Daylight Savings Toggle

[bobbd]

Not sure who to blame for this one. Sony for not being obvious, or myself for being thick/slow/too clever.

I thought that the "Daylight Saving" entry in Date & Time prefs was to indicate whether you wanted the Clie to automatically change for Daylight Savings time. Turns out that it indicates whether you're on Daylight Savings time or not. Since i wanted the Clie to change automatically, I set it to On when I got my Clie in December.

This morning, the time had not been changed. When I started playing with it, I noticed that once I had set the proper time, if I toggled Daylight Saving, it would change the time back and forth one hour.

So "Daylight Saving" indicates whether or not you are currently on daylight savings time, not whether you want it done.

Seems to me that if it changes automatically and all you're doing is indicating whether the current time is on daylight savings, it should be smart enough to know that on its own. Sigh.

Bob

[elf]

Install DSTHack (if you can live with Hacks) for automatic DST. I checked this morning, and it worked like a charm.

The rules for DST are varied and complicated depending on where you are on the globe.

[*YellowRose*]

Another terrific program that will automatically make the change for you is TIMECOPY (http://www.palmgear.com/software/showsoftware.cfm?sid=348B2E0E-D3B4-4B74-82EE006899D785F7&prodID=20154) . It's a terrific program and freeware to boot. It automatically syncs your pda time to your computer time . . .

[mochant]

Originally posted by *YellowRose*
Another terrific program that will automatically make the change for you is TIMECOPY (http://www.palmgear.com/software/showsoftware.cfm?sid=348B2E0E-D3B4-4B74-82EE006899D785F7&prodID=20154) . It's a terrific program and freeware to boot. It automatically syncs your pda time to your computer time . . .
Worked like a charm on my NR70! Thanks for the link.

[Jag]

I agree with YellowRose - TimeCopy is a nice little program and it works like a charm.

[elf]

It may not matter much to you, but it matters to me; it's "Daylight Saving Time" not "Savings".

Please see:

http://webexhibits.org/daylightsaving/

[Lee]

Originally posted by *YellowRose*
Another terrific program that will automatically make the change for you is TIMECOPY (http://www.palmgear.com/software/showsoftware.cfm?sid=348B2E0E-D3B4-4B74-82EE006899D785F7&prodID=20154) . It's a terrific program and freeware to boot. It automatically syncs your pda time to your computer time . . .

I like Time Copy too, in conjunction with Atomic Clock Sync which will synch my computer with the US Naval Observatory Atomic Clock - I like accuracy! :D

[kidfixer]

I installed DST Panel (http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Cable/5206/dstpanel104.zip) and it works for me. It is a 7 Kb preference extension that does the updating for you. It inserts itself in the Preference app, os look for it there.

I had installed a similar thing on my desktop, it would sync with an atomic clock, then timecopy would sync my palms' clock. All seemed ok for a while, but my memopad conduit became corrupted, and I blamed it for that - it was the last app I had installed. I may be wrong, but if you see that some of your memos are not syncing correctly, you might try this other app.

 

[bobbd]

Originally posted by *YellowRose*
Another terrific program that will automatically make the change for you is TIMECOPY (http://www.palmgear.com/software/showsoftware.cfm?sid=348B2E0E-D3B4-4B74-82EE006899D785F7&prodID=20154) . It's a terrific program and freeware to boot. It automatically syncs your pda time to your computer time . . .
Syncing to the computer is not necessarily a good thing unless you're getting your computer to sync with another time standard. My Clie keeps much better time than my computer.

Bob

[bobbd]

Originally posted by elf
It may not matter much to you, but it matters to me; it's "Daylight Saving Time" not "Savings".
Please see:
http://webexhibits.org/daylightsaving/
You are absolutely right. Pardon my abuse of the English langauge. And I'm serious.

Bob

[bobbd]

To all who replied, I do have DSTHack. I used it on my Palm IIIc which did not have any Daylight Saving Time adjustment or setting.

The question is why do I need DSTHack if my Clie has a setting. Does the Clie not change the time for you automatically? In which case, why bother with a setting switch?

Bob

[narnia_77]

Originally posted by kidfixer
I installed DST Panel (http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Cable/5206/dstpanel104.zip) and it works for me. It is a 7 Kb preference extension that does the updating for you. It inserts itself in the Preference app, os look for it there. I've been using this program for years, and it works great. My PDA had the correct time when I got up this morning - without me doing a thing. Is anyone using this program on a OS5 PDA? I would like to know if this program is something I can continue to use when I upgrade to a PDA with an ARM processor...

[narnia_77]

Originally posted by bobbd
The question is why do I need DSTHack if my Clie has a setting. Does the Clie not change the time for you automatically? In which case, why bother with a setting switch?

Bob I believe the Clie setting is a manual switch that jumps the time up one hour when it is turned on, and back when it is turned off - not automatic. Based on my use of DST Panel, the Clie probably wouldn't know when to automatically change the time - it varies in different regions of the world. DST Panel has an entire setup screen where you can choose the time and day that Daylight Saving Time starts and ends where you are located. I've always wondered why someone hasn't bought the program and incorporated it into all PDA's...

[*YellowRose*]

Originally posted by bobbd

Syncing to the computer is not necessarily a good thing unless you're getting your computer to sync with another time standard. My Clie keeps much better time than my computer.

Bob Well, I, like Lee, sync my computer on a regular basis with an Atomic Clock. It's VERY cool . . . I'm rarely off by more than a few seconds . . .

[wellsjs]

Originally posted by bobbd
Syncing to the computer is not necessarily a good thing unless you're getting your computer to sync with another time standard. My Clie keeps much better time than my computer.Add to that the issue of those of us who sync between two PCs (work/home)! :eek:

I "atomic time sync" my Clie using WorldMate. My home PC (Windows XP Home OS) is set to automatically sync. My office PC is network admin controlled, so I leave it alone and do not and would not rely on it.

DST Panel sounds like the way to go for worry-free Daylight Saving Time management! :)

[wellsjs]

Originally posted by bobbd
Syncing to the computer is not necessarily a good thing unless you're getting your computer to sync with another time standard. My Clie keeps much better time than my computer.Add to that the issue of those of us who sync between two PCs (work/home)! :eek:

I "atomic time sync" my Clie using WorldMate. My home PC (Windows XP Home OS) is set to automatically sync. My office PC is network admin controlled, so I leave it alone and do not and would not rely on it.

DST Panel sounds like the way to go for worry-free Daylight Saving Time management! :)

[Denis]

There is another choice which I have used for several years. It's a stand alone app (not a hack) named ClockFix by Thomas Chapman. It has worked flawlessly on my string of Palm devices through my m505, and then on my NR70 and now my NZ90.

There is no problem hotsyncing to multiple pc's because it doesn't depend on the time the pc uses.

Just two clock calibrations spaced a few days apart is enough to keep any device I've used synced within a fraction of a second to a radio controlled atomic clock I use. And the PalmOS device stays correct for months at a time. Longer interval calibrations can do even better.

It also controls DST. The setting rules are adjustable for whatever your location.

It's shareware, but well worth the small price. I originally downloaded it through Palmgear, but am not currently patronizing them because of their requirement to login to download demos.

Give ClockFix a try.

Denis

[bobbd]

Well, I guess I was misled by the fact of a switch being there plus the documentation. I used DSHack on my Palm IIIc and will use it again. I really don't know why Sony bothered with the switch if it isn't automatic.

Bob

[eric2002]

so I am still confused,, what does "day light saving time" toggle switch on our Clie's do? what is the difference between switching it to "on" or "off"???

[Lee]

Originally posted by eric2002
so I am still confused,, what does "day light saving time" toggle switch on our Clie's do? what is the difference between switching it to "on" or "off"???

The way I understand it, it just changes your relationship to GMT (Greenwich Mean Time), and for any other zones you're using in international clocks that also switch to DST.

[wellsjs]

Originally posted by narnia_77
I believe the Clie setting is a manual switch that jumps the time up one hour when it is turned on, and back when it is turned off - not automatic.

[rldunn]

It's a lot more obvious what it does on Clies that have a status bar, because you can see the time on the status bar change by an hour when you change the setting. I don't blame others for being confused about this.

[msanto]

These solutions are all fine, but you would think, after all this time, they could get the OS to auto adjust at DST, just as Windows has done for a long time ...

[kstuart]

Does DST Panel engage the existing DST toggle or does it separately increase/decrease the time by one hour, and leave the DST toggle alone?

[narnia_77]

Originally posted by kstuart
Does DST Panel engage the existing DST toggle or does it separately increase/decrease the time by one hour, and leave the DST toggle alone? It's a separate setting. I leave the Clie's "Daylight Saving" toggle set to Off.

Has anyone tried it on an OS5 PDA?

[Narniahopper]

Just tried DST Panel on my NZ90. I can't say for sure that it will work when the time change comes around, but it looks like it SHOULD work. It's set up and ready to go, in theory.

[Ronbot]

aDSTKeeper also automatically adjusts your PDA time for DST changes, and integrates into the standard Prefs applet.