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02-15-2007, 02:53 PM
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 | Quote: | Originally Posted by khertan "unless i misunderstood something?" C++ is just a hack to get c object oriented ... there are many things that let's many people say that c++ isn't a truely object language for example many people consider statically-typed language aren't full object oriented. But many other consider it like a real object oriented language ...
It s like the mac/pc debate ... A geek war ... |
Indeed... to both parts 
C++ is an object oriented extension to c; it allows you to write code in an object-oriented manner, but the language and compiler aren't based on objects, such as LISP or even Python are. In LISP and Python for example, you can run code recursively inside itself, debug live running code, swap out objects at runtime, re-define ANY part of the language to suit your needs, etc. C++ has no notion of lambda constructs, has stratified scoping, and has some language rules that don't persist through areas of scope.
The basic answer is that you can write fully object oriented code in C++, but the language itself is not truly object oriented.
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12-29-2007, 11:08 AM
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| Quote: | Originally Posted by potter [*]PRC tools does work under Linux. It is actually just gcc built as a cross compiler with a few additional tools.[*]Last I check PODS did not work under Linux, however since Eclipse does, and PRC Tools does I would expect one should be able to get it operational under Linux. - Since Access is moving towards Linux, I would expect them to eventually release a Linux disptribution of PODS.
[*]You can test your applications on your desktop using the Palm OS Emulator or Palm OS Simulator. - The Palm OS Emulator is available under Windows, Mac or Linux. Only supports Palm OS 1.0 through 4.X.
- The Palm OS Simulator is currently only available under Windows. Supports Palm OS 5.0 and above.
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As far as I can tell, it's still true (as posted back in February) that Access doesn't supply any way of testing Palm OS 5 apps on Linux. Or am I missing something? | |
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12-29-2007, 11:57 AM
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| They do. They released a Garnet VM emulator, which, unlike the simulator, is a full ARM emulator. It's slow, but far more powerful than the simulator.
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12-29-2007, 07:13 PM
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| Quote: | Originally Posted by phreakonaleash They do. They released a Garnet VM emulator, which, unlike the simulator, is a full ARM emulator. It's slow, but far more powerful than the simulator. |
Thru their web interface I don't see this tool. Maybe I'm following the wrong links. (Wanting to develop something to install on my Palm today, I had no reason to follow any Access Linux links). But then if you really can't install applications, what's the point anyway? Eh, maybe it's been updated since that blog entry, I'll download it and see. | |
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12-29-2007, 10:27 PM
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| You can install things on the vm....
The VM has nothing to do with ALP, it's its own entity from ACCESS like the netfront browser.
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12-30-2007, 10:48 AM
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#36 | | Palm is a 4-letter Word?
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| I have been using the DevC++ IDE system for several years. It's a no-nonsense IDE, but it does let you write code and compiles with the gcc. The developers are working on extensions for PalmOS too, but nothing yet.
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12-30-2007, 01:16 PM
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| Quote: | Originally Posted by Tomohawk I have been using the DevC++ IDE system for several years. It's a no-nonsense IDE, but it does let you write code and compiles with the gcc. The developers are working on extensions for PalmOS too, but nothing yet.
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I use DevC++ myself. I'd like to see it come to the PalmOS, but I'm very content with PRC-Tools until then.
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12-30-2007, 01:18 PM
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| Well, since prc-tools is gcc under cygwin and Dev-C++ is basically gcc under mingw (minimalist gnu for windows) plus a GUI, it should be fairly straight forward to uild prc-tools under mingw.
Heck it might work better, not being tied to cygwin so much.
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01-25-2008, 07:05 AM
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| Quote: | Originally Posted by phreakonaleash You can install things on the vm.... |
I'm going to need a hint. I can start gvm, I can start gras-client. In GC the "ping" command says the GVM is running but not accepting sessions. But I have no idea whether or not I need "sessions" - there is almost no documentation with this thing. Neither "applaunch hello1.prc" nor "dbimport hello1.prc" succeeds. Sounds like I am where you were when you wrote your blog entry that there is no way to install apps. I tried making an "autoload" folder (under GVM, under bin, and under linux_rel) and putting hello1.prc in it, and using "appswitch hello1" but that doesn't work either ("can't open session"). | |
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01-27-2008, 07:08 AM
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| Quote: | Originally Posted by _Em ANSI C is the original language, and is the successor to B (which is why it was called C). |
Oh, K&R C predated ANSI C. A verly long time ago I was interviewed on the differences between them  | |
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02-11-2008, 06:30 AM
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| Does anyone have this thing working who can walk me through it? | |
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04-06-2008, 07:31 AM
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| Quote: | Originally Posted by lordbah I'm going to need a hint. I can start gvm, I can start gras-client. In GC the "ping" command says the GVM is running but not accepting sessions. But I have no idea whether or not I need "sessions" - there is almost no documentation with this thing. | You have to launch gvm with -G (check the readme).
I tried to setup this to test if I could use it to debug ARMlets, but as the docs say, the Debug Nub does not work at all using gvm.
I guess the only way to debug ARMlets is either
A) put lots of printf's
B) build a serial cable and connect my T|X real device with the computer, then use POD ( Palm OS Debugger).
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10-14-2008, 10:11 PM
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| Just to get it clear. Is there any actual support for Palm/Garnet OS 5 App Development under Linux? (meaning, an ARM compiler, emulator, and idk what else, cmon i'm a just hobbyst empiric programmer). I'd love to program for my Palm TX, but right now, I'm just reading lots of stuff, and have SrcEdit (Source Editor), Bird (Resource Editor), and OnBoardC. But without a keyboard for my palm, this is just too much for me. I'd like to write/compile/test apps in linux.
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10-15-2008, 10:00 AM
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| Often, I edit text files on a CF card using my PC, then use CF2DOC to convert it to DOC format for OnboardC. Although I do have a keyboard for my palm, it's still much easier to type on a PC. If you have a CF card reader in your palm, it's the easiest way to go in my opinion. | |
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10-15-2008, 10:53 AM
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| Quote: | Originally Posted by nova_seph Just to get it clear. Is there any actual support for Palm/Garnet OS 5 App Development under Linux? (meaning, an ARM compiler, emulator, and idk what else, cmon i'm a just hobbyst empiric programmer). I'd love to program for my Palm TX, but right now, I'm just reading lots of stuff, and have SrcEdit (Source Editor), Bird (Resource Editor), and OnBoardC. But without a keyboard for my palm, this is just too much for me. I'd like to write/compile/test apps in linux.
Any walkthrough somewhere? |
aptitude install prc-tools wine
SImulators run under wine. prc-tools is gcc for compiling palmos apps. google prc-tools tutorial for help with make etc if you've not used it before.
Arm Native apps ARE NOT FEASIBLE under linux with prc-tools. it is possible under Metrowerks codewarrior (also runs under wine, somewhat nicely: http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManag...urnTo=&iId=4675 <-- i think a garbage rating is a little harsh, because I use it just fine under 1.13, even with breakpoints.)
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