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Zork, you are again missing a point.
You can talk about codecs and standards for hours. Saying that quicktimes' implementation of mpeg-4 codec (not container) is better than other (which is not true of course, example: Xvid/divx5/nero digital/ffvfw....)
Saying that mp4 format (i.e container) is best, which is also not true. Example: mkv/ogm.

but let's forget about it, it doesn't matter. Lat's assume for a second that mp4 container is fine and quicktimes mpeg-4 codec is also fine.
The point is that Kinoma producer give just terrible, horrible quality - completely unaxaptable by any means. it is THAT simple. Have you seen my examples? you can try to encode video to 10-year old mpeg1 and you will see that it is STILL looks better than kinoma producer. I will give you an example: We all know that Xvid for example is (one of ) best codec when it comes to quality/size . I'm doint DVD rips for a long time. And in last years Xvid got so good that even 1cd rips are undistinguishable from source. But , from other point, i can write some application called "X" that will use only single pass, that will use lowest motion search precision, no b-frames, no-chroma optimization//........ and so on and so on. So , despite huge power of Xvid - my files done with "X" application will look like $hit.
This is similair what's going on with kinoma producer, even though i know that Xvid is better than qt's mp4, the difference is not THAT huge, Just think about it - in order to get "accptale quality" - i don't mean good, but acceptable , which means w/o guly squares (macroblocks) i need to pump up Kinoma's bitrate to 600kbit/s !!!! While With Xvid i can do it with 200kbit/s . And this means that i will have to buy huge sd cards . I alredy stated it in my prev. post - i said that player itself is OK, still having some buys and needing optimization, but it generally is OK. Producer is a crap. So i'm asking you for second time: What is you solution (better be freeware, ) for encoding movies for playback on kinoma player?

12-20-2004, 03:29 PM	#121
junglemike Registered User Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 171	Zork, you are again missing a point. You can talk about codecs and standards for hours. Saying that quicktimes' implementation of mpeg-4 codec (not container) is better than other (which is not true of course, example: Xvid/divx5/nero digital/ffvfw....) Saying that mp4 format (i.e container) is best, which is also not true. Example: mkv/ogm. but let's forget about it, it doesn't matter. Lat's assume for a second that mp4 container is fine and quicktimes mpeg-4 codec is also fine. The point is that Kinoma producer give just terrible, horrible quality - completely unaxaptable by any means. it is THAT simple. Have you seen my examples? you can try to encode video to 10-year old mpeg1 and you will see that it is STILL looks better than kinoma producer. I will give you an example: We all know that Xvid for example is (one of ) best codec when it comes to quality/size . I'm doint DVD rips for a long time. And in last years Xvid got so good that even 1cd rips are undistinguishable from source. But , from other point, i can write some application called "X" that will use only single pass, that will use lowest motion search precision, no b-frames, no-chroma optimization//........ and so on and so on. So , despite huge power of Xvid - my files done with "X" application will look like $hit. This is similair what's going on with kinoma producer, even though i know that Xvid is better than qt's mp4, the difference is not THAT huge, Just think about it - in order to get "accptale quality" - i don't mean good, but acceptable , which means w/o guly squares (macroblocks) i need to pump up Kinoma's bitrate to 600kbit/s !!!! While With Xvid i can do it with 200kbit/s . And this means that i will have to buy huge sd cards . I alredy stated it in my prev. post - i said that player itself is OK, still having some buys and needing optimization, but it generally is OK. Producer is a crap. So i'm asking you for second time: What is you solution (better be freeware, ) for encoding movies for playback on kinoma player? __________________ Arguing with an idiot, make sure he isn't doing the same