NZ90 launcher vs Power Run

[ke9a]

Ok The Sony launcher is a bit strange, but it does do one nice thing, it runs programs from the memory stick.

So what else does power run do that the Sony one does not.

Mabye I can just move the big applications over to the MS and keep things cool in RAM.

bob

[n2ifp]

PowerRun is the only app that will allow the 2mb NetFront web browser for example to be run from the memory stick. PowerRun also copies both the app and it's related databases to RAM and the deletes them from RAM when your done. PowerRun will also save any updates to the database file that's on the stick now. After loading up your clie with many apps, free available RAM memory now becomes a real issue and challenge.

[ke9a]

Got it. So the either power run or jack flash to get 2mb back. I assume that jack flash can put it in ROM, But I would rather have my more used programs there....

[X Gear]

Hi... I've installed and used PowerRun to move these prog's to the memory stick:
Graffiti
MobileMgr
NewtFront 3.0
Picsel Viewer

They all work fine.
Correct me if I'm wrong. PowerRun isn't taking the place of my Sony Launcher? Right?

[the_iceman]

If you are a user of a large program, such as netfront and forsee yourself using it 'often', I would put it in FLASH. I don't use Netfront, at this time, so I am sure that if Netfront doesn't run in flash.. someone will reply to my posting here.

Netfront is HUGE. 2mb worth of 'stuff' to get it to run. When you put it on your MS with powerrun... it has to copy it from the MS to RAM, just as n2ifp stated. When done... it has to clear the RAM. NetFront, because of its size... is very slow to load when running off of the MS. To move the 2mb worth of schtuff from the MS to RAM takes time. Not instantaneous by any stretch of the mind. Prepare to do some waiting... as your Memory-Stick light flashes like crazy moving data between the MS and internal RAM.

Much faster if you can run it from FLASH. It sits there.. and runs like a champ. I haven't done any comparrisons... between FLASH and MS for load-times ... but I'm sure there is a HUGE difference.

I'm in agreement with you, ke9a, that if you wouldn't want to use it often... you might want to put it on your MS instead of FLASH area. But you must know ... that if you load it to run, you must have enough free internal RAM to support the execution of the program. No good to put it on the MS.... ... and then you clutter up your internal ram.. leaving 1mb free. Try and launch the NetFront application from the MS... with only 1mb internal RAM free... I don't fink it'll work. :(

Anything run from the MS ... is really a resource hog. Consumes more battery, more cpu cycles for temporary copying/execution/deleting of executable files from the MS to Internal RAM ... and more.

I believe there is about 3.x mb free internal Flash on the Clie NZ which can be used. I guess... I'd just say put your most frequently used large applications there.

Put your 2nd most used Apps in Internal Ram.

Put the infrequently used Apps on the MS.

That would be my suggestion of order and where the apps should reside.

Everyone is so 'gung-ho' about putting all their apps on the MS.... using programs like PowerRun or PII Direct (not available for use with Clie's OS5). I think there is some feeling.. that one must have 5mb or more free internal ram. Why??? I have no idea. I do think it is good to keep around 2mb free if possible. This is in case one would want to migrate Netfront to the MS, because because of infrequent use. If you use Netfront daily .... and multiple times during the day .... I would think you would be better off leaving it in internal RAM or up in Flash. You have to keep that amount of internal ram FREE anyway for it to run from the MS. So .... I'm confused as to why it matters to move it from the Internal RAM to the MS. All it does is slow down the loading of it.

I do have a bunch of applications on my MS which I use. I have a large number of games (for those really boring meetings I have to go to)... and some infrequently used programs. If I find I'm using a program more and more, which resides on the MS, I make sure I move it to internal RAM .. and not running off of the MS. Much faster to execute (well... anything over 100k-150k). Those 20k small apps, or 50k small apps may not appear to run slower because they will load up in memory from the MS very quickly.

Just some things to 'chew on' I guess.

[ke9a]

Thanks for the idea's I agree with the flow. I think a litte $ spent at PalmGear will finish this off.. Now if I can find that old belt clip case from my HP200LX......

[YTTAN]

Power run is one of the choice to increase ram size.

[n2ifp]

Originally posted by the_iceman



Put your 2nd most used Apps in Internal Ram.

Put the infrequently used Apps on the MS.

That would be my suggestion of order and where the apps should reside.

Everyone is so 'gung-ho' about putting all their apps on the MS.... using programs like PowerRun or PII Direct (not available for use with Clie's OS5). I think there is some feeling.. that one must have 5mb or more free internal ram. Why???

Just some things to 'chew on' I guess.

Some apps are more efficiently put into the Palm Launcher folder than using PowerRun. The reason is the short cut may use more RAM than need be.

PowerRun states that to run a program, it NEEDS 2.5 TIMES the RAM needed to run a particular application.

 

[AnthonyM]

Originally posted by the_iceman
If you are a user of a large program, such as netfront and forsee yourself using it 'often', I would put it in FLASH. I don't use Netfront, at this time, so I am sure that if Netfront doesn't run in flash.. someone will reply to my posting here.

Netfront is HUGE. 2mb worth of 'stuff' to get it to run. When you put it on your MS with powerrun... it has to copy it from the MS to RAM, just as n2ifp stated. When done... it has to clear the RAM. NetFront, because of its size... is very slow to load when running off of the MS. To move the 2mb worth of schtuff from the MS to RAM takes time. Not instantaneous by any stretch of the mind. Prepare to do some waiting... as your Memory-Stick light flashes like crazy moving data between the MS and internal RAM. 


I must respectfully disagree with Iceman about where to put Netfront. Two Mb's of flash ROM is an awful lot of ROM space to dedicate to one application. There are generally other applications that get more use than Netfront. If you use third party replacement applications such as DateBk5, Agendus or Supernames, I would tend to think that these applications would get more use and how fast they open would be more critical than Netfront. If you’re opening Netfront to go to a website a few added seconds in the whole process isn't that big of a deal simply because that process isn't the fastest in the first place. But adding a few seconds too how fast you get into Supernames to change a phone number can be a very big deal when the person who is giving you that new number is standing there waiting on you.


On my NZ90 it takes approximately 5 seconds to load NetFront via PowerRUN and approximately 3 seconds to close the program. This is a total of 8 seconds added to the total time utilizing NetFront. Since I am generally not rushed when utilizing NetFront, it isn't that big of a deal. Depending on the quality of my wireless connection at that time and the speed of the site I am accessing, that 8 seconds is a drop in the bucket and one I don't even notice. Getting it back wouldn't make much of a difference either since that 8 seconds really isn't noticeable when your still taking a minute or so to get too where you want to go.


In short, that flash ROM space is valuable and is much better served when utilized by many more time critical replacement applications and not by one (already slow by nature) application.


- Anthony

[AryTbk]

I think PowerRun uses 2.5 times the RAM only for older devices (OS 3.x) - so with OS5 it should use an amount of RAM equal to the size of the program + all databases.


Originally posted by n2ifp


Some apps are more efficiently put into the Palm Launcher folder than using PowerRun. The reason is the short cut may use more RAM than need be.

PowerRun states that to run a program, it NEEDS 2.5 TIMES the RAM needed to run a particular application.

 

[ke9a]

I guess the small startup delay is not bad. I have started testing zlauncher and it does a very nice job of running things from the memory stick! I will try it with the web broswer to see how that works.
Bob

[the_iceman]

Originally posted by AnthonyM


I must respectfully disagree with Iceman about where to put Netfront. Two Mb's of flash ROM is an awful lot of ROM space to dedicate to one application. There are generally other applications that get more use than Netfront.

- Anthony

Anthony,

That is the beauty of ClieSource .... to discuss!!!!!!!!!! :)

I think... had you read through the first part of the post, and even the quote you placed in your reply from me... .it didn't state one should place netfront in the FLASH .... I stated that apps you use the MOST should be placed in FLASH.

I'm not much of a net-front user.... so I wouldn't dream of putting it, nor any web-browsing program in my FLASH area. I use my PDA heavily for work and I would, in agreement with you, place my DateBk5 in there instead, as well as other heavy used apps.

I recommended that one place HEAVY USED apps in the Flash for quick launching capabilities.... and infrequently used apps on the MS utilizing zlauncher/PowerRun... for access.

I think we are on the same page here.... with what probably should or shouldn't be put in Flash ..... The particulars to exactly what apps are heavily used will depend on the end-user themselves. Some will do tons of web-surfing.... others will do heavy database use... others financial software like quicken or other 3rd party financial packages .... etc etc etc.

Best to find out what you really use... before you place it in flash. However the benefit of JackFlash for the Clie ... is nice to have the ability to change one's choices. One finds they aren't using netfront much ..... migrate it off to the MS.

I do, however, feel if one is using replacement Launchers, such as YiShow, zLauncher, LauncherX, and others .... they would benefit from being placed in FLASH as they constantly being 'run'.

Thanks for the reply .... I was almost too excited.. that someone responded to something I wrote... LMAO .... JK