Here's the TX!!

[SoS]

Scats just posted this over on PIC...someone has a TX already!!

Tungsten TX (http://www.mobile01.com/topicdetail.php?f=62&t=105957&last=754306)


have fun!!

[Joel]

Mobile01 shows us the first pictures of the Tungsten TX. [details (http://www.1src.com/?m=show&id=1261)]

[T-Man]

So far it looks better than I thought. I like the new Palm logo screen.

[strider_mt2k]

Not a bad looker at all!

[Arc Light]

Three years ago, a 480 x 320 screen and wifi capable palm was something you could only dream about. Now it's here. Ahhhhh the advancement ot technology, what can the future possibly hold?

[T-Man]

And imagine what we'll have in another three years. :)

[speak2u]

Anybody got one that the less worldly of us can read? :confused:

[dragonsgames]

It is ok. I mean, why did it take so long? Not a big deal now. A couple of years ago, WiFi and Bluetooth were not needed, and would have been cool. But since almost all devices have them now, it doesn't matter.

[T-Man]

Yeah, can we get a translator in case theres something new in it?

[strider_mt2k]

Three years ago, a 480 x 320 screen and wifi capable palm was something you could only dream about. Now it's here. Ahhhhh the advancement ot technology, what can the future possibly hold?

Of course these features were being offered on the Sony Clie PEG-TH55 a year and a half or so ago, so the dream actually came true a little while ago.

Palm would SO love for us to forget that. :rolleyes:

What you are actually seeing is Palm's turn at "advancement of technology", as always a bit late to the line.

Hopefully not without a few lessons learned, however!
No early adopter I, but I will watch this closely, as it stacks up pretty well!

[dragonsgames]

The TH55 is better than the TX :)

[Tam Hanna]

Lets see if:
a)The screen bhizzes
b)The power button breaks
c)other typical PalmOne problems

Honestly now, has Palm Inc ever got a truly flawless product out to the market after the III. Their stuff is good, but it usually has a real achilles heel. Anyways, since the achilles heel always is the same...

[dragonsgames]

If it is flawless, it is not a Palm PDA. :)

[Pdaman]

Of course these features were being offered on the Sony Clie PEG-TH55 a year and a half or so ago, so the dream actually came true a little while ago.

Palm would SO love for us to forget that. :rolleyes:

What you are actually seeing is Palm's turn at "advancement of technology", as always a bit late to the line.

Hopefully not without a few lessons learned, however!
No early adopter I, but I will watch this closely, as it stacks up pretty well!True, palm is so slooow moving forward in technology :( Personally, i'm waiting much more from palm than new tungsten with 320x480 screen and wlan :(.

I waiting atleast 18bit color screens or like psp 24bit screen. Also with camera and with palm os cobalt which we have waited for ages now!

I have had even feeling that palm doesn't even do anything in their company! Lifedrive was quite big jump i gotta admit from for example t3 but still it wasn't the perfect pda. More full of bugs and problems filled gadget without palm os cobalt.

Hard to say but i have to admit also that palm os is going to die. I'm sure about it even now when it has come to official point. I mean that now palm is going change it's systems basis to ppc system :(. At this point we don't know does palm even produce any palm os based devices except this.

[Dick Tracy]

Wonder if Find works properly.

[dragonsgames]

Palm needs to get them-selves together :mad:

[LANDROS]

Please can i have the difference between the TX and the LifeDrive???

[Vishalca]

Great!

Now let's see if Palm can convert the cost appropriately to Canadian dollars; not using rates from 1995! :rolleyes:

[Robyr]

Main difference? No HDD.
Other differences? that remains to be seen, hopefully theyll have hammered the bugs out of this scrap heap. Way to go palm, reuse and abuse a crummy form factor! If they were gonna do this, i would take a Vx form over this, or, go to the extreme and design a LD/TH55 hybrid form, boxy, yet thin, and suprisingly curvy.

[blues]

The TX looks sweet! Seems much smaller than the Lifedrive.

[dmitrygr]

translation: http://world.altavista.com/babelfish/trurl_pagecontent?lp=zt_en&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mobile01.com%2Ftopicdetail.php%3Ff%3D62%26t%3D105957%26last%3D754306

[Robyr]

Smaller, yes, but that flared edge is horrid, Id rather have a straight rectangle

[Cyker]

It looks like a darker T|5 with WiFi but less Flash and CPU

[WebServant]

The translation indicates that this is a US buyer ... and he went to Best Buy with a 10% off coupon. They gave him the discount! More of the translation at www.exectechnews.com

[intellidryad]

Here's some stuff worthy of notice:
1. He said he bought it at Bestbuy!!!
He just happened to notice the TX box under the PDA/MP3 player shelf, and asked if he could buy it. He bought it for 299 with a Bestbuy 10% off coupon. You guys in the US wanna go and try peeking around your local Bestbuys for the TX? :D

2. There's 101MB avaliable of the 128MB memory. But all of it is used as NVFS RAM, so, unlike the T5, there's no partition where you could use as a flash drive.
(But who needs 101MB of RAM? Crazy...)

I guess the rest of it is just as we've already known. There's not that much a difference to the T5.

How ever, this one sure looks great :) (I'm a sucker for black gadgets)
But hay, a reply on Mobile01 said just what I was thinking: Palm took years to release this product that's just similar to the Clie TH55... like come on, Palm, you should've did faster then that.
---
And a final note, PDA247 mentioned this post on Mobile01 as a "Japanese site" while it's actually a Taiwanese site. :P

[SoS]

seems like no Drive Mode...consistent with no storage NVFS partition. Maybe not so great after all. As someone said, why would anyone need 100Mb RAM in addition to pre-installed stuff and OS....

[JAmerican]

Wow, very very very much unimpressive. Basically the T5 with WiFi. Something like this would have been nice if it were released around the time the T5 was released. Funny how many companies are coming out with products that are the same but are darker. Sharp Zaurus released a SL-C3100 which is a black version to the C3000. Sony was the opposite. They always released a lighter device, which had more functionality but didn't look as cool most of the time.

BTW, I bet you guys all the money in the world, the TX is the last of the Tungsten series and that the Mobile Managers will take over from now on.

JAmerican

[ddvitale]

I would be surprised if Palm released this unit for $299. $399 would be more like it.

But anyway, Palm should be ashamed for releasing this while all the time we're still suffering with the plethera of problems with the LifeDrive.

[Zano2004]

I'm not so sure that the LifeDrive wasn't a mistake. I tried one. It's a slug! Put a 2 or 4 gig SD Card in a TX and you've got a LifeDrive and the TX has got to be a lot faster. The TX is still underwhelming though. WiFi is nice for those who would use it. My T5 and 1 gig SD Card are serving me real nicely and my Treo 650 is keeping me as connected as I need and it's everywhere, not just here or there.

Palm is giving me fewer and fewer reasons to upgrade.

[Dick Tracy]

@JA, there is no more Tungsten series, just like there is no more Zire series. There are now three product groups: Treo, handhelds, LifeDrive. Sorry that none match your cherished Sony formfactor or finish.

@DDVitale, $299 is a sweet spot; $399 moves too slow. I think this is part of the thinning of handhelds as the E2 and T5 are now both discounted and no solid indications of a Z72 replacement exist. I'm with Jeff in thinking the LifeDrive is a test for the secret new product line alluded to in the Hawkins interview several months ago. There might be an Update soon if other posters are betting correctly. IMO and experience, most of my problems have been of my own making, usually inappropriate third party software.

[T-Man]

All the problems I can think of have also been my fault. Of course I still probably had a few unexpected problems that wasnt myt fault.

[JAmerican]

@JA, there is no more Tungsten series, just like there is no more Zire series. There are now three product groups: Treo, handhelds, LifeDrive. Sorry that none match your cherished Sony formfactor or finish.

@DDVitale, $299 is a sweet spot; $399 moves too slow. I think this is part of the thinning of handhelds as the E2 and T5 are now both discounted and no solid indications of a Z72 replacement exist. I'm with Jeff in thinking the LifeDrive is a test for the secret new product line alluded to in the Hawkins interview several months ago. There might be an Update soon if other posters are betting correctly. IMO and experience, most of my problems have been of my own making, usually inappropriate third party software.

As I said earlier, the reason the Treo sold so well is because of its keyboard as well as its connection to a network. I know a lot of people with PDAs and often times, they tell me they want a keyboard device like I have because using the stylus to write is difficult. Palm should follow or talk to HTC about making a device like the HTC Wizard. Look at this review...

http://www.geek.com/hwswrev/pda/wizard/index.htm

The Wizard kills the Treo you know why. Because people like wider screens not cramped 320x320 screens and cramped keyboards. The Treo sold so well once released because there was no device that had a keyboard and a network. As well as Cingular advertised it like crazy after their merger with AT&T and to spread their gimick "Raising the Bar." Now that HTC has released many of these type of device for WM, that will change. WM Treo will have to compete against the large screens and keyboard of the Wizard and Universal. I do not assimilate myself to products becasue nothing is available, like many people have with the Treo. I wait it out until a device comes along that I can upgrade to. Then I make my move. Right now, I don't care if the OS in WM because Palm's device form-factors are getting on my nerves.

JAmerican

[craigdts]

http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS5058819583.html

What do you think Jeff . . . this is truly Palm line of treo devices. Good . . . better . . . best.

[strider_mt2k]

Hey, at least we have more new stuff to chat about in the 1SRC chat at 9:00 eastern time!

See you all there! :)

[craigdts]

With the news of the Palm (palmsource assisted?) LInux powered Treo . . . I think now we know why 325 mil for Palmsource.

[JAmerican]

With the news of the Palm (palmsource assisted?) LInux powered Treo . . . I think now we know why 325 mil for Palmsource.

Yes. A lot will be said at the chat.

JAmerican

[JLCarneiro]

2. There's 101MB avaliable of the 128MB memory. But all of it is used as NVFS RAM, so, unlike the T5, there's no partition where you could use as a flash drive.
(But who needs 101MB of RAM? Crazy...)
I beg to differ... I don't think 101MB is too much.

For example, Edge (http://www.rzanerutledge.com/edge/index.html) will require 6MB to 14MB depending on the installed options. I mean, Palm applications still are smaller than PPC ones but both are getting bigger!

Besides, even the fastest SD card can't beat internal RAM, can it? :confused:

[TMann]

Geez, you guys! It's starting to sound like PalmInfoCenter around here with all of the negative karma being thrown around about this device! We haven't even seen the darn thing yet!

Here's my admittedly-optimistic two cents:

We finally have a slim, tablet-style PDA with Wi-FI and Bluetooth. Even though it's not VGA, it does have a high-res screen. Palm has already had some experience with non-volatile memory, (T5) and managing Wi-Fi and Bluetooth in the same device, (LD,) so there is at least a reasonable chance that this device will be fairly stable when it comes out. The TE/T5/Tx form factor has aged quite well. IMHO, it is just as attractive as any other tablet out there. (And I have an x50v!) And most importantly, Palm appears to have finally gotten a clue, as it appears that this device will be priced at $299. At the $300 price point, this TX will compare very favorably with any other PDA out there.

Anyways, I realize that his might not work out as well as I'm making it out to be. But, hey, it's Saturday night...I'm have a glass of wine in my hand...I'm in a good mood, and I feel like being a bit optimistic for a while. :D

Thanks for your time. Now back to your regular programming...

TMann

[cesarcardoso]

It looks like a late TH55, it looks like a reincarnated T5... but at 299 dollars, it has a REAL chance to be a winner. ;)

[cktlcmd]

It looks good, but can the battery last longer this time? Plus there is no camera. :(

[PalmTE2goingWM5]

Could someone provide specific info ?
Below is data on HP rx 1950. I use Palm TE2. Looking for a larger screen + WIFI.

(Please spare the dark side comments - I will switch to WM5, matter of do it now or do it later, I've read the comments on PalmOS itself being sold to the dark side, dislike outlook PIM but must be done)

and I quote:
"HP's first Windows Mobile 5.0 introductory level Pocket PC is a winner. It's got good looks, an impossibly thin design, an excellent display and WiFi wireless networking. Gone is last year's harshly angular HP design for consumer-oriented PDAs: with the rx1950 they've returned to the more attractive days of old, with a design that harks back to the ever-popular iPAQ 1940. HP learned their lesson with last year's poorly received introductory level rz1715 which was lacking both in looks and features for the price. The rx1950 delivers style and bang for the buck. At $299, currently the lowest price you'll find for any Windows Mobile 5 Pocket PC (Dell's base model is priced the same), the rx1950 makes a good value proposition."

[tk_421]

And why "must" you switch to WM5? The Tx is a much better choice than the new HP. It has twice the resolution, and the beautiful and powerful Palm PIM, and the numerous third party PIM apps as well.


Palms will also gain native pdf support soon. Ever tried reading a pdf on a 320x240 screen? HVGA is the minimum for confortable reading. (I find VGA way too sharp, and painful for my eyes, so HVGA is perfect for me.) PDF support on Palm should be much better than it is on PPC. Adobe Reader is a terrible app, and VERY slow in VGA. So much that it is unusable. Also, Netfront will be coming to Palm OS very soon, and can easily be hacked on current devices.


The TX is only lacking a voice recorder. I will get myself a casio exilim ex-s100 which I will use to take quick snapshots and as a voice recorder as well, and my mobile office should be pretty good. The next LifeDrive should solve all my remaining problems when it is released next Spring.


Palm will go up, an this CHEAP TX will be a hot seller. Ipaqs are hardly selling nowadays. Overpriced and uninspired designs, and ugly low res screens. (Except the discontinued hx4700).


Palm is doing the smart thing with the TX. A CHEAP 480x320 wi-fi device with a new better screen, and 128MB of non-volatile RAM? With native pdf support comming by the end of the month? It might be a bit late, but at that price, it is pretty impressive nonetheless. The TX will be a fantastic productivity tool.


I tried switching to PPC too. I just hated it. Such a messy interface. Some features are nice, but so badly implemented, I didn't care about them. So I didn't get the hx4700 as I had planned. Better get the TX and a card camera for that price. My life is a mess without the Palm PIM. So what if Textmaker has more functions that Docs to go? It won't change my life at all. PPCs have TERRIBLE landcape mode as well. Palm's is highly usable.


Palm is not switching to WM5. They just decided to offer a martphone with that operating system, that's all. There will also be a Treo running Palm OS soon, perhaps even Cobalt. Just choose hat works best for you, don't switch because other people are. That is not the way to be productive in life.


I wish you good luck with WM5 if you really want to make the switch. I am just too excited about the catching up game that Palm is doing now to switch. Wi-fi will be on all new Palms, screens are getting better, the LifeDrive could get a stability fix before the Holidays, a Japanese company bought Psource (hello japanese devices!!), and Plinux will be out to developpers next year. Things are looking good to me.


If by next year, the TX2 has a voice recorder added, or a 480x320 Zire with VC and camera and wi-fi is out, then Palm will ahve won the catch up game. It just might have been worth the wait afterall.

[tempest929]

Could someone provide specific info ?
Below is data on HP rx 1950. I use Palm TE2. Looking for a larger screen + WIFI.

(Please spare the dark side comments - I will switch to WM5, matter of do it now or do it later, I've read the comments on PalmOS itself being sold to the dark side, dislike outlook PIM but must be done)

and I quote:
"HP's first Windows Mobile 5.0 introductory level Pocket PC is a winner. It's got good looks, an impossibly thin design, an excellent display and WiFi wireless networking. Gone is last year's harshly angular HP design for consumer-oriented PDAs: with the rx1950 they've returned to the more attractive days of old, with a design that harks back to the ever-popular iPAQ 1940. HP learned their lesson with last year's poorly received introductory level rz1715 which was lacking both in looks and features for the price. The rx1950 delivers style and bang for the buck. At $299, currently the lowest price you'll find for any Windows Mobile 5 Pocket PC (Dell's base model is priced the same), the rx1950 makes a good value proposition."

The rx1950 is definitely not an upgrade over HPs past devices. Its identical to the older ipaq 4155 except with less ram and no bluetooth, but with WM5. The sceen on it will probably be larger in area than the one on your E2, but its at a lower resolution. The TX will have both a larger screen and higher resolution.

[tempest929]

Palms will also gain native pdf support soon. Ever tried reading a pdf on a 320x240 screen? HVGA is the minimum for confortable reading. (I find VGA way too sharp, and painful for my eyes, so HVGA is perfect for me.) PDF support on Palm should be much better than it is on PPC. Adobe Reader is a terrible app, and VERY slow in VGA. So much that it is unusable. Also, Netfront will be coming to Palm OS very soon, and can easily be hacked on current devices.

I have used a qvga screen and find it easily readable. Haha c'mon...a vga screen is too sharp? Then make the text bigger, it isn't too hard. I've used all 3 screen sizes to read (qvga, hvga, and vga) and don't find much of a difference unless you want to make your text super small...in which case vga is best. The areas that I find the screen resolution to be more important are web browsing, watching videos, viewing pictures, and reading if you want to shrink your text. And Adobe Reader is not very slow on my vga ppc.


Palm will go up, an this CHEAP TX will be a hot seller. Ipaqs are hardly selling nowadays. Overpriced and uninspired designs, and ugly low res screens. (Except the discontinued hx4700).



So many misconceptions.....the 4700 wasn't discontinued, that was a mistake in the European stores. Ipaqs are still selling, and they will always have their fan base. There's just a little more competion now against dell and other ppc manufacturers. QVGA screens can really be quite nice...look at the Toshiba e755. I wouldn't call them ugly.




I tried switching to PPC too. I just hated it. Such a messy interface. Some features are nice, but so badly implemented, I didn't care about them. So I didn't get the hx4700 as I had planned. Better get the TX and a card camera for that price. My life is a mess without the Palm PIM. So what if Textmaker has more functions that Docs to go? It won't change my life at all. PPCs have TERRIBLE landcape mode as well. Palm's is highly usable.


All personal opinion that I would completely disagree with....except in this case I too would recommend the TX over the 1950. PPC's landscape is just as usable.

[tk_421]

I tried a VGA PPC for two weeks, and my eyes hurt because it really was too sharp. I find QVGA unusable for viewing pictures.

Color reproduction and contrast are also really important. The only really nice PDA screen is on the hx4700. (where have you read that it was a mistake? I haven't read this anywhere. http://www.ipaqhq.com/forums/showthread.php?t=22839 ) That screen has perfect color and almost perfect contrast. The Dell screens are hideous, VGA or not. The Zire 71 and original T3 had gorgeous screens, but unfortunately they were replaced by horrible sharp screens.


I don't know who makes the new palm screens, but they are much better than the last generation, although not as nice as Zire 71 and T3. They are quite crisp, and the colours are (over)saturated, and okay. (not good enough for me, but they get a "passing grade". )


PPC landscape is hardly usable. With the two bars, it looks extremely cramped. Web browsing on PPC is like watching a website through a keyhole. A 480x320 screen in landscape actually has the ideal resolution for web browsing. I was very disapointed with my PPC experience in that respect. PIM on PPC is also sucky. No Ultrasoft money (the MS equivalent is certainly not as good), no decent built-in memo, music players are also terrible to use on the go compared to the Pocket Tunes interface.


Palm is archaic, and their hardware design sucks. You feel like you are buying products that should have been released two years ago. But they just have a usability that PPCs just don't have. For me, this matters a lot. I might reconsider a PPC if they come up with a successor to the hx4700, without the dreaded touch pad. But losing efficient PIM is just scary to me, and switching when the possibility of new japanese palm os devices is becoming more tangible would be a bad move. Palm OS will be back with Linux. Anyway, if it's back in the land of the rising sun, then it will be fine with me.

[tempest929]

Color reproduction and contrast are also really important. The only really nice PDA screen is on the hx4700. (where have you read that it was a mistake? I haven't read this anywhere. http://www.ipaqhq.com/forums/showthread.php?t=22839 ) That screen has perfect color and almost perfect contrast. The Dell screens are hideous, VGA or not. The Zire 71 and original T3 had gorgeous screens, but unfortunately they were replaced by horrible sharp screens.


http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=43388&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=4700+discontinued&start=30

The Loox 720 has the exact same screen as the 4700, just a little smaller. The Toshiba e800/e830 and Asus a730(W) also have very nice vga screens. For that matter, the dell has a nice screen, the clolours are just a little dull.




PPC landscape is hardly usable. With the two bars, it looks extremely cramped. Web browsing on PPC is like watching a website through a keyhole. A 480x320 screen in landscape actually has the ideal resolution for web browsing. I was very disapointed with my PPC experience in that respect. PIM on PPC is also sucky. No Ultrasoft money (the MS equivalent is certainly not as good), no decent built-in memo, music players are also terrible to use on the go compared to the Pocket Tunes interface.


Ever hear of programs such as se_vga, oz vga, or Tweaks2k2? Try web browsing in landscape under true vga. Now why would HVGA be better for web browsing exactly? Which music players did you use exactly?

[tk_421]

As In said before, VGA just strains my eyes to be usable. se_vga is painful after 10 seconds. I even used Ndyot for web browsing, since I could make the resolution closer to HVGA, but it made browsing too slow.

I used the WMP 9, and the player made by the comapny that makes Pocket Artist (FANTASTIC app! The reason I wanted a PPC) and Pocket Launcher. I think it's Pocket Player. TERRIBLE user interface. Quite unusable as a MP3 player. It was always disconnecting while streaming music. Pocket tunes on the LD was so much better, I couldn't believe it. (okay, skipping is horrible, I must admit.) I know that there are better (and free) players out there, but I only had the PPC for two weeks.


I know that the FS 720 has the same Sony screen as the Ipaq. I researched this a LOT. The FS 720 has even better contrast than the hx4700. I can't imagine how painful it must be to use se_vga on the loox. Unusable for 90% of the population for more than a minute. The loox has such a great design though. The BEST PDA design out there at the moment. I just don't like the OS. Access bought Psource, so we will probably see some nice japanese designs with Plinux in 2 years or so. In the meantime I will just stick to sucky Palm hardware. At least it is dirt cheap now, as it SHOULD be. The TX is NOT a high end PDA. At least Palm has understood that.


If you have a loox and like WM, then you must be really happy. I seriously considered it, but found the screen too small, and the OS too messy and unfriendly. Access buying Psource sealed the deal for me. Plinux should be on many japanese devices in the coming years, so I will be FREE of crappy Palm hardware, and will be able to get a Palm based PDA with a design like the Loox 720. In 2 years... Sigh... As I said, you're lucky if you can live with WM.


If the new PDF to go is FAST, then I will certainly not regret staying with palm anyway. Just can't wait to test it. I'm pretty confident it will beat Adobe Reader 2 for PPC. (I used it with SE_VGA and Ndyot, so slow!!! Maybe there is a better way though.) Anyway, as any Palm user out there, I keep on WAITING.

[SonyStyle]

they have to fix their "palm" logo, it makes that device look even cheaper, i mean the device already looks cheap.

[tk_421]

they have to fix their "palm" logo, it makes that device look even cheaper, i mean the device already looks cheap.


It IS a cheap device. Palm is a very profitable company. They know that the PDA buiseness is going down, so they will sell a PDA with a hard drive at a high price, but not a standard one. 300$ is an excellent price for this device It WILL sell.


With a WM Treo AND such a cheap TX with wi-fi and large screen, I can see Palm making loads of cash in the coming months. I'm not saying that this will satisfy PDA geeks like us. (We'd need Sony back in. It won't happen any time soon.) I'm just saying that Palm will sell a LOT of devices to the mass. They are now making AMAZING choices. Their goal is NOT to produce the ultimate PDA, but to make the most money.


The LD was a hit, even though it is too unstable. The treo is a hit, and the windows version will sell even more. The TX will also be a big hit because of the nice screen and double wireless. Palm will make loads of money with those devices. Imagine if they had Cobalt devices out! Well, Cobalt is supposedly crappy anyway, but with a modern OS, they would sell even more PDAs. Considering that they are basically stuck with an archaic OS, they are doing wonders.


If you are looking at the TX as a geek will, it may be very bland. But if you had invested money in the company, you would be laughing your way to the bank. I myself might get the TX if no stability fix is released for the LD, because it is SOOO cheap, that I will still be able to upgrade to the next mobile manager when it will be released next year. I just can't live without the Palm OS PIMs now, so a PPC is out of the question for me. The TX is a great ove for Palm. At 450$, it is a stinker. At 300$, it will be a surefire hit. The competitio has nothing that can stand up to the TX at that price range. The only real flaw to the TX is the lack of voice recording.

[twrock]

We finally have a slim, tablet-style PDA with Wi-FI and Bluetooth. Even though it's not VGA, it does have a high-res screen. Palm has already had some experience with non-volatile memory, (T5) and managing Wi-Fi and Bluetooth in the same device, (LD,) so there is at least a reasonable chance that this device will be fairly stable when it comes out. The TE/T5/Tx form factor has aged quite well. IMHO, it is just as attractive as any other tablet out there. (And I have an x50v!) And most importantly, Palm appears to have finally gotten a clue, as it appears that this device will be priced at $299. At the $300 price point, this TX will compare very favorably with any other PDA out there.

Yes, yes, yes. At this price point, this is a good buy (barring some sort of freaky build problem or software instability). I'm assuming that this unit should come out of the gate running well; it doesn't have cutting edge technology, so Palm should be able to get this one right the first time around.

This is very good news. I expect to be picking one up very shortly after the early adopters have posted their reviews and confirmed the lack of problems.

For those few who keep trying to point out the "advantages" over in the PPC camp, get a clue. Almost no one will argue that there aren't some really nice PPC units. But for a huge number of us the issue isn't the hardware. "It's the OS, stupid!" It may be hard for you to believe, but we like the Palm OS, even if it is the very "long-in-the-tooth" Garnet. Granted, I wish we could get a Cobalt device, but if that's not to be, I'll stick with Garnet and wait to see what PalmLinux turns out to be. The TX means that I can have a nice new Palm running the programs I already own with the familiar interface I enjoy using. So please, go and enjoy your "superior" WinMob devices. I've never suggested anyone switch to Palm who was happy with their PPC experience.

[Tam Hanna]

People,
lets get back to the TX for a minute. A anonymous source just posted this on TamsPalm:

The T/X was just released. It is on sale at Office Depot. It has WiFi (311.b), Blue Tooth, portrait and landscape views, compatibility with MS Outlook, etc, MP 3 player, no camera.

Looks as if the big leakage is starting. Anyways, forget PIC on this topic. They prolly already have their loaners and test them-thus no more new news!

[Rome]

The review was actually well-written. The reviewer appeared to be a long-time palm user. He was ask later in the thread to compare the TX to the Sony TH55, and his reply was something like "the TX is more of a business tool while the TH55 is more of a gadget."

The best feature of the TX is the price. The reviewer bought it for $269 after the 10% coupon. I can't think of any PDA (Palm, WM, or Linux) out there today that offer better value than the TX.

Way to to, Palm.

[Fishie_Flop]

If the machine is stable and offers decent battery life Palm might have a big hit on their hand with this one.
It cant compete with the VGA PPCs but at that price point it has the potential to provide for a far better surfing and multimedia experience then QVGA PPCs.

[PDAJah]

Low pricing of the TX (if this is really the case) is a good strategy as Palm will try to sell higher volumes and still make a reasonable profit. This is also indicative of a mature/commodity market. Palm may be hoping to attract more customers who still prefer a two device solutions (remember most cell phones have a camera; I never really used the camera on my TH55) or users wanting to upgrade and therefore these users are kept as repeat customers.

[Zano2004]

Maybe someone has read something besides the translation? It seems to me that the price of $299 MAY have been a mistake considering how it was found. Is it possible that the price really is $299? Sure. But WILL it be? I guess a couple more days will tell. At that price they will sell like hotcakes I'm sure, especially to those who don't already have a T5 or LD. The used price for a T5 would likely drop to $150 at best. Even with the small margin of added WiFi, a new $299 TX is something to consider for a T5 owner.

[ddvitale]

Know why the LifeDrive was an initial hit? And why the TX will be a hit? Because the connectivity of the Treo 600 & 650 is simply way too slow.

I owned a treo - and the speed at which I accessed the net drove me absolutely crazy. My web surfing experience with the LD v the Treo is like the difference between dial-in and high-speed. And while the bluetooth of the 650 and the superior screen fixed a BIG issue with the 600, it didn't fix the speed issue.

I'm not slamming the Treo - my wife owns one - and I used to have one. But they're for a specific market and not the 'sliced white bread' of handhelds of the future.

[djembe1]

I just got back from my local Office Depot (picking up a box of envelopes). I walked past the PDA aisle, and though the TX was not there, its space was. Two empty locations were all set up with official price/info tags for the TX and Z22. The TX was priced at $299.99 and the Z22 at $99.99. I shot the labels with my phone, but (stupid Verizon) I can't get them off the phone, so all I've got are teeny tiny images of labels. The manager checked me out in the Ink Depot area, and when he asked if I found everything I replied that I would have prefered to find the new Palms. He said to come back in a couple of days.

[Zano2004]

If memory serves me correctly, October 12th is the magic day. There's a brand new Office Depot right down the street from the office........ $299....... maybe

[Robyr]

Guys. rumor confirmed. Saw one at best buy just now!

http://inadequacy.org/TX/dsc00073.jpg

PS, pic taken with a UX50, and damn proud of it.

[feed_sheep]

Even with the small margin of added WiFi, a new $299 TX is something to consider for a T5 owner.

Exactly. I have a T5 with the wifi card. I really don't use wifi that much, but when I do, I find it a big pain to have to take out my 1 GB SD card and insert the wifi, etc. etc.

Now if I could just come up with the cash...

[Fishie_Flop]

Sweet
Lets hope we get a 299€ pricepoint on em here in Belgium

[Robyr]

**** 299 euros would be cheap as hell. If you guys do, ill have you buy one for me ;)

[twrock]

Guys. rumor confirmed. Saw one at best buy just now!
(pic removed)
PS, pic taken with a UX50, and damn proud of it.

Beauuuuuuutiful pic. I'm drooling. Thanks.

Yep, sounds like this really is it for me. It still isn't the "mythical color HandEra", but it is close enough. I think I will be very pleased with it (vs. my current T2).

[Robyr]

heh yeah id say it will be a decent replacement for that T2... my ux on the other hand still has no equal.

[tritan]

Please can i have the difference between the TX and the LifeDrive???


Less memory, less processor,less bulk and less price . This is a great entry unit for casual user, or business users. It has more more then the E2 and other low entries and if you are looking for a basic unit this is it.

[T-Man]

TX might be Palm's winner.

[Zano2004]

What the heck, someone will have a no questions asked return policy. The TX will be worth a trial run for a few days.

[Fishie_Flop]

**** 299 euros would be cheap as hell. If you guys do, ill have you buy one for me ;)

Urm you do realise that 1€=1.25 US$ aproximatly right?

[Robyr]

err **** yeah, my bad lmao, alcohol got to my head. Man i feel dumb now!

[TMann]

Guys. rumor confirmed. Saw one at best buy just now!

http://inadequacy.org/TX/dsc00073.jpg

PS, pic taken with a UX50, and damn proud of it.

Wow! Very cool! $299!

I may just have to get one of these things, and THEN decide whether to keep it or my Axim. Hmm...

TMann

[JAmerican]

YAY!!!!!!!!!!! UX rules !!!

I was gonna get a Dell on Ebay (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=5817191503&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT) but decided at the last minute not to. Not too sure about switching yet.

I have the link there so you guys can applaud or criticize me.

Funny, my max amount that I was gonna spend on the Axim turned out to be the price of the TX. LOL.

JAmerican

[rlc7254]

The rx1950 is definitely not an upgrade over HPs past devices. Its identical to the older ipaq 4155 except with less ram and no bluetooth, but with WM5. The sceen on it will probably be larger in area than the one on your E2, but its at a lower resolution. The TX will have both a larger screen and higher resolution.

The rx1950 is nothing more than an h1945 w/WiFi, no B/T, and WM2K5. Thats about the only difference.

:D

[evildude]

I had a 1945. The TX is more like a 2210/15 (which i also had)
The 1945 was the low end but was fast for its cpu, the sdio interface was wack, and i could not do voip with the sdio wifi card, but i could on the 2210 with intergrated wifi.

Which is why i'm wary of how palm intergrated the wifi. If they did it like the Lifedrive, then it should be fine, alhough i dont have any wifi apps to test. If they hacked the wifi interface to the sdio port, then its 1 bit transfer rate will be its downfall.

read this

http://www.tomsnetworking.com/Sections-article82.php

[tk_421]

YAY!!!!!!!!!!! UX rules !!!

I was gonna get a Dell on Ebay (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=5817191503&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT) but decided at the last minute not to. Not too sure about switching yet.

I have the link there so you guys can applaud or criticize me.

Funny, my max amount that I was gonna spend on the Axim turned out to be the price of the TX. LOL.

JAmerican


Remember that the price of software count for something in the cost of updating.


Jamerican, you just might get your ultimate mobile device someday, when Access licenses the Palm OS to Japanese manufacturers. I wanted to buy a UX myself before it was discontinued, but I still decided to wait things out, and make compromises. Like use Fitaly and buy the fold out keyboard to replace the thumbboard, and buy a separate card sized camera. Actually, this way I get even more functionality, since I get a REAL keyboard, and a much better camera on me at all times.


I tried switching to PPC, but it was a no-go, since the OS is too chaotic. I expect a surge in sales for Palm with the TX in the Holiday season, so I won't be the only one not switching. If the LD gets a stability fix, then it might even become a possibility again. But the TX is so cheap, it is very tempting. The problem with Palm was th lack of wi-fi in their devices. With their current ideas, they are sure to succeed. LD, CHEAP basic wi-fi PDA, and the Treos (palmOS and WM). Palm is certainly not dying this year.

[Mark29]

Three years ago, a 480 x 320 screen and wifi capable palm was something you could only dream about. Now it's here. Ahhhhh the advancement ot technology, what can the future possibly hold?

That's wierd, I got this less than 18 months ago. :) Too bad Sony pulled out of the US market :(

Mark

[intellidryad]

It's quite amazing that the more you think about the TX, the more it makes sense.
There's nothing exciting about it, it's nothing revolutionary. Hec, it's so similar to the Clie TH55e that Sony released so long ago.

But...

It's the right color + the right price + the right function combination.

The TH55e is a good device, but at the wrong price, which limited it's sells.
The past Tungstens all lack WIFI.

Now it seems that Palm has done it right, finally. This might be a major cash cow. Chears to Palm, but I don't think people would like to see that TE/T5/TE2/TX casing again. Make this the last one, and do a new look next time, please.

(If only Sony release a revised TH now with competitive pricing, the TX won't seem so good though :rolleyes: But at least, those whose TH55s are dyeing finally have something that is close enough to be the successor to the TH :D)

[Mark29]

The TH55 is better than the TX :)

I love my TH, but should anything ever happen to it Sony has left me no option as a replacement. The TX looks very promising, I hope it does well for Palm.

Mark

[red_sun]

Wow! Very cool! $299!

I may just have to get one of these things, and THEN decide whether to keep it or my Axim. Hmm...

TMann

in case you don't know, office depot have $30 discount for purchase of $150 or more. Expire 11/1/05.

http://www.officedepot.com/maintainCoupons.do?referralCode=30960002

[ebrichter]

in case you don't know, office depot have $30 discount for purchase of $150 or more. Expire 11/1/05.

http://www.officedepot.com/maintainCoupons.do?referralCode=30960002

Does anyone know of a bestbuy coupon that can be used in a store???

[Tam Hanna]

Dudes, now it really is confirmed. Lets see if it still has a whining screen. If not, my T3 is off to ebays...

[snark]

Sweet
Lets hope we get a 299€ pricepoint on em here in Belgium
Nope, forget about it.
Someone could buy it already in Brussels but the price was ... 399 €. http://www.1src.com/forums/images/smilie/images/smilies/frown.gif

[Cyker]

IIRC the TH55 cost less than the T|X does when it came out and, at least IMHO, gave a lot more (Not just hardware, but software. Palm still haven't got that whole Value Adding thing down anywhere near as well as Sony did ;)).

It's only expensive now because Sony cut short production while there was still a huge demand for it, so prices for it actually started going UP! At one point eXpansys were selling it for twice as much as it's original price!! (I can't think of any other PDA where the price has gone UP instead of DOWN when it got old!! :eek: )

[Fishie_Flop]

Nope, forget about it.
Someone could buy it already in Brussels but the price was ... 399 €. http://www.1src.com/forums/images/smilie/images/smilies/frown.gif

Damn, thats gotta be a mistake.
Most recent Palm´s have had a dollar for a euro conversion lately.

[Fishie_Flop]

IIRC the TH55 cost less than the T|X does when it came out and, at least IMHO, gave a lot more (Not just hardware, but software. Palm still haven't got that whole Value Adding thing down anywhere near as well as Sony did ;)).

It's only expensive now because Sony cut short production while there was still a huge demand for it, so prices for it actually started going UP! At one point eXpansys were selling it for twice as much as it's original price!! (I can't think of any other PDA where the price has gone UP instead of DOWN when it got old!! :eek: )

The TH-55 released at 399$ thats 100 more expensive.

[TMann]

IIRC the TH55 cost less than the T|X does when it came out and, at least IMHO, gave a lot more (Not just hardware, but software. Palm still haven't got that whole Value Adding thing down anywhere near as well as Sony did ;)).

It's only expensive now because Sony cut short production while there was still a huge demand for it, so prices for it actually started going UP! At one point eXpansys were selling it for twice as much as it's original price!! (I can't think of any other PDA where the price has gone UP instead of DOWN when it got old!! :eek: )

For a long time the TH55 was the only Palm device that combined the following features:

1. High-res screen
2. Tablet design (not a clamshell.)
3. Built-in Wi-Fi

When you also add in the fact that it had a great battery life, and that for the European model, both Wi-Fi and bluetooth built-in, it's no wonder that prices remained high for a long time.

Having said that, I must say that I never did like the ridiculous placement of the scroll wheel on the TH55. All of the TH55 cases had to have a big cut-out in the back so that you could get to the wheel. The original side-mounted thumb wheel and D-pad of the Palm devices were much better solutions, in my opinion.

TMann

[jmc12787]

The past Tungstens all lack WIFI.


Hate to be a pain in the *** :P, but, way back when there was the Tungsten|C, unless we're only refferring to "tablet-style" devices.

I may have found myself a Christmas present...

[pruss]

So, when is it going to be released? I thought that was going to be today... (I need people to tell me whether mySkin and FontSmoother work on it. Of course, free copies of both will be given to the first couple of TX users who give me test reports.)

[SoS]

So, when is it going to be released? I thought that was going to be today... (I need people to tell me whether mySkin and FontSmoother work on it. Of course, free copies of both will be given to the first couple of TX users who give me test reports.)


Pruss, I think it's tomorrow (12th Oct) but dont hold yer breath!! :D

[Zano2004]

Check the Palm web site. It's as official as it can get the TX is on sale for $299.99 with all the features already known.

[T-Man]

One question, is the usable 100MB all RAM or patitioned? I think the Z22(lost the Zire name?) and TX(again, gone with Tungsten?) look pretty good so far. Only way I'd EVER think about getting TX is if the 100MB was all the RAM. I hate the measly 65MB on the T5 and LD. And a lot of things dont run off my HDD or Card. I have 19% left on LD and I dont think even 30MB on SD card. So 65MB is measly amount of RAM to me...

[T-Man]

Nope, forget about it.
Someone could buy it already in Brussels but the price was ... 399 €. http://www.1src.com/forums/images/smilie/images/smilies/frown.gif

I'd imagine this (http://www.xe.com/ucc/convert.cgi) conversion is right? Why is it €300? Is it just that store? Palm.com/uk has it for €250...

[Zano2004]

One question, is the usable 100MB all RAM or patitioned? I think the Z22(lost the Zire name?) and TX(again, gone with Tungsten?) look pretty good so far. Only way I'd EVER think about getting TX is if the 100MB was all the RAM. I hate the measly 65MB on the T5 and LD. And a lot of things dont run off my HDD or Card. I have 19% left on LD and I dont think even 30MB on SD card. So 65MB is measly amount of RAM to me...I think it's all RAM (user memory). There is no mention of a partition anywhere. Which is also the main reason I'm going to give one a try.

[dmitrygr]

it IS all ram

[SoS]

as dmitry said, it is all ram and there is no drive mode (a la t5/ld)

[T-Man]

YES! Only way I'd think about switching, before I go insane. Anyone touched one? :) I want some personal opinions on color, as in beginning I tought T5 looked better and still like T5 more. Whats TX like?

[Fishie_Flop]

I'd imagine this (http://www.xe.com/ucc/convert.cgi) conversion is right? Why is it €300? Is it just that store? Palm.com/uk has it for €250...

Prices here are tax inclded so its 300 with 21% VAT aready in.

[Fishie_Flop]

I'd imagine this (http://www.xe.com/ucc/convert.cgi) conversion is right? Why is it €300? Is it just that store? Palm.com/uk has it for €250...

Oh BTW, thats 250 POUNDS on the UK site, not €

[Fishie_Flop]

And Palm Belgium has it on their site for 349€, though ive seen pdashop advertise it for less.

[T-Man]

Oh, I thought it was Euro....everyone confuses me! :)

[LupeValenz]

Reviews, Reviews, REVIEWS!!! Let the reviews begin. I want to start checkin this baby out :D. Sadly didn't see any TX around me >_<. I wanted CC to have it so I can test it for 2 weeks, then return if not very happy with it ^_^.

[jjesusfreak01]

Reviews, Reviews, REVIEWS!!! Let the reviews begin. I want to start checkin this baby out :D. Sadly didn't see any TX around me >_<. I wanted CC to have it so I can test it for 2 weeks, then return if not very happy with it ^_^.
Well, I touched one, and here is my first impression:

I didnt check the color, thats not important.

The WiFi scanner is very good, probably close to the LifeDrive's scanner. It scans almost instantaneously, and connects quickly. Couldnt check browsing speed though, none of the six access points in Best Buy actually have an internet connection.

The power button didnt seem very sturdy, and wasnt necessarily working every time I hit it. Any more opinions on this?

Overall, the device is pretty quick. I tried a video, and the device obviously uses alot of power to play videos, as it couldnt play it (well) with music playing in the background. I also find it a little annoying that I cant turn off the music by hitting the power button (The Sony TH-55 has a hold button to blank the screen, while the power button shuts off most background processes).

Its very small, the color depth of the screen is great. I didnt test the brightness.

I wasnt able to test the BT, but I am sure its just fine. Could someone say if the BT and WiFi can be used at the same time as they can on the LifeDrive?

The IR works, thats about all I tried. On the front of the device, as always.

The launcher is the same as the LD and T5 one, and works just fine, very quick.

Any more questions? I probably cant answer them.

[JLCarneiro]

Is not the power button issue the same of T|5's? I mean, T|5's power button is somewhat lower than T|E's to prevent accidentally turn it on.

Is this correct?

[LupeValenz]

Yeah, I heard that both WiFi and Bluetooth can be used both at the same time. Woooooooah, play the video with music in the background?! That is really pushin the device right there. :D. Sad to hear it uses alot of power while playin videos. Is it like where you could see the battery icon bein drained?! If thats true I might stay back as I do like to watch videos to pass the time. How is the speed gettin the applications? Is it pretty snappy? How was pockettunes? pretty good and stable as well? Also how is the brightness at the lowest setting?

[edeab220]

Yeah, I heard that both WiFi and Bluetooth can be used both at the same time. According to the FCC docs for the T|X, you can't. It can only transmit/recieve via one wireless technology at a time due to the Palm OS limitation. Of course, they could be wrong since I could use my WiFi card and type via BT on my T|T3 at the same time ;).

[LupeValenz]

Is not the power button issue the same of T|5's? I mean, T|5's power button is somewhat lower than T|E's to prevent accidentally turn it on.

Is this correct?

Nope, the power button is at the very top :).


TX overview. (http://www.palm.com/us/products/handhelds/tx/specs.epl) shows some pretty good info bout the device ^_^

[LupeValenz]

According to the FCC docs for the T|X, you can't. It can only transmit/recieve via one wireless technology at a time due to the Palm OS limitation. Of course, they could be wrong since I could use my WiFi card and type via BT on my T|T3 at the same time ;).

What a way to crush my dreams ;_;. LOL

[jjesusfreak01]

Yeah, I heard that both WiFi and Bluetooth can be used both at the same time. Woooooooah, play the video with music in the background?! That is really pushin the device right there. :D. Sad to hear it uses alot of power while playin videos. Is it like where you could see the battery icon bein drained?! If thats true I might stay back as I do like to watch videos to pass the time. How is the speed gettin the applications? Is it pretty snappy? How was pockettunes? pretty good and stable as well? Also how is the brightness at the lowest setting?
Not power as in battery power, just processor power. It only had a QVGA (I think) video preloaded.

On another note, I really cant believe they wont have both wireless options where they can work at the same time. Even if they dont, some programmer will fix that pretty quick, since it should be easy if it has the same BT stack as the LifeDrive.

[tritan]

YES! Only way I'd think about switching, before I go insane. Anyone touched one? :) I want some personal opinions on color, as in beginning I tought T5 looked better and still like T5 more. Whats TX like?

In short, I have had my TX for as day now and love it. Compared to the T5 I found the screen just as bright or maybe a touch better. The wireless was seemless to my wifi network and checking email. I havn't had time to sync via bluetooth yet but cable sync was flawless. The unit feels lighter then the T5 maybe that just me. I found it the form factor great and I love the new color.Palm has a winner. The lady at Franklin said all of her units where on hold and she had one set aside for herself.
Any direct questions let me know and i will try and answer for you.

[Dick Tracy]

Have Palm released it with a working version of Find?

Anybody using TextPlus and a backup application?

[T-Man]

So then you can confirm that its 100MB RAM? :)

[jjesusfreak01]

So then you can confirm that its 100MB RAM? :)
100MB+ of flash NVFS memory configured as RAM.

[JLCarneiro]

Nope, the power button is at the very top :).
Sorry, my English failed. By "lower" I meant "deeper".

[tritan]

100MB+ of flash NVFS memory configured as RAM.

where do you find the ram on the device? I can't find it under prefers

also where is the new avatar for 1src of the tx, need to update. ;)


I had something strange happen when I fired my tx just now. I went into email apps and selected a email at the bottom of the screen. For some reason 5 check boxes appeared on all the emails. Then the disappeared and reappeared. I think its a fluke but might be a digitizer issue as a reset was need and a retouch of the digitizer to get it working again. :eek:

[T-Man]

Ooh, this not funny....

[dragonsgames]

Can it search right? :)

[T-Man]

I never used Search, but can it?

[rlc7254]

Is not the power button issue the same of T|5's? I mean, T|5's power button is somewhat lower than T|E's to prevent accidentally turn it on.

Is this correct?

The power button is the same as the T5. Essentially, from a visual point of view, there is no outside difference between the T|X and T5, except for the color of the case. The buttons are in the same place, everything is the same. If you were to put them side by side, you couldn't tell the difference, except for the color.

[dragonsgames]

Does it work?

[rlc7254]

where do you find the ram on the device? I can't find it under prefers

also where is the new avatar for 1src of the tx, need to update. ;)




I found the memory when I installed programs, it gives you the amount available there. As for on the device, go to delete on the drop down menu, and it will tell you how much is available, and the total amount available. On mine it shows 114mb total, 98.7 available (I install most of my stuff on the SD card).

As for the avatar, I found a picture from a review, downloaded it to my computer, and then uploaded it to 1SRC. :o

:D

[T-Man]

Oh, so we get more than 100MB? :cool:

[dragonsgames]

I don't think so :(

[T-Man]

But rlc said he/she had 114MB, or is that all your TX can see?(as in thats all of it) Ok, nevermind.

[dragonsgames]

114mb? Thought it was 100mb? :confused:
Does it have any memory

[T-Man]

Ok, do you mean that 114MB is total that is listed, and you have 98% left leaving less memory available?

[dragonsgames]

I think it has 100mb. So any TX users have anything to clear this up for sure? :)

[JLCarneiro]

The power button is the same as the T5. Essentially, from a visual point of view, there is no outside difference between the T|X and T5, except for the color of the case. The buttons are in the same place, everything is the same. If you were to put them side by side, you couldn't tell the difference, except for the color.
So, is there any problem with the power button as someone has previously said?

BTW, and that strange behaviour with the e-mails?

[T-Man]

But 100MB sounds rounded, would it be exactly 100MB? Doubt it. Better not be less though.

Stop highjacking threads! :p

[dragonsgames]

You are the highjacker! And it is 100mb formated, it says on Palm.com :)

[T-Man]

You pushed me into it! (This is deffinately a highjack, someone get me, uh, him out :)) But its too...even...

[tritan]

Oh, so we get more than 100MB? :cool:

yes, I have 114.8 total, and 87.7 free. I haven't even started install apps yet.

[tritan]

Ooh, this not funny....


haven't had a problem since the first time it happen. crossing my fingures :cool:

As far as the avatar,, send me a link. I tryed to find one of the net and shrink it down and its still to big...

[T-Man]

yes, I have 114.8 total, and 87.7 free. I haven't even started install apps yet.

WHAT?!?!?!?!? Palm should've rounded to 90MB then!!! Thats not right....

[dragonsgames]

It depends how it is formated, I think :confused:

[Dachnavar]

I just tested the T|X over at Office Depot and...just...wow! There are many driver improvments over the T5!!! I'll list my finds here:

1) Every hi-res palm you can find it has a small two-pixel wide border around the entire screen in every application. TCPMP has managed to get rid of this border for watching movies but nowhere else in the palm does it remove it. Now, with the T|X, the Photo viewer (Media) can remove it. When you view a photo full screen the white border turns to black and is much nicer to look at. This also occurs with slideshows, which has also been improved to have transition effects such as fade and disolve.

2) The DIA has been altered in two ways that one of which is neat and the other of which is annoying. The annoying thing about the new DIA is that the home button has been removed making you have to rely on the hard button home or the icon in the old-style silkscreen DIA. They seem to have removed it to allow for the new wifi button and still allow for the screen rotate button. This is different from the Lifedrive because the lifedrive has a hard button for screen rotation and so they removed it from the DIA and this allowed the DIA to still have the home button.

The nice feature is that the DIA is no longer CPU dependent for applications. On the T|5 if you were playing a game or using a CPU intensive application the DIA would become less responsive. So unresponsive that in some cases the DIA would think you are tapping and holding on buttons instead of just tapping them, so instead of minimizing the DIA you would only get a popup of DIA style options. The T|X no longer has this issue and it is very nice, the DIA is always responsive now!

3) Most of the palm applications now have the new Palm (Orange) logo in the about screen, as well as updated versions of all the apps (Memos, Media, Calc etc) The applications seem overall more stable and incredibly fast. The T|5 would do well to have these updates because the speed I observed while testing was far superior to my T|5 and my T|5 is running at 416mhz while the T|X is only at 316mhz.

4) The CPU's between the T|X and T|5 are exactly the same from what I can see, only the clock rate has been changed. For those of you that think the T|X is a downgrade because of less cpu power you are fooled. The cpu is only clocked slower and can quite easily be clocked using a third-party app back to 416mhz or even up to 612mhz (Or so) safely.

5) The wifi improvements in the OS on the T|X are better than the T|5. It has better layout of the features and the ease-of-use is improved as well.

6) The T|5 has a 160meg internal SD card as well as an expansion slot. It also has 60meg of RAM for the OS that is usable.

The T|X has 100meg usable RAM memory and no internal drive (persay). It has an internal drive but it's not usable, it is used by the OS for web browsing cache and docs to go and other apps. It has a built-in wifi card now (Which suprisingly enough was not advertised on the specs sheet at Office Depot but was definatly on the palm. This, being the huge selling point that it is, is suprising that it's not listed on the specs. This will cripple Office Depot's (And other like stores that may have done the same error) sales for the average buyer who does not already know it has WiFi built in.

7) The battery inside is the same battery as the T|5 has. It is a 3.7 volt, 1300 milliamp-hour Lithium-Ion rechargable battery.

I can not confirm whether the T|X has bluetooth 1.2 or 1.1 at this time. I will get back to you guys on this one. It's rumored to have 1.2 on it but I haven't seen first hand if it does or not yet.


(If i've repeated anything I apoligize...I can't read through 10pages of posts lol!)

(This is Apollo from the iSpin boards)

~*Apollo*~

[dragonsgames]

Hey Apollo, this is Aqualover ;)

[dragonsgames]

(We were talking about a Mac OS X theme for iSpin on the installigent.com forums ;))

[Dachnavar]

lol hi! ;)

[dragonsgames]

Never thought I would see you here :)

[LupeValenz]

I just tested the T|X over at Office Depot and...just...wow! There are many driver improvments over the T5!!! I'll list my finds here:

1) Every hi-res palm you can find it has a small two-pixel wide border around the entire screen in every application. TCPMP has managed to get rid of this border for watching movies but nowhere else in the palm does it remove it. Now, with the T|X, the Photo viewer (Media) can remove it. When you view a photo full screen the white border turns to black and is much nicer to look at. This also occurs with slideshows, which has also been improved to have transition effects such as fade and disolve.

2) The DIA has been altered in two ways that one of which is neat and the other of which is annoying. The annoying thing about the new DIA is that the home button has been removed making you have to rely on the hard button home or the icon in the old-style silkscreen DIA. They seem to have removed it to allow for the new wifi button and still allow for the screen rotate button. This is different from the Lifedrive because the lifedrive has a hard button for screen rotation and so they removed it from the DIA and this allowed the DIA to still have the home button.

The nice feature is that the DIA is no longer CPU dependent for applications. On the T|5 if you were playing a game or using a CPU intensive application the DIA would become less responsive. So unresponsive that in some cases the DIA would think you are tapping and holding on buttons instead of just tapping them, so instead of minimizing the DIA you would only get a popup of DIA style options. The T|X no longer has this issue and it is very nice, the DIA is always responsive now!

3) Most of the palm applications now have the new Palm (Orange) logo in the about screen, as well as updated versions of all the apps (Memos, Media, Calc etc) The applications seem overall more stable and incredibly fast. The T|5 would do well to have these updates because the speed I observed while testing was far superior to my T|5 and my T|5 is running at 416mhz while the T|X is only at 316mhz.

4) The CPU's between the T|X and T|5 are exactly the same from what I can see, only the clock rate has been changed. For those of you that think the T|X is a downgrade because of less cpu power you are fooled. The cpu is only clocked slower and can quite easily be clocked using a third-party app back to 416mhz or even up to 612mhz (Or so) safely.

5) The wifi improvements in the OS on the T|X are better than the T|5. It has better layout of the features and the ease-of-use is improved as well.

6) The T|5 has a 160meg internal SD card as well as an expansion slot. It also has 60meg of RAM for the OS that is usable.

The T|X has 100meg usable RAM memory and no internal drive (persay). It has an internal drive but it's not usable, it is used by the OS for web browsing cache and docs to go and other apps. It has a built-in wifi card now (Which suprisingly enough was not advertised on the specs sheet at Office Depot but was definatly on the palm. This, being the huge selling point that it is, is suprising that it's not listed on the specs. This will cripple Office Depot's (And other like stores that may have done the same error) sales for the average buyer who does not already know it has WiFi built in.

7) The battery inside is the same battery as the T|5 has. It is a 3.7 volt, 1300 milliamp-hour Lithium-Ion rechargable battery.

I can not confirm whether the T|X has bluetooth 1.2 or 1.1 at this time. I will get back to you guys on this one. It's rumored to have 1.2 on it but I haven't seen first hand if it does or not yet.


(If i've repeated anything I apoligize...I can't read through 10pages of posts lol!)

(This is Apollo from the iSpin boards)

~*Apollo*~


Ohhhhhh bad Apollo, BAD! Doing this review when you have Invader to finish! Back, back to Invader! lol. :D

[LupeValenz]

Oh, and the TX has 101MB free straight out of the box, no hotsyncin or anything yet to transfer ^_^.

[dragonsgames]

Ok, it is settled. 101MB :D

[Dachnavar]

Lupe shoot me an e-mail at bryan [at] IQSNetworks.com and I will set you up with a private copy of Invader to test for me. I need a second oppinion anyway while I finish up the PalmRevolt skin to go with it.

[dragonsgames]

PalmRevolt? SkinUI!!!!! :D

[Dachnavar]

I'm trying one of each to get a feel for them. I did the Vista Inspirat skinui so this one's next ;)

[LupeValenz]

Its sent ^_^/

[tritan]

WHAT?!?!?!?!? Palm should've rounded to 90MB then!!! Thats not right....


NO,NO,NO.. I have added some programs that is how I got to 87.3 left.

I have added Launcher x, 40 word docs, 40 tasks, my calendar and a few hand written notes. Now if I could only get the device to sync by WIFI I would be all set. I got it paired to my Dlink adaptor to my work computer and it syncs flawlessly. I used to be able to get my Lifedrive to sync by wifi but for the life of me can't get it to work this time. Anybody got it to work?

[LupeValenz]

I'm confused bout the bluetooth with the Treo, for some reason I can never get it to work, it connects, then disconnects >_<. I so could have use this for dial by tappin on contacts and sending SMS.

[tritan]

:D So, is there any problem with the power button as someone has previously said?

BTW, and that strange behaviour with the e-mails?

I have hit the button from time to time and it won't come on the first time so I would press in a bit more to find it come to life. I also have the white screen of death. I had the tx in my company truck(firetruck) and decided to jot a note and found the device was on. The whole screen was white and nothing would come on , buttons wouldn't push etc. I decided to give it a reset and it cleaned itself out of it. I have had to resets and one digitizer reset. In two days use not to bad compared to the T5 I had for a day. :D

[LupeValenz]

Same here with the more than one button to turn on device >_<. Other than that, pretty good and stable so far.

Edit: One neat feature, the lil cover, fold it backward and it will hold your palm up for you, great to watch movies ^_^.

[Zano2004]

Regarding the amount of memory issue: When I first turned my TX on, it had a little shy of 101 mbytes free. Reviewing the delete function, many applications are placed in RAM to include Docs to Go, VersaMail, etc. I haven't added all the mbytes of deleteable applications that Palm places in RAM, but I wouldn't be surprised that they total 14 mbytes, which would take the total user memory to 114 mbytes +/-. The TX reports total free space potential of 114.8 mbytes

[dragonsgames]

But 14mb out of 114 is not a lot :)

[spvwolfy]

I soooooooooooooo want one!!!! I really dig it's specs etc. Hopefully Santa will bring me a new TX!

[dragonsgames]

Santa is a man's best friend. I mean, most of the time he gives you the dog ;)

[rlauzon]

My local CompUSA didn't have them on display, but I asked and they had some "in the back".

I got it all set up and transferred over all my data from my T5 plus my WiFi utilities from my Tungsten C. Very nice.

My only problem is the missing home button. For the most part, I can do without it in the status bar, but 2 Astraware games take over the keypad so that the hard Home key doesn't work (well, as a Home key at least). I have to Find something and then click on the item it found to get out of the games.

[dragonsgames]

No home button? Now that is dumb... :confused:
They have to do something dumb on every, EVERY model they make :mad:

[JLCarneiro]

They have to do something dumb on every, EVERY model they make :mad:
Well, at least, of the dumb things they could do, this is "light".

I mean, at least I haven't seen anyone complaining of crashes...

[T-Man]

I went to Circuit City yesterday thinking they'd have iPods on display(dont know what gave em that idea) and before I left I asked the guys there if they had any TXs in the back.( In glass case they had 4 LDs and a 72S) Well, they said they had the T3 and something else that I forgot now. The T3 is a few years old, they didnt mention the LifeDrive(probably the 'T3') and they didnt seem to care too much. I should've made them get a boxed T3 and bring it to me. :)

Timm
(Going to Office Depot tomorrow to see what they have. Hopefully some TXs, new iPods and new iMacs. )