up with a Palm OS PDA very well and it multitasks since that is so important to WM users. Except of course you can actually close the programs in Series 60 if you want to unlike WM.

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palmhiker

Jeff, I normally find some useful things in your podcasts, but this one was really just a negative rant. Are there really no exciting new applications or future Palm devices or technology to cover these days?

I have been a sometimes defender of Palm's over the years, but recently, mainly due to reading Tanker Bob's experiences in converting to a Dell Axim, I have switched over to using a Widnows Mobile device (iPAQ hx2415, great QVGA screen, dual wireless, SD/CF, 520MHz, etc.). I still own my T-C, which in my opinion is the best business-class Palm device made, but over the past few weeks the iPAQ has become my main device.

I had actually went to the store to purchase a LifeDrive (I really have to have dual wireless), but I just couldn't get past the size, and the cost. I owned a WM2002 device (Toshiba e740) and it was not quite up to snuff reliability and speed wise. The new WM2003SE devices, however, are a giant leap from that, and if you haven't tried one, I would suggest you do before totally dissing the platform. Say what you will about Microsoft, but they have brought a lot of improvements to the WM platform, and it has some really nifty features that I use more than I thought I would.

Why am I here? Well, I like to stay abreast of news that is happening in the Palm camp, and frankly, that is why I download this podcast. I also like to hear differing viewpoints, even from the likes of TVOR, Surur, and sometimes Gekko (even though his politics make me queasy )

I would love to hear **informational** podcasts, not continuous rants, and if the debates here do not degrade themelves to the point of discussing Palm programmer's sex lives, then I say resist the urge to censor differing views.

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Voice of Reason

1) Multitasking is more important in connected PDAs because they're more likely to be running apps (email, browser) that need to be kept open in the background.

2) Actually, you're wrong - Palm licensed TealLock for the Tungsten C and the Tungsten T2. http://www.tealpoint.com/softlock.htm

4) Several Sony CLIEs shipped with Data Import/Data Export which was similar to CardExport II.

- Looks like most of my points were things you felt Palm should have included. Isn't it strange how silent Kirvin has become?

OPEN YOUR EYES!!!

Voice of Reason

Picard, since you're online right now, any word whether or not Palm will be licensing The Core from you?

I would suggest you approach Palm about this if they haven't already offered to buy/license your app.

TCPMP, TealLock and BackupMan should all be standatd on EVERY Palm.

TVoR