1src Forums - 1SRC Podcast FourtySix

EnsRegis

10-20-2005, 12:01 AM

I'm still downloading the podcast right now, but from the show notes: I think that the company that built Fitaly screwed up some place when they developed it. They're the only company I know of whose product is screwed up with every new device; other products like mySkin and MessagEase that change the DIA are not.

They accuse Palm of "Software Incompetence" on their site, but I'm thinking that they're the incompetent ones.

Alan G

10-20-2005, 12:12 AM

EnsRegis you bring up a really good point. I've noticed that there isn't much is the way of growing pains getting MyDIA to work on newer devices (I don't use MessageEase.) Isn't that an interesting turn of events?

Alan G

E Ben G

10-20-2005, 12:19 AM

Wondering why Alan posted this week's podcast? Listen and learn.
Good luck with your writing, Jeff.

ptc

10-20-2005, 12:49 AM

Enjoy your sabbatical Jeff, and best of luck with your writing endeavors. As Alan said, you will be missed!

rolandrsr

10-20-2005, 12:58 AM

I guess this reminds me of the old ballads out in the west about the old soldier. To paraphrase one such person, after many podcasts and editorals I now close the books and end my time and history into another phase. And to quote the old ballad old soldiers never die they just fade away. The same with old podcasters they never retire they just fade away.

JAmerican

10-20-2005, 01:07 AM

I think Palm is trying to make a Sidekick-like phone (not form-factor but software wise). The Sidekick only allowed you to download software off of their servers for high prices. This is not a smart idea for I left the Sidekick for this reason.

Enjoy your hiatus and hope to hear your podcasts Alan.

JAmerican

LupeValenz

10-20-2005, 03:00 AM

Enjoy your vacation! Hope you can find way to get time again, if not, I say slack off the sleep, who needs it anway! hehe, just kiddin ^_^. I'm real itchin to see who be fillin ya shoes while ye be away >_<.

EnsRegis

10-20-2005, 06:12 AM

Enjoy the vacation, Jeff!

Alan G

10-20-2005, 07:44 AM

LupeValenz wrote:
I'm real itchin to see who be fillin ya shoes while ye be away

That would be your friendly neighborhood Tech Talk podcaster, Alan Grassia. I also found out after last night's podcast who will be filling in on the 1SRC Editorial and I think that you will be pleased with the choice.

Alan G

strider_mt2k

10-20-2005, 08:32 AM

The DIA area should be open for any graphical input that folks want to use.
An open, universal attitude towards this stuff would have avoided these hassles from the start.
G1/G2/Fitaly shouldn't even be an issue!
Use what input style works for you and you will be more likely to use the device. -duh?
Hello, Palm? Accessability?

Jeff, I will miss your editorials and podcasts.
Don't dissapear entirely. That would be dumber.
Follow what brings you joy, and be happy.

Alan, I look forward to hearing your views on 1SRC, just as I enjoyed hearing you on The Tech Talk podcast. Welcome aboard as moderator!

Alan G

10-20-2005, 09:09 AM

strider_mt2k wrote:
G1/G2/Fitaly shouldn't even be an issue!

Xerox decided to make Graffiti 1 an issue, but I agree with you. You would think that accessability to imput methods would be a little bit easier. One of the things that I found interesting about the Pocket PC is the ability to use multiple input options. I have to admit I really didn't think about it until Jeff mentioned it in the podcast, but it is true. Pocket PC allows you to have multiple input options. Some offered by Microsoft, and others from third-parties. Maybe Palm should adopt that system for Palm OS.

Alan, I look forward to hearing your views on 1SRC, just as I enjoyed hearing you on The Tech Talk podcast.

If you've listened to my Tech Talk podcast or some of the other 1SRC podcasts I was a guest on, you'll have a good idea of how I'm going to run the show for now.

Welcome aboard as moderator!

Thank you.

Alan G

PDAJah

10-20-2005, 09:23 AM

Jeff, I haven't listened to the podcast yet but I gather you'll be spending more time authoring. This is great news as I am waiting for the next chapter of "First Contact"!

fupis

10-20-2005, 10:12 AM

Hey Jeff!
Your podcast is my #1. Every Wednesday night/ Thursday morning I am waiting for listen to it. But after 46 weeks in a row you deserve a rest to do your writings! Thanks for you very good opinions and I hope you will return to the editorial and podcast as soon as possible. And finally, good luck to Alan (I always listen you too!).

Alexandre (Brazil)

janricr

10-20-2005, 10:43 AM

Good luck on your short vacation Jeff. We're sure gonna miss your editorial and podcast every week. Hope to hear from you soon !

Hey Alan, I can't wait to see what's in store for the 1src podcast next week !

Good Luck guys ! :D

COmedic04

10-20-2005, 11:03 AM

Hey all,

I don't usually get involved in discussing 1src podcasts, or contribute much to the boards except for 3-5 posts per week, usually. The point is, 1src is what I consider a leisurely activity, something I enjoy. Quite honestly, when I hear the podcasts, read the forums/chats made/moderated and/or about Jeff and his thoughts/ideas, it is kind of frustrating. I feel that Jeff takes himself way to seriously, this should be something people enjoy to talk about, not some sort of overwhelming pressure (which is the message I get from Jeff, after all the *sighs* over leaving). It should be fun, laid back, and enjoyable! And this is exactly the feeling I get from Alan, so I'm REALLY looking forward to the upcoming 1src podcasts!! Good luck, Alan, can't wait to see where you take this!

Ryan Johnson, NREMT-P

P.S. Alan, please don't spend 30+ seconds of the podcast talking about psychotic cats... :rolleyes:

tonyk2005

10-20-2005, 11:31 AM

Jeff - really enjoy your podcasts. Hope you have a good break and make a return!

David737

10-20-2005, 12:06 PM

Jeff,
Thanks for all the good information. Enjoy your vacation. We all need a few weeks off to relax and pursue other endeavors. Hopefully (and selfishly) we are all looking forward to you coming back the 1SRC and you Handheld PDA research. Thanks for all your good information. David

bquin

10-20-2005, 12:18 PM

Jeff:

Best wishes on your sabbatical. Your podcast was the very first one I ever listened to. It got me very interested in the whole process.

I will miss you, but I know Alan will do a great job. Please come back soon...

ebernie

10-20-2005, 12:21 PM

I'll miss your podcasts, Jeff. Your podcasts are what introduced me to podcasts. Do consider recording not-so-frequent ones and not disappear altogether.

You take yourself too seriously sometimes but I find that oddly, that what makes me keep coming back to the podcasts :)

intellidryad

10-20-2005, 01:17 PM

strider_mt2k wrote:

Xerox decided to make Graffiti 1 an issue, but I agree with you. You would think that accessability to imput methods would be a little bit easier. One of the things that I found interesting about the Pocket PC is the ability to use multiple input options. I have to admit I really didn't think about it until Jeff mentioned it in the podcast, but it is true. Pocket PC allows you to have multiple input options. Some offered by Microsoft, and others from third-parties. Maybe Palm should adopt that system for Palm OS.

If you've listened to my Tech Talk podcast or some of the other 1SRC podcasts I was a guest on, you'll have a good idea of how I'm going to run the show for now.

Thank you.

Alan G

Multiple input options really aren't such a big deal. PPC has it, but the Clie has it too.

Anyone with a QVGA Clie (such as NX, NZ and TH) look at your status bar. Tap on the 4th icon from the left, and see what you get? Sony called it the Silk plugin changer, which is really a DIA/input method changer. It's there and haven't changed since the first OS5 Clie! (Excluding the wide screen UX and VZs here since the oriantation's different) You might only see Grafiti there if you've got an old model such as the NX70, but I have Grafiti, Decuma and Handdragon Chinese input in there. And that Chinese input is 3rd party. You could even get more "Silk plugins" if you look around in the Japanese Clie community.

Sony made a DIA changer, and it's a standard, unchanged from the first NXs to the TH55. And this is still PalmOS 5.x, not PPC. Sony can do it, on Palm OS. Why can't Palm?
(By the way, I think Sony's status bar and Grafiti area looks better:) )
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As to Jeff, enjoy your writing break. We'll all miss you.

Alan G

10-20-2005, 02:45 PM

janricr wrote:
Hey Alan, I can't wait to see what's in store for the 1src podcast next week !

Neither can I! =)

Alan G

Jimmie Geddes

10-20-2005, 02:55 PM

This podcast was very good, and funny. Loved Jeff's crazy cat, trying to climb a glass door,lol. I am listening to this on my new iPod. Have either of you thought of doing a video podcast? They are very cool. Apple has posted a how to.
http://www.apple.com/quicktime/tutorials/videopodcasts.html
Jeff I know what you're saying about how much time this all takes. I love writing, and know you do as well. Writing for 2 websites, and staying up to date is a passion, but also takes time. Especially when people bash you, and human nature is only to defend yourself. I've tried to limit my forum posting.
I am gonna miss you for the month, take some time to re-energize, you are a huge, and an influential person in this community. YOU BETTER BE BACK!!! Great editorials, great podcasts, great personality.
I'm keeping my eye out.

Alan G

10-20-2005, 02:58 PM

COmedic04 wrote:
P.S. Alan, please don't spend 30+ seconds of the podcast talking about psychotic cats...

Don't worry. My cat is the standard garden variety lazy cat. At any rate, I try not to take my Tech Talk podcasts too seriously and that will continue as I'm doing the 1SRC podcasts.

Alan G

Alan G

10-20-2005, 03:03 PM

Jimmie Geddes wrote:
Have either of you thought of doing a video podcast?

I was acutally thinking about asking my Tech Talk listeners if they would be interested in my doing a video podcast. That was just before Jeff contacted me about taking over the 1SRC podcast. I think that the idea of a "v-cast" is cool. The down side is that I don't have Mac and I'm not sure you guys will want to watch me pace around the room while I'm recording. Still, if you guys want it, I'll consider it further.

Alan G

Jimmie Geddes

10-20-2005, 03:30 PM

http://palmaddict.typepad.com/palmaddicts/2005/10/palm_podcasters.html
This article was my way of hinting to the 4 Palm podcasters I listen to religiously.

Jimmie Geddes

10-20-2005, 03:32 PM

I will look for a Windows solution. I am sure there is one/ or will be one very soon. Alan I'll email you any info I get.
I was amazed at how many video podcasts are out already.

webcash

10-20-2005, 04:46 PM

Jeff,
My first ever post on here and you are leaving :( all be it temporarily, i hope nay i insist.Your podcast is by far and away the best out there.Dont get me wrong Alan ,yours is my number 2 but the inane babbling and cackling laughter that is Kirvin is totally addictive.I look forward to your podcast more than any other and i can truly say I was gutted with your announcement.It is the very passion and intensity with which you research and talk that makes your show so addictive to me Have a holiday by all means but please please come back and continue to stray off topin in the way that only a kirvin can

Regards

Peter

Sharkk717

10-20-2005, 04:52 PM

Goodbye Jeff! Hope it's not for long, but on the same note I hope that you enjoy your newly discovered writing time!!

Alan, as always I'm such a fan of your podcasting abilities and i'm really looking forward to the new 1src Tech Talk 'cast!

fwiw, QuickTime Pro works on Windows :D but it will set you back $30

best regards, tyler

Alan G

10-20-2005, 04:53 PM

webcash wrote:
the inane babbling and cackling laughter that is Kirvin is totally addictive.I look forward to your podcast more than any other and i can truly say I was gutted with your announcement.It is the very passion and intensity with which you research and talk that makes your show so addictive to me

A number of us feel the same way, myself included. Jeff's manorisms are some of the best parts of the show. However, Jeff needs to pursue his interests. Life is what you make it, and if you aren't happy, what is the point.

Alan G

Legodude522

10-20-2005, 04:54 PM

"Caffine, beer, whatever you want to call it" - Jeff Kirvin

Cyker

10-20-2005, 04:57 PM

Anyone with a QVGA Clie (such as NX, NZ and TH) look at your status bar. Tap on the 4th icon from the left, and see what you get? Sony called it the Silk plugin changer, which is really a DIA/input method changer. It's there and haven't changed since the first OS5 Clie! (Excluding the wide screen UX and VZs here since the oriantation's different) You might only see Grafiti there if you've got an old model such as the NX70, but I have Grafiti, Decuma and Handdragon Chinese input in there. And that Chinese input is 3rd party. You could even get more "Silk plugins" if you look around in the Japanese Clie community.

Sony made a DIA changer, and it's a standard, unchanged from the first NXs to the TH55. And this is still PalmOS 5.x, not PPC. Sony can do it, on Palm OS. Why can't Palm?
(By the way, I think Sony's status bar and Grafiti area looks better:) )
Yeah, it's all the little tweaks like this to PalmOS that really endeared me to Sony and makes me laugh when people say the words Value Added in conjunction with Palm ;)

Sadly the Silkplugins system is woefully underused; Even those Fitaly guys who keep whining about using a standard API went with using this horrible custom overlay patch instead of using the SilkPlugin system for their Clie support :(

Alan G

10-20-2005, 05:08 PM

Sharky717 wrote:
Alan, as always I'm such a fan of your podcasting abilities and i'm really looking forward to the new 1src Tech Talk 'cast!

Thank you, sir. I'm equally impressed by your programming abilities.

fwiw, QuickTime Pro works on Windows but it will set you back $30

Consider me already set back. :D

Alan G

craigdts

10-20-2005, 05:14 PM

Jimmie Geddes wrote:

I was acutally thinking about asking my Tech Talk listeners if they would be interested in my doing a video podcast. That was just before Jeff contacted me about taking over the 1SRC podcast. I think that the idea of a "v-cast" is cool. The down side is that I don't have Mac and I'm not sure you guys will want to watch me pace around the room while I'm recording. Still, if you guys want it, I'll consider it further.

Alan G

Please don't do video, unless it will NOT interfere with me listening to the podcast on my Treo on my way to work.

Alan G

10-20-2005, 05:17 PM

Cyker wrote:
Sadly the Silkplugins system is woefully underused;

It looks like this is a page that Palm should have taken out of the Sony Clie play book.

Personally, I've always like the look and feel of Palm's devices. Im not sure why that is. My Clie NZ90 does all the things that my Tungsten T can do, and more (the Clie has a 2MP digital camera). But the Sony launcher really put me off so I switched it back to the standard one. The scroll wheel and back buttons are cool, but those features where never really important to me.

Standardization on the DIA would be nice, but I'm not sure that the majority of Palm OS users value the feature enough to compell Palm to alter the Garnet code base. The problem is that we don't yet know where Palm plans on going for their next generation of Palm OS. Will it be a rewrite of Garnet? Development of Cobalt? Probably not. Access/PalmSource Linux? Maybe. I think Windows Mobile, for the time being, will be confined to the Treo line. So where will Palm go with this?

Alan G

Alan G

10-20-2005, 05:20 PM

craigdts wrote:
Please don't do video, unless it will NOT interfere with me listening to the podcast on my Treo on my way to work.

I haven't read up yet on what you need to do build a 5th gen iPod video cast, but I suspect that it will have something to do with Apple's QuickTime 7 technology. If that is the case, you would have to have an mp3 file for the audio podcast, and probably an mpeg-4 (m4v) file for the video podcast. So it would likely end up being double the work for the podcaster. For me to even consider doing it, I would have to have a large number of requests for a video podcast.

Alan G

Dick Tracy

10-20-2005, 05:30 PM

Jeff, enjoy your change of pace. You have one month to train your cats about patio doors. Keep watching the board, there may be a new application to assist in this process, provided the cats have Bluetooth and enough RAM for install. Any ideas Tyler?

Alan, I'm looking forward to what you will bring to the cast and the chat. Will miss my Tuesday night feed though.

To both of you, good cast this week although there is something still out of whack with Jeff's audio. No video, OK. Some things are better left a mystery.

Vampire Lestat

10-20-2005, 08:36 PM

Hi Jeff,

I am not happy at all to see you "temporarily" go. I feel you are letting go of something real good. You have good news commentary entertainer skills.

Anyways, good luck.

_____________________________________________________________
Famous Palm OS podcast quotes:
If ref. to Kirvin's kitty trying to climb a glass door. "You are not a spider!"

Jimmie Geddes

10-20-2005, 11:51 PM

Jeff,
I am also unhappy with your departure. You always made me crack up laughing out loud on most of your podcasts, I am hoping this is a temporary thing. You're really an influential person in our community, and should be VERY PROUD of 46 podcasts, and the name you've made for yourself!! All your brilliant, controverisal, thought provoking editorials, as well as your participation in the forums and 1src chat, are very much appreciated. Gosh, I feel like I am saying goodbye to you Kirvin. This BETTER not be the case for too long, but write your heart out. Writing is such a release and a high, it brings so much enjoyment. I wish you the best, but like I said you BETTER be back!!! You've got a personality like no other in this community, and I've got much respect for you. Take care.
Jimmie

BSR

10-21-2005, 12:43 AM

Damn! Finally got me to de-lurk, and post something. I will definitely miss your unique perspective, Jeff. Good luck with the writing, and if you're ever down in the Springs, lunch is on me.

BSR

Cyker

10-21-2005, 03:07 AM

Cyker wrote:It looks like this is a page that Palm should have taken out of the Sony Clie play book.

Personally, I've always like the look and feel of Palm's devices. Im not sure why that is. My Clie NZ90 does all the things that my Tungsten T can do, and more (the Clie has a 2MP digital camera). But the Sony launcher really put me off so I switched it back to the standard one. The scroll wheel and back buttons are cool, but those features where never really important to me.
Me too; I far preferred the original PalmOS launcher - It's just far more simple and usable!
As for the Jog/Back, I must admit I use it extensively! ;)

Standardization on the DIA would be nice, but I'm not sure that the majority of Palm OS users value the feature enough to compell Palm to alter the Garnet code base. The problem is that we don't yet know where Palm plans on going for their next generation of Palm OS. Will it be a rewrite of Garnet? Development of Cobalt? Probably not. Access/PalmSource Linux? Maybe. I think Windows Mobile, for the time being, will be confined to the Treo line. So where will Palm go with this?

Alan G
With the DIA, I'd say they will go down the typical Palm route and not do anything with it.
In the meantime, I'm tending to agree with Jeff that they seem to be pushing the Linux side of things.
The hiring of Linux programmers and their recent joining of the OSDL all seem to point to this.

Will Linux actually do anything useful for them? That's another question... it will probably break a LOT of applications when/if it comes out unless they make their emulator a lot more compatible.
Additionally, it adds yet another layer (Linux -> ARM/POSE -> NVFS), which will cause yet more headaches for anyone developing system patches etc., unless Palm learn from their mistakes and document their system better. I'm not too optimistic of this...

Alan G

10-21-2005, 07:00 AM

Cyker wrote:
The hiring of Linux programmers and their recent joining of the OSDL all seem to point to this.

Becareful here. Are we talking about Access/PalmSource or Palm, Inc? Palm is hiring Linux programmers. Based on the job descriptions posted on the Palm site, I suspect that Palm is already working on Linux smartphones and feature phones. It was Access/PalmSource that joined OSDL (http://www.1src.com/headlines/show/001280.html).

Alan G

Cyker

10-21-2005, 02:41 PM

Oops, my bad ;)

It's related, since PalmSource will be making the Linux port while Palm will be doing the shoe-horning, but thanks for catching that slip ;)

It was so easier on my brain when Palm was just Palm!! ;)

ojleblanc

10-22-2005, 08:21 AM

Jeff, your podcast was the first I ever listened to and it quickly became the standard-bearer-- good information, good humor, great host!

I hope you can return to the podcast while pursuing your other interests. Perhaps one way to do so is to move to a twice-a-month schedule, though I know the actual recording of the podcast is but one component of the work.

My very best to you, and thank you for your great work!

archangel

10-22-2005, 01:15 PM

I fall in to the catagory of people that really did not like the way Kirvin does podcasts. He contradicts himself week to week and acts like a child when people disagree with him. His rants went from cute in the beginning to stomach turning over the last few months. I for one am happy Alan is taking over.

I just had to take a break from the Kirvin butt kissing to tell the truth many people probably are thinking but wont post. A break even for a month will be great. I might actually get through a few podcasts now.

ojleblanc

10-22-2005, 02:09 PM

Why label people's expressions of appreciation for someone's work "butt kissing?" Like anything, some people like Jeff's podcasts and others don't. But when I unsubscribe from a podcast (as I have done from several of them), I feel no need to post to a public forum to say so! Still, I won't label your criticisms of the 1src podcast as anything other than what they are, your criticisms...

PDAJah

10-22-2005, 02:26 PM

Just for the record, I really enjoy Jeff's podcasts and he will be missed. Jeff, have a good break.

smoothjordan

10-22-2005, 05:32 PM

Have fun writing Jeff, be sure to get with a lot of ladies on your break :) GO Alan GO!!

Ballajura

10-23-2005, 12:54 AM

Jeff's podcast was the first I ever listened to, and I have looked forward to these each and every week. They are a great distraction on the way home from work, and I have always found them interesting, informative and always entertaining. I don't always agree with Jeff's point of view; but it is his opinion. Hey...I bought an NX80 as my first palm device 18 months ago, and 1SRC and Jeff have been invaluable in building my knowledge and useability for this device, and the Palm world in general. As a CLIE owner I take no offence at Jeff about his remarks. This device suits my needs perfectly.

I look forward to hearing Alan in future 1SRC podcasts and wish Jeff all the best for a well deserved break. Take care mate!

daver

10-23-2005, 07:12 PM

just finished listening to the podcast...

Speaking of podcasts, I'll be looking forward to listening to Alan's podasts! Most people say that change isn't good... I'm impartial, but if it does Jeff good, then I'm all for it.

We'll definitely miss you Jeff - at least I know I will. I'll be missing your editorials and podcasts, that's for sure. Best of luck to you, and enjoy your time off!

Barloo

10-26-2005, 04:45 PM

Jeff,

I just wanted to say a big thanks for the last 46 podcasts and hope you can find the time to make some more in the future. No mater if your casts have informed or infuriated they have never ceased to entertain. I had got in the habit of burning them to CD over the weekend to listen to on my MP3 car stereo and they never failed to brighten up the most dreary traffic filled Monday commute.

I feel that Jeff takes himself way to seriously, this should be something people enjoy to talk about, not some sort of overwhelming pressure

I would have to disagree here. If you can be accused of anything it's a passion for both palm and it's user comunity which was evident from the very first cast.

Alan sure has a lot to live up to but I am sure he is man enough for the job.

Hope to see you back soon! ;)

David
London, England