View Full Version : Upgrade to Agendus 10 for $19.95 !?!
Another fee for an upgrade. This does not feel right.
I know there are Agendus fans out there but does anyone have an upgrade price history for Agendus?
I think the upgrade is $9.95 for existing customers, at least if you're going to the same version you already have (i.e. Pro to Pro, or Standard to Standard), and from v. 9 to 10. That's what it was for me, at least.
lesliefranke
10-06-2005, 08:23 AM
I think the upgrade is $9.95 for existing customers, at least if you're going to the same version you already have (i.e. Pro to Pro, or Standard to Standard), and from v. 9 to 10. That's what it was for me, at least.
That seems to be the case, $9.95 to go from one upgrade to the next for the same version.
wellsjs
10-06-2005, 09:04 AM
That is correct - it is $9.95 if you are going from V9.x to 10.x. If you are upgrading from 8.x or older, it is $19.95. This is assuming you are going from Standard to Standard or Pro to Pro. For alternative combinations . . . get out the slide rule! :eek: :D
How many free updates were there within v8 and v9, and how long did it take for Agendus to jump from v8 to v9 to v10? With these alone, if I'm a loyal Agendus user, I would have paid $29.85 on top of whatever I paid for v8. Now I'm seeing a $14.95 "subscription service" for v10.
This is a lot of $ for just one program!
Well I'm no Iambic apologist, and yes, it is a lot of money, and I'm sure that's why they release such frequent updates. But I switched to Agendus despite my complaints about it, because I'd rather pay for updates than use Datebk5, which hasn't seen a major update in years, and while it's a very powerful app, it's basically the same as it's been since OS3.
I like new features which take advantage of what my newfangled PDA can do, so I'm willing to pay more. Others are just as happy using a Palm V which still does what they need it to do. So it's a matter of preference, I think.
For people who want a solid datebook without too many bells and whistles and upgrade fees, Datebk5 is a great product. It's also probably a better idea than sticking with Agendus 8 or 9, because if you get a new PDA in the future, DB5 will probably release an update to fix any bugs for free. Agendus will by then be on version 11 or 12, and you would need to buy that to get a version that's compatible with your new device.
stevec
10-06-2005, 03:25 PM
It hurts to pay an upgrade fee each time (which seems to be about annual event) but:
a) $9.95 is not expensive for an upgrade for a program used a lot every day (look on it as an annual support fee if the term "upgrade" hurts).
b) You don't have to upgrade if you don't want to - v8 or v9 (or even an old copy of ActionNames) will still do what it did when it was first bought - it's not as though old versions cease to function when a new version comes out (with new features).
I must admit that when I first came to upgrade this program (still AcrtionNames then) I thought that upgrades should be free. However, each new version gets better and adds more functionality so I consider it worth such a nominal fee.
Just my $0.02 worth.
ackmondual
10-06-2005, 04:26 PM
How many free updates were there within v8 and v9, and how long did it take for Agendus to jump from v8 to v9 to v10? With these alone, if I'm a loyal Agendus user, I would have paid $29.85 on top of whatever I paid for v8. Now I'm seeing a $14.95 "subscription service" for v10.
This is a lot of $ for just one program!
hmmm, one guy who used to use this ALOT reported spending close to $250 for this app alone!
I also hear complaints that some of the upgrades aren't worth it, as they don't function correctly or do, but are buggy, and won't be fixed till after spending $$ on 1 or more upgrades. Any truth to this?
Agendus looks pretty, but I'm more "appointment oriented", and won't use the extra features anyways. I don't for datebook5. A lot of them anyways.
wellsjs
10-06-2005, 04:39 PM
$9.95 is not expensive for an upgrade for a program used a lot every day.I think that nails the point! I wouldn't keep paying for enhancements to apps I seldom use, whether major or minor, but for the primary use of a PDA still, PIM maturization is worth it to me.
BTW Joel, Iambic has never charged for a .xx upgrade, just X.0 ones. We went from 8 to 10 within a year, but hey, there were major enhancements in both 9 and 10. I have found that programmers like it when the company they work for "makes payroll!" :eek: So I'm willing to do my part. Actually I haven't really, 'cause I have gotten the last several upgrades free as an active beta contributor. So while to some, Iambic is charge, charge, charge, for me they have been give, give, give! :D
So, on the positive side for Iambic, they "pay" their beta testers as much or more than about any other palm software company I've run across . . . for me . . . about $0.37/hr. by my $9.95/time calculation! :eek:
stevec
10-07-2005, 03:22 AM
Actually I haven't really, 'cause I have gotten the last several upgrades free as an active beta contributor. So while to some, Iambic is charge, charge, charge, for me they have been give, give, give! :D
So, on the positive side for Iambic, they "pay" their beta testers as much or more than about any other palm software company I've run across . . . for me . . . about $0.37/hr. by my $9.95/time calculation! :eek:
I also got involved with one of the AGP beta programs (I think it was for v6 or 7); they offered me a free upgrade, too, though I'd already paid my $9.95 to get an updated unlock (a problem at that time was the time limit iambic put on their betas - mine had expired at the end of the trial and I needed to keep the program working). iambic were a bit slow coming forward with the free unlock. I don't begrudge the money for a good program though I've never gone back to any subsequent beta tests.
I'm not sure how somebody has managed to pay $250 for his licences - even if he'd started at v1 and paid for every full upgrade since, he'd be struggling to get even half that total.
LupeValenz
10-07-2005, 03:42 AM
Egh, thank goodness I keep with Clie Organizer >_<. Don't have to pay for those upgrade fees anymore ^_^.
CroCo
10-07-2005, 08:01 AM
I think switched from datebook5 to agendus 9.x, since I liked the integration of the email-app. The calender is nice, but I still miss the datebook5 simplicity. There are too many pages one has to click through to do things. (e.g. setting up an alarm- needs less taps in db5) Therefore I have Datebook5 still on my device. Of course, I started back in the days with datebook 3 and went through all the versions, so I am a bit used to it:-)
Otherwise I must say, I am happy with agendus. I didnßt have to pay for the upgrade, since I bought the app just a bit prior to the new release. SO that was a fair trade I must say.
wellsjs
10-07-2005, 08:15 AM
Egh, thank goodness I keep with Clie Organizer >_<. Don't have to pay for those upgrade fees anymore ^_^.Thank goodness there is an alternative that I can pay for to keep from having to use Clie Organizer! :eek: :p :rolleyes: :)
blues
10-07-2005, 10:53 AM
I really like Agendus, and think that it's got more usable features than just about any other program for the Palm. Which kinda forces me to buy the upgrade everytime. It's almost worth it.
LupeValenz
10-07-2005, 04:14 PM
Thank goodness there is an alternative that I can pay for to keep from having to use Clie Organizer! :eek: :p :rolleyes: :)
Ohhhh >_< How can one hate CO so much? hehe.
stevec
10-08-2005, 08:43 AM
I really like Agendus, and think that it's got more usable features than just about any other program for the Palm. Which kinda forces me to buy the upgrade everytime. It's almost worth it.
That's a really unfair marketing strategy that out to be made illegal - developing software that is actually usable and better with each update so we actually want it :D
bh77a
10-08-2005, 10:08 PM
I for one thought the update price was fair and worth it. The handwritten note portion isn't perfect but it's better than any other solution.
Remember the big scandal with Iambic 3 and a half years ago? When they took datebk5 domain and didn't apologize to Datebk5 developer for a long time? I have since not been their fan, and I don't have any of their software.
ackmondual
10-09-2005, 09:18 PM
On a related ironic cross coincidence note, long ago, someone got a hold of the PETA domain before the real PETA was able to. They named it to "People Eating Tastey Animals" for a while before being renamed to its original acronym. :D
starbuckk
10-29-2005, 11:59 AM
The days of free upgrades are pretty much over. The 9.95 that Iambic charges is nowhere near as ridiculous as what Intuit charges for upgraded Quicken (only $10 off the shelf price, typically).
I jumped to PRO this version and admittedly I'm still looking for that magical feature that makes it "worth it". The trip wizard was a consideration, but it needs more work (hey IAMBIC, how about making the vendor and airline selection link to the address book instead of it's own list?).
I'd probably get more out of it if I had a Smartphone with Internet connection, as it seems to have a lot of features built for that.
ackmondual
10-29-2005, 12:54 PM
^^
hmm, i heard more than one person who wished the same thing. Many of them wished certain builds were more stable and less buggy even for just specific features like the tabbed contacts or the pretty icons.
Moose Man
10-30-2005, 12:04 AM
......I jumped to PRO this version and admittedly I'm still looking for that magical feature that makes it "worth it". The trip wizard was a consideration, but it needs more work (hey IAMBIC, how about making the vendor and airline selection link to the address book instead of it's own list?).
I'd probably get more out of it if I had a Smartphone with Internet connection, as it seems to have a lot of features built for that.
The trip link to the address book - has been noted as a feature request but here is the problem - it assumes that there is a corresponding Address in the contacts. And if not, then you have to create it. Here is a work around: Create the trip void of any trans, lodging, rental etc. Then go into a new meeting and create a meeting with your airline of choice - then tap on the Trips icon) 3 one from the left while still in the create mode and tie this meeting to your trip. Regardless - your feature request to tie to the address book has been noted before.
Smartphone - well considering that the Treo is the biggest seller and outsold the other Palm devices - where would you focus your market?
There has been discussion at Iambic about the direction Agendus will have to take because of it's growing and target towards Smartphones. It may be that another version - one which drops all of the wireless stuff and is more focused for a PDA then a smartphone. But I just provide assistance at the Forum and testing. Policy is set by Iambic and I'm not an employee.
Regarding pricing and upgrading: Older versions of Agendus are always available for download if you have a valid registration so there is no compelling reason to upgrade unless you want the features or you've purchased a new device.
What I find interesting is that I know of no other program that has as much functionality. DB5 is a good program but doesn't come close to Agendus with regards to features. There are things in DB5 that will come to Agendus - but until Pimlico releases another generation - it's well behind the feature curve. And I also have a registered copy of it.
Voice, sketch, Trips, Contact History, weather, history, quote of the day are some of those features.
Standalone's Dateman - no support yet for a T5 or 650 and according to an email I received from them - no release date or scheduled date on the horizon.
The other program that is vaporware (apparently) Life@hand from PDAPerformance? where is it.
Ok one last point and I'll get off the rant: Iambic catches a lot of bad press regarding the upgrade charge. Is it warranted? That's a personal question that one must decide. $9.95 per upgrade is not alot of money for a program that added voice and sketching to this lastest version plus the other features.
I am an Iambic Team Forum Moderator/member but I don't work for Iambic. I do like Agendus and have been using it since 97. I do think that $9.95 every once in awhile isn't a bad thing for a program that I used multiple times a day and has given me added features. All told, I've paid $19.95 originally and would have paid $70 for the program since 97 if charged for all upgrades ( I do get some perks for being a beta tester and since May for being on the Forum).....to me, it's worth it.
starbuckk
10-30-2005, 01:13 AM
The trip link to the address book - has been noted as a feature request but here is the problem - it assumes that there is a corresponding Address in the contacts. And if not, then you have to create it. Here is a work around: Create the trip void of any trans, lodging, rental etc. Then go into a new meeting and create a meeting with your airline of choice - then tap on the Trips icon) 3 one from the left while still in the create mode and tie this meeting to your trip. Regardless - your feature request to tie to the address book has been noted before.
Thanks, I'll give that workaround a shot for my next trip.
I have a couple more questions, but I think I'll start a new thread for them.
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