mdicembre

I have been looking at different PDA wbsites featuring games for both the Palm OS and the Pocket PC. It appears there is much more variety and much more advanced gameplay available for the Pocket PC than for play on my NX70V. Does anyone think that gameplay on the Palm OS will ever each the level available for the Pocket PC? As a big fan of computer gaming, I would love some insight into this area.

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rhart00

there is a lot of discussion about this topic already in this forum, so if you search you can find a lot of insight. but here is a quick summary of what I think:

PPC has better game titles because "porting" games from PC to PPC is much easier than from PC to palm.

But, many of these great looking games for PPC aren't necessarily that great. neither PPC nor Palm OS PDAs were designed to be gaming machines so many of the most advanced games for PPC and Palm OS suffer from problems with control and dealing with the small screen size.

Again, search and you will find plenty of discussion about this topic.

mdicembre

rhart00,

Thanks so much for your input.

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Inginious

I have seen some of the Games that PPC has (such as Age of Empires and some sniper game)and it makes me want to buy a PPC , however i have also seen that their graphics aren't as good as the NX

For example their card games do not compare to the NX card games such as the one that Acid Freecell.

This leads me to believe that the NX has more potential than the PC, graphics wise.

I wonder what others feel about this, would you agree or disagree with me?

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quiller

PPC might *appear* to have better games, but this is just on the surface, and mostly by name. they have some traditional titles like Doom, Age of Empires, etc... however, look at the games that Palm has had for a couple years: Galactic Realms, Race Fever, SimCity, Zap2016, just to name a few. Think of the potential with the rise of OS5 and ARM-powered devices like the NX/NZ and T|T.

Also remember that while PPC has had the capability for the last two years, Palm has had both the market and the simplicity. PPC is trying to be a desktop in a 320x240 window, while PalmOS is trying to be what they are: a small computer, not meant to replace your desktop or laptop. In my opinion, the quality of games between the two platforms tips in Palm's favor, while possibly the "coolness" factor goes to PPC. However, the next year is going to see a very fast rise in OS5, ARM-powered games. Just imagine playing Zap! in 320x480 on a 400mhz Clie...

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rhart00

my thoughts exactly!

Inginious

Well said, however, what did you mean by a 400MHz Clie

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hansschmucker

The PalmSource reference design for OS5 devices forsees a 200 or a 400 Mhz processor. Funny, it doesn't forsee a 144 Mhz design like the ones used by PalmInc

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jakun

the main reason people using the palm is because the simplicity and the small form factor while the pocket pc offering much wider use-ability in term of gaming and multimedia experience...however the emergence of sony clie especially the nx series change all that even though that it using arm based processor which kind of obsolete to the ppc. however by introducing big screen on the nx, it automaticly terminate the small form factor and introduce bulky features but with a punch. but in gaming, ppc is the best...the introduction of high powered but power demanding processor enable much more graphic rich and intense gaming to be brought forward to the ppc...while in the nx series it just follow the path of ppc....for instance...the nx enable emulator to run nes games...but the ppc are working on snes...the nx are yesterday story compared to ppc....and so by saying that imagine what the nx on palm can do tomorrow...what ppc can do tomorrow will logically still supersede the palm os almost in every aspect...currently some ppc introduced into the market are getting simpler and smaller which resembles palm...remember that i mention before that palm`s upper hand is because of it form factor...for example take hp1910, acer n2 or asus my pal series...i`ve been to brighthand forum and notice that there palm user who jump ships because of the ppc form factor achieve the palm form factor....eventough that they still say that palm os is still better then why switch platform in the first place??...despite the ppc constant crashing....retail software...microsoft support thingy...power drainer....but they still go for ppc because of what it have to offer today compared to what palm will offer to you tomorrow....i love the nx form factor...the built in keyboard...camera...big screen but i dont like the os...then i have to wait for xenio i guest...and yes i tried to turn my pocket gadget into a full blown pc if possible and i like the windows like gui...so what???

quiller

jakun, from the little i could interpret, you're saying a few things:

- Palm devices have a smaller and more attractive form factor
- Palm is simpler and easier to use
- PPC is better for gaming and multimedia
- PPC have more power
- PPC is "more usable"

My arguments here are quite a few. Though there are two or three PPC models which have a good form factor, the fact remains that the great majority of Palm-powered devices are still much smaller and lighter, not to mention more affordable. Sure, the Dell Axim series cut that down a bit, but look at the Palm Zire or Sony SJ22. In fact, with the release of the T|T and TG50, there really is no side (high, middle, low ends) of the Palm market with a "bulky" size. Actually, even the NX series are smaller and lighter than the majority of iPaqs and other PPC devices.

How can the Palm OS be "simpler" but the PPC be easier to use? From every account I have ever read, including BrightHand and CNET, the consensus is the average user will have a much easier time working with Palm than PPC2002.

On to gaming and multimedia. There is no way you can say that a 320x240 movie outshines the wide-screen movie playback on the NR/NX/NZ series. In terms of audio, neither side has a true advantage. If any, Sony has a slight edge from their previous experience with audio devices-- in my personal opinion, the NX and NZ speaker (as well as with headphones) sound much crisper than any PPC I've ever heard.

Finally, we come to the power aspect. 64mb compared to 16mb, you might bring up, or 400mhz to 200mhz. Compare the fact that the average Palm OS application comes in under 200k while the average PPC application is significantly larger. The available RAM is quickly eaten up. As to processing power, the same thing applies. The Palm OS was developed with speed and portability in mind, while PPC2002, being based on Windows, is in no way taking advantage of the speed it has at its command.

I see no way to argue the PPC as a superior gaming device because it has more raw power-- the Palm OS is quickly catching up, almost faster than the PPC market is improving themselves. Give it a year or two and you're going to see Palm devices as powerful as your average PPC.

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Spiral

Some incorrect/slightly skewed points

-Galactic Realms, SimCity, Zap2016, PPC has simcity, and while zap WAS an impressive game, now it's limited by the fact its low-res (unless they released a new version recently), and i think race fever is low-res too

-wide-screen playback on a nr/nx/nz device in kinoma format is nice and big, but the downsides are that blockiness occurs, because of not super-compression

-jakun didn't say PPC was easier to use, if your ead carefully he says it crashes a lot, and me ntions all the downsides

-one place where PPC is better as a gaming device is because memory is much more easily allocated than on Palm OS

-haven't heard audio quality on ppc's (heard there use to be some skipping starting, dunno about now), but i'd much rather use wma's than atrac3, and it sounds better than mp3's at low qualities

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n2ifp

For me PPC had too many issues and it was awkward to use.

The constant lockups and resets were nerve-racking.

I switched to Palm and never looked back.

The only area was that Pocket IE seemed to work nice, until it would lock up.

I do agree, WinCE is bloatware too. To fair it's not all bad, just I think Palm now has the edge.

For years I have been saying, Palm is trying to be more PPC like and PPC is trying to be a Palm. I think the two have finally converged

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Spiral

Also...high-end ppc's now-a-days have pretty good battery life, the Toshiba e740 gets about 7 hours with backlight on medium, axim gets 8 hrs w/ backlight and 6 playing mp3's

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jakun

who knows that oneday that the perfect os will emerge from `clash of the titan`..it`s simplistic yet customiseable....it`s small yet powerfull....and bla bla bla....

Nemius

Not to be insulting, but if I really want to play games, I'll pick up a GameBoy Advance. There are a lot of games out there playable on the NX, but the leasure activities on my NX are limited to music and videos. I use my PDA as a PDA, (stressing the A). There are other toys out there for game play.

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