1SRC Podcast ThirtyEight

[Jeff Kirvin]

Two-fisted entertainment in tonight's podcast with special guest Tyler Faux! In this 84 minute monster podcast (free up some on your memory card!) we cover: Google Talk and Google Sidebar, the delay in Windows Mobile 5 for the hx4705, can I keep my new Treo, why redirecting audio to the Bluetooth headset shouldn't be impossible (and how one young New Yorker might be convinced to work on a fix!), Opera Mini, Kmaps and other great Treo-centric Palm applications, this week's 1SRC editorial and finally, the nature of podcasting itself. Block out some time and get comfortable, this is... the 1SRC Podcast! [details (http://www.1src.com/?m=show&id=1204)]

[Joel]

As I'm listening to the podcast and hearing Jeff say "what's inside that counts" ... I wonder how he'd feel and what he'd say when he discovers all these are native in OS X.

Nice podcast, Jeff!

[JAmerican]

I gladly use Google Sidebar now. Love it Jeff.

JAmerican

[JAmerican]

I was in your position Jeff but I was the assistant of the guy that ordered the Blackberries for the NY Office. The reason the company I work for gave me a blackberry was due to I needed it for contact after hours. They wanted me to familiarize myself with the device in order to be able to come up with solutions to issues users have encountered. What justified my keeping my Blackberry is that I actually created a guide for my company on how to upgrade the OS on older Blackberries to v4.0 to work correctly with Exchange Server 2003. Due to Palm doesn't have this ability to upgrade the OS on the actual device, thats not an option. Are you on the floor constantly and need to be contacted constantly, you can use this as an excuse. This is the way I justified my holding my Blackberry.

As for Bluetooth v1.1 transfering media via a Bluetooth headset, it might not be possible just like its impossible to remove the white border from CLIE screens. If it is possible to remove the white border from CLIE screens, then someone please create a patch for this.

As for Opera Mini, its fast but yet, its like viewing a website on your cell phone with the page seperation. I found it to be very annoying and feel that using Netfront without images, is a better web experience.

JAmerican

[JAmerican]

You guys are too much. LOL.

JAmerican

[ballistic]

26:41 Thanks for the mention/jab at me Jeff. Coming from someone who is so outspoken against and constantly the subject of personal attacks, I'm a bit disappointed.

And I guess your jab at me really is missing my point, as you seem to be endorsing warez. Are you? You "put it aside for the moment" and have yet to confront the issue.

If, as you say, I'm the only one who's concerned about the increasing acceptance of ignoring EULAs and copyright notices and the open discussion of warez, what does that say about our community?

Brian

[ballistic]

What was with the edit at 34:11?

Brian

[Reggie]

I would like to quote what ptorrone has said about Goolge in a private mailing list:

"overall, i think google is slowly reducing windows to a collection of device drivers to run google apps on."

and

"i tend to think they're quietly working on the uber-package that ties all these together while we all pound on the 'betas'."

I agree.

[Reggie]

Some reasons your company should get a Treo for you Jeff:

1. You need to make a wireless (bluetooth) solution for the company so everyone syncs wirelessly (locally), print, and run file copy/transfer apps.

2. For configuring and testing dial-up networking.

3. For training of Goodlink's features.

4. For testing new apps that can be used for the company -- eg. Nav apps, IM apps, custom apps, etc

[strider_mt2k]

What was with the edit at 34:11?

Brian

I dunno, it sounds more like a glitch than an edit, based on the context of the conversation.

I don't hear anything sinister here, if that's what you are implying. :rolleyes:

[strider_mt2k]

Some reasons your company should get a Treo for you Jeff:

1. You need to make a wireless (bluetooth) solution for the company so everyone syncs wirelessly (locally), print, and run file copy/transfer apps.

2. For configuring and testing dial-up networking.

3. For training of Goodlink's features.

4. For testing new apps that can be used for the company -- eg. Nav apps, IM apps, custom apps, etc

5. As an enthusiast you can help them get more for their hardware investment by helping everyone to use their Treo better! :D

[strider_mt2k]

Okay, on the google sidebar:

I tend to LOATHE these kind of apps.

However I am Google-ized, as this is possibly the coolest one of these things I've ever seen, if I've seen one! I wish i had more time to fiddle with it before I have to go to work. -something for later! :)

I've also installed Google Talk, as it seems like a great alternative to MSN. ;)

NICE!


EDIT

Dude, I'll still take my antiquated (read: stable, well built) TH55 over a patched T5, but I'll give Palm as many chances to wow me as they can afford! LOL

[evildude]

BT Audio is very possible, but it requiers one thing - speed. I had BT audio on my computer to my headset, but i have a few gighz of processing power to spare. My Pocket PCs were hackable to force the audio out into the headset, but they also had a real BT stack built in them and the headset profile was disabled because the devices did not have enough speed. Resulting audio sounded like a very tinny am radio.

Now Palm. It has something, but its so limited i would not call it a stack, It can connect to phones, and computers, and thru computers to networks. I'm also going to assume it can connect to gps devices with a BT serial port, But since its stack is so invisible, non-existance, i'm going to say it dosent have a stack, Its just got these connections you can hook in to.

So someone would have to find a place to jack in code to the audio driver, and write a new driver that fakes a BT headset profile and send that to a BT headset.

Hell, all mighty palm should have this in either the T5 SDK or the LD sdk, But i gave up on palm programming, dont know if any of these sdks even exist.

[Jeff Kirvin]

What was with the edit at 34:11?

Brian
There was no edit. By the time we were done, I was too tired to do any post production.

[strider_mt2k]

I hear where you are coming from on the podcast thing, Jeff.
I won't waste you time further with the radio show ideas.

Bummer you couldn't bring it up in our personal discussions.

[Jeff Kirvin]

26:41 Thanks for the mention/jab at me Jeff. Coming from someone who is so outspoken against and constantly the subject of personal attacks, I'm a bit disappointed.

And I guess your jab at me really is missing my point, as you seem to be endorsing warez. Are you? You "put it aside for the moment" and have yet to confront the issue.

If, as you say, I'm the only one who's concerned about the increasing acceptance of ignoring EULAs and copyright notices and the open discussion of warez, what does that say about our community?

Brian

Honestly, I'm ambivalent about warez. In this case, I really don't believe it's problem. There's a difference, I think, between using something like Picsel Browser or Opera Mini and actually cracking a shareware app so you don't have to pay for it.

[Jeff Kirvin]

I hear where you are coming from on the podcast thing, Jeff.
I won't waste you time further with the radio show ideas.

Bummer you couldn't bring it up in our personal discussions.
Dude, that stuff just occurred to me last night as we were recording. It wasn't in my original shownotes. And I'm still not sure it's right.

I still want bumpers for MaxGeek, I'm just kinda thinking out loud here.

[soccrnj80]

The reason your company needs to let you have a treo.
1. If anyone can rant and rave on how to use something like a treo you come to mind.
2. See above reason.

[strider_mt2k]

The reason your company needs to let you have a treo.
1. If anyone can rant and rave on how to use something like a treo you come to mind.
2. See above reason.

As I understand it, if Jeff marries a girl from eastern Europe and has a baby girl with her, he would name her Invanatreo. :D

[ballistic]

Honestly, I'm ambivalent about warez. In this case, I really don't believe it's problem. There's a difference, I think, between using something like Picsel Browser or Opera Mini and actually cracking a shareware app so you don't have to pay for it.

I already figured as much, but it's nice to see you finally state your official position. I respect your opinion, and while I disagree with it, I'm not going to take a jab at you.

I am not ambivalent about warez, and I don't agree that there is enough of a distinction to justify ignoring EULAs and copyrights (which, by the way, you didn't have any trouble raising when it comes to Google News).

What's your official position about using your podcasts to take a personal jab at people with whom you disagree?

Brian

[Jeff Kirvin]

What's your official position about using your podcasts to take a personal jab at people with whom you disagree?

I formally apologize for taking a jab at you in the podcast. It was intended as a light-hearted jest, but you clearly didn't take it that way. Mea culpa. I didn't mean to offend you.

[Tibbarerew]

Anyone else hear a high pitched squeel during the podcast? Cause the headache it's giving me might keep me from listening to this insanely long podcast.

[archangel]

Dude, I'll still take my antiquated (read: stable, well built) TH55 over a patched T5, but I'll give Palm as many chances to wow me as they can afford! LOL

I was thinking the same thing about my zodiac.

[Tibbarerew]

OK, so I fastforwarded because I can't take that screeching noise. Yes Jeff, I know I'm picky. What I really wanted to hear was your discussion of podcasting. I see where you're coming from but your missing something. The shorter format is better for some podcasts, but the beauty of podcasts is they can all be different. No two need to be done the same way. Personally I think a shorter format works best for 1src, it's really about news and I think it's more effective when it's on topic and to the point. I say you try "microcasting" the 1src cast for a week and see how it works.

I do think people need to be playing more with the format of podcasting, there are lots of possiblities and we see very few people trying different formats. The bottom line is palying with the medium is good, but I disagree with the statement that anyone has been doing it wrong. How can there be a wrong way to tackle a creative task like this?

[JAmerican]

I formally apologize for taking a jab at you in the podcast. It was intended as a light-hearted jest, but you clearly didn't take it that way. Mea culpa. I didn't mean to offend you.

I actually found it funny when you Sharky brought up the UX series and you wanted to take a jab out of me. Lighten up people. When did you take a jab at you ballistic?

JAmerican

[asiayeah]

You can do Google Talk IM on your Palm Device or your Treo!

http://www.treoaddicts.com/archives/2005/08/24/google-talk-on-your-treo/

Chatopus is shareware.

[BClie2k]

Jeff, WTF? I thought your Podcasts were more about PDAs than desktop apps??

Al

[JAmerican]

This one I actually liked. I have Google Sidebar now. I love KMaps although the 320x320 res is kinda sucky. This was a long but get Podcast:) Two thumbs.

[BClie2k]

Jeff,

Why is that your Mic makes such a annoying background hissing noise? I didn't hear that noise when Sharky was speaking.

Al

[BClie2k]

Jeff,
I have a Treo 650 and I don't need to use Kmaps because I have a TomTom 5 Navigator.

Al

[JAmerican]

Jeff,
I have a Treo 650 and I don't need to use Kmaps because I have a TomTom 5 Navigator.

Al

I think Jeff was pointing out that you can get a great map app for your device for FREE. If I'm not mistaken, TomTom costs money.

JAmerican

[Sharkk717]

>I didn't hear that noise when Sharky was speaking.

yes, but i had my own mic problems! i need to put it farther away from my mouth next time i guess :D

regards, tyler

[JAmerican]

>I didn't hear that noise when Sharky was speaking.

yes, but i had my own mic problems! i need to put it farther away from my mouth next time i guess :D

regards, tyler

You both sounded clear to me. When I listened to the PalmAddict Podcast, Sammy was hard to hear.

JAmerican

[Jeff Kirvin]

Jeff,

Why is that your Mic makes such a annoying background hissing noise? I didn't hear that noise when Sharky was speaking.

Al
That was my pet snake. He thinks he's cheering.

[Sharkk717]

rofl jeff! i can barely hear your pet when i played the cast.

regards, tyler

[tungsten t5]

can't install google desktop for some reason, i get an error.

At least the x50v is still getting an update jeff.

[tungsten t5]

I wish I had a podcast so I can braig about how i'm getting a treo.

Except I'm getting a 600, because t-mobile only sells the 600 :(

[tungsten t5]

oh, and you can use bluetooth headsets on ppc's. :)

[Jeff Kirvin]

Thanks, Mitch, that helps!

[craigdts]

Anyone catch the news that Theres a rumor on Wall Street that PALM is buying back PalmSource.

This link is to an interview:
http://www.marketwatch.com/tvradio/playerfull.asp?siteid=yhoo&dist=yhooBB&guid=%7B23FD2DE5%2D22F7%2D4ADF%2D8851%2DF23363BC3A27%7D

(oh yeah, skip about 2/3 to 3/4 of the audio, till u hear them start talking about palmsource).

Note that PalmSource;s stock has moved up about 20% in the past 3 days. Yes, it's just a rumor and people will say anything to make money, but again it's possible there may be some validity to this. Palm is at CTIA this weekend, if my memory serves.

I remember hearing or reading that analysts valued Palmsource at $160 million and that is where Palmsource's stock has remained most of today.

Just FYI, it's got relevance to palm economy.

I wrote an article about 4 days ago (about why palm must stay with palmsource) and submitted it to Reggie, where is it? Did it suck that bad?

If your tempted to rush out and buy PSRC stock I certainly wouldn't recommend it, this is just a rumor and it seems to be fairly valued.

[Jimmie Geddes]

Great podcast Jeff and Tyler. You guys really compliment eachother, did you guys practice this? I am kidding, but seriously there is something the podcast reminded me of, Leo Laporte and Patrick Norton. You guys decide which is which,lol. Jeff I loved the little stabs at the trolls. Great job guys, can we expect future podcasts? You guys totally meshed right, didn't seem like an hour, I cracked up a few times listening on my ipod at my desk today.

[JAmerican]

Great podcast Jeff and Tyler. You guys really compliment eachother, did you guys practice this? I am kidding, but seriously there is something the podcast reminded me of, Leo Laporte and Patrick Norton. You guys decide which is which,lol. Jeff I loved the little stabs at the trolls. Great job guys, can we expect future podcasts? You guys totally meshed right, didn't seem like an hour, I cracked up a few times listening on my ipod at my desk today.

I think Jeff and Sharky do a great job together. I really loved this podcast. One of the best.

JAmerican

[Tam Hanna]

Hi Jeff,
why not mention motivation about your Treo? And capability to do further research, stay in touch with customers out of business hours,....

BTW, about Google-do you read TamsPalm? If no, here is a posible explanation why Google's GMAIL will never ever go really public:
http://tamspalm.blogspot.com/2005/06/why-gmail-doesnt-have-to-go-public-to.html

Do you think that spammers,.. are a reason? I never ever got a spam mail from a GMAIL account up to now!

[tungsten t5]

no problem jeff, here to help :) :-P

[Alan G]

84 minutes?! Jeff, Tyler that has to be a new Palm OS podcasting record! I'm looking forward to listening to this cast on my flight to Phoenix on Saturday.

Alan G

[tungsten t5]

alan, only 5 minutes talk about something else than google or a treo 650.

[JAmerican]

alan, only 5 minutes talk about something else than google or a treo 650.

Basically, Jeff has redirected his attention from Palm in general to Treo 650 stuff. Which bothers me but not that much due to apps like KMaps works on non-Treo devices like my UX.

JAmerican

[abbydog3]

I just wanted to thank you for the excellent palm software you find and discuss each week. I look forwards to Thursday! Brightcam and Profiler are the BOMB! :cool:

Palm should give those folks a big chunk of money, so it could be included in the OS build. :D

I wouldn't might for you to "beta" on the short podcast, like short phone calls. Give it a try and see what the response is. But, please dont get rid of Thursday's traditional format. :)

Cheers.

[T-Man]

Listening now. :) Has it been mentioned where I can download the sidebar and if it works w/ OS X? The 'Desktop Search' isnt compatible, right? We have sptlight! :)

[Jeff Kirvin]

Listening now. :) Has it been mentioned where I can download the sidebar and if it works w/ OS X? The 'Desktop Search' isnt compatible, right? We have sptlight! :)
Windows only for now. It's kind of Google's answer to Dashboard.

http://desktop.google.com

[bloney]

Thanks for another great podcast jeff (and Tyler). I think the shorter ones work well, but this one certainly kept me amused for a good long time at work today!

The Google sidebar looks cool - I've installed it on my machine at work. Shame the weather thing doesn't cover the uk:(

Hope your Treo turns up soon! I'd be like a kid waiting for Christmas day!

You're right about us PPC crowd having problems too :( Like you say, I gotta wait until spring next year to have my WM upgrade (if ever...). But, as you say about Palms a few podcasts ago - my hx hasn't suddenly stopped working - I'm still chufed with it. And at least if the upgrade does finally turn up, it might be a stable release.

While on the subject - I didn't like your mocking tone with the WM upgrade. You were really nasty there, Jeff! I might currently have a PPC, but maybe PalmOS again next time - please don't alienate us!

Cheers

[T-Man]

Google says they working on Mac versions, right?

[JAmerican]

Since its based in Visual Studio.NET, it will be Windows forever until ported to another language.

JAmerican

[T-Man]

Whats VisualStudio....NET? :( What do you mean by another language??? French, Spanish, German?!?!

[T-Man]

+, You're the Treo helpdesk, why shouldnt you have your own Treo 24/7? :) And what about if someone needed help with their Treo and you dont have your Treo? ;)

[Sharkk717]

visual studio .net is microsoft's development environment for programming windows using certain PROGRAMMING languages (not french or spanish :D). these include:

-C++
-C#
-Visual Basic
-J# (java-like)
-etc...

visual studio .net (or one of its components) is required to compile add-ins for Google Sidebar

regards, tyler

[JAmerican]

visual studio .net is microsoft's development environment for programming windows using certain PROGRAMMING languages (not french or spanish :D). these include:

-C++
-C#
-Visual Basic
-J# (java-like)
-etc...

visual studio .net (or one of its components) is required to compile add-ins for Google Sidebar

regards, tyler

Woops. Thanks for the clearup/specification. I forget to do that sometimes.

BTW, sharky, I looked at the SDK and it looked confusing like hell. All they give you is a whole bunch of files with code in it. The Design section of VS.NET is not used at all. Very weird to me.

JAmerican

[jjesusfreak01]

Okay Jeff, it is my personal opinion that that podcast is too long. I did a 1 hour podcast with Tyler, but we were skipping around and covering topics the whole time. An hour and a half is just too long. In fact, I am not going to finish listening. Maybe im just in a bad mood b/c I have a headache, but really. It is a loooooooong podcast.

[tungsten t5]

no offense jeff, but 20 minutes of you is enough :0

[smoothjordan]

As per request, reasons for your company to purchase and let you keep your treo 650:
(1) 24/7 Availability- They can call you whenever if they need you
(2) Customized to fit your job - Allows you to schedule yourself for maximum efficiency
(3) You'll leave them alone :)

The podcast was long, but very informative. Already have all those apps, work well. One that you suggested last week, KSLight keeps my KB off after a reset, don't know how to change the settings. Other than that, good stuff! tungstenT|5, no offense, but as long as I see a thread without your whining I will be good. Obviously this won't happen anytime soon, but I can always hope.
Jordan

[Sharkk717]

no offense mitch but 10 seconds of you is enough :D

cheers, tyler

[Tam Hanna]

Well, the length indeed was a bit too much for me. 90 minutes is much. 30 Minutes is ok(can listen to on way to school,...) but you should know that humans cant really concentrate for long. A gong between the topics may help...

[T-Man]

I rather have 1 hour podcasts once week then 10 minute when spread accross hours. It'd be like having News spread around on TV whenever theres something and instead of at a certain time. If you did 5 10 minutes a day and sum it up on Wed., that'd be good. :) The news also does this, if its something real important, they'll broadcast it over anything and sum up later :)

Timm

[T-Man]

The Mac gong please :)

[Jeff Kirvin]

Okay Jeff, it is my personal opinion that that podcast is too long. I did a 1 hour podcast with Tyler, but we were skipping around and covering topics the whole time. An hour and a half is just too long. In fact, I am not going to finish listening. Maybe im just in a bad mood b/c I have a headache, but really. It is a loooooooong podcast.
I will gleefully refund the purchase price!

[Jeff Kirvin]

While on the subject - I didn't like your mocking tone with the WM upgrade. You were really nasty there, Jeff! I might currently have a PPC, but maybe PalmOS again next time - please don't alienate us!
Wasn't really meant for you folks, the rational and polite Pocket PC users. I kinda meant that for the trolls.

[tungsten t5]

hey tyler! I said nothing about you. but you could give me a free version of the zodiac sharkswipe :)

[Sharkk717]

i know... i just didn't think you were very nice to jeff. SharkSwipe::Z is already free... what do you mean about a free version?

regards, tyler

[Jimmie Geddes]

The both of you did an awsome job, people shouldn't critique too long, too short. Be happy that they are doing it. I have both of you and Sammy in itunes so I always have the new podcast when it's available, thats what's cool about Sammy's, you never know when they're coming. Jeff and Tyler I'd love to hear you guys more, you gotta do another podcast together, this was a great super sized podcast. GREAT JOB. Don't hate the playa.

[Jimmie Geddes]

I am just finishing up listening to you guys and Tyler I really hope you do what Jeff asked/told you to do:) I for one would definitely buy it, and hearing Jeff rant about it, now I want a bt headset, not to make calls, but to listen wirelessly to music,lol. Jeff they better let you keep that Treo, you gotta keep us updated with it, I know you will. Jeff why did u have to put the whole bt thing in my head, now I want it. SO Tyler make it happen, you saved the lifedrive, help us out:)

[T-Man]

I dont care if you do 10 min pods, but I still want 30-90 minute ones! It keeps me busy and I like everything at once. :)

[E Ben G]

I shouldn't have said that. That bit about Kirvin. I mean, it's true, but there are some thing Hippocrates prevents.

[gfunkmagic]

FYI, regarding the inability of the Treo to redirect audio via BT headset... as others have probably stated, this is because the 650 lacks the A2DP profile from it BT stack.

I know JK is not asking for stereo BT headphone support, but there is a bounty over at Treocentral which stands at about $700 bucks currently for a A2DP patch for the Troe 650:

New Bluetooth Bounty - A2DP (http://discussion.treocentral.com/showthread.php?t=63243)

Hopefully that might be an additional incentive for any developer out there that might be interested in working on this...

[BClie2k]

Sharky? I didn't hear anything about your current projects on the podcast. What's up with that? Jeff why is it that whenever you invite somebody to your podcast your voice overwrites your guests. Chill Jeff, I know is your podcast, but at least don't sound like a Podcast Nazi.

Going back to Sharky. Any progress on the Treo DBcache utility?
http://discussion.treocentral.com/showthread.php?t=88642&page=1&pp=40
Is this thing for real? or Waporware?

Al

[gfunkmagic]

Oh forgot to mention, there is NO need to pay $15 bucks for an app like Freedom when there are free alternatives like Headcold for the Treo that do that exact same thing!

http://headcold.sourceforge.net/

http://discussion.treocentral.com/showthread.php?t=90313

[Jimmie Geddes]

I don't think he sounded like a podcast nazi, that's a bit much. Maybe it's his audio setup that does that, people are so quick to criticize. Chill out.

[PDAJah]

Jeff. re: your employer funded Treo. I suggest you get a new boss if your boss can't see the value of giving you something that makes you happy! The Treo 650 really is a fantastic little device :)

Edit: the good news is that Treos are cheaper in the US than the UK

[Cyker]

Google Toolthingy:
I'll wait until there is a Linux version; This thing doesn't work properly on Win98 :(


WM5:
Dude, stop taking shots at WM just for the sake of it and then complain when they do it to us, 'k? ;)
That goes for you WM people too ;)


BT Headset:
Weiler's law: Nothing is impossible for the man who doesn't have to do it himself
That said, this sounds like the kind of low-level hacking fun that CP, DG and Sharky seem to like. I figure if you can find the BT output stream, it would be fairly easy to adapt CliePet's MCP to translate between the PalmOS audio stream functions and the BT audio output streams...?
And if you can pull it off for the Treo, it opens the door of possibility for support of other BT-enabled Palms... :D


Opera mini, Blazer:
Bah, NetFront is still better :p
It's a pity those Palm nazi's don't have a Java VM for anything other than Palm devices because I wanted to try this :(
I'm a bit cagey on this reliance on a proxy server 'tho
I suspect you guys don't use Opera, but it has "Fit to Width" and "Small screen" modes, which are very good - If they could port those to a PalmOS version the browser would rock.
At this time 'tho, the Fit Width/Small Screen modes are very similar to the NetFront 3.1 modes I have on my TH55.


Kmaps:
Sounds cool. Wish I could try it :(


"Antiquated Clie":
Oooh! OOH! Right, that's it Darth Porkins! I'm coming after you!! ... Or I would if I had enough money to fly across the pond... :(
Mmm. Ah! There's an idea!
Josh, next time you and Jeff are near each other, give him a Wedgie for me! That'll teach him, yeah!


JAmerican:
Sharky! Don't encourage him damnit! You're supposed to be the level-headed mature part of this cast!! :p :D


...1 x 30min podcast:
HAHAHAHAHAHA!
Dude, you'd jump on the mike for 5 and be on it for 30 :p


Woody Woodpecker -> warped mind:
Oh my god, the newspaper stories were true!!!


Comments:
The lag and that weird ultra-high-pitched whistling sound on the podcast need fixing!
Aside from that, a good cast ;)
I espescially liked the "We better wrap this up" comment about halfway through :p :D

[Sharkk717]

could someone who owns a Treo 650 and Bluetooth headset contact me? :D

regards, sharky

[archangel]

Wasn't really meant for you folks, the rational and polite Pocket PC users. I kinda meant that for the trolls.

Problem is you sound like a troll when you do it. Just ignore those guys and leave them out of the podcasts completely. We are all aware of the crap some PPC users spread around and I would just prefer to see them left out of the Palm podcasts.

Speaking of sounding like a troll, enough with bashing the Clie already. :) I know you were joking around, but someone using a T5 really has no business poking fun at the TH-55. ;)

[Jeff Kirvin]

All in jest, I assure you. I'll cut it out, on both counts.

[minimalposter]

For what it is worth, I enjoy lengthier podcasts. I just wish that if I was listening to a longer cast I could somehow terminate my listening enjoyment and then pick up where I last left off. That way I could listen to 10 minutes or 85 minutes depending on my time allotment.

I also enjoy some lighthearted moments as well as some jest. These are suppose to be enjoyable ;)

[Jimmie Geddes]

I don't mind you mentioning the trolls,lol. Look over at palmaddict today, there is a windows mobile user axim x50v using styletap. It's a windows mboile app that lets you run palm os apps, how sweet:) I wrote an article on it, seems like they want to switch but they still miss the palm os, so much so that someone in their world came up with this application. I say if you want the palm os why run it on a windows mobile device? There's screenshots of it as well. What a compliment to the palm os,lol.

http://palmaddict.typepad.com/palmaddicts/2005/08/26/index.html

[Jimmie Geddes]

Tyler I ordered the Palm Treo bluetooth headset, waiting for it to arrive. I'd love to help you out.

[Jimmie Geddes]

Jeff, I thought you'd get a kick out of the above. I downloaded a bunch of the apps you and Tyler talked about. I highly recommend you get butler for your 650, it is a must have, and does so many things. Also Mobitv is doing a beta for the Treo 650, I am using it, it is awesome, you should check it out when you get your 650, today, right? Email me if you have any questions;)

[quasar]

Great podcast, guys! I listen to podcasts while I work, so I like longer ones because they get me through my shift. The longer the better. But it might not be too bad to spend a week trying out the idea of mini-casts to see how it goes.

Jeff, I notice that whenever you have a guest on a podcast, whenever no one's talking, there's silence, but when someone speaks, there's a faint hissing noise in the backgound. Also, there seems to be something going on with the audio capture, because sometimes it would stop for 3-5 seconds, or it would jump a second or two forward for no apparent reason. Just wanted to let you know.

Does anyone know of something like the Google desktop search that works for Linux? Or a way to get Java on my Zodiac to use Opera Mini?

[Sharkk717]

how about mini-casts and a compilation cast each wednesday that's just a big mp3 file containing all the week's casts? that way, if you want to listen to it just once a week, you can do that.

regards, tyler

[Jimmie Geddes]

That's a good idea Tyler. You guys plan on teaming up again?

[Sharkk717]

thanks jimmie! also, thanks for the offer to help test. if/when you get the bt headset feel free to send me an email (sharkboy717 at aol DOT com)

i hope we'll do another joint podcast, maybe with Alan G, Jeff, and myself. it'll be fairly crazy i think, but certainly quite funny :D. next week tho jeff has promised to go solo, since having guests 3 weeks in a row (alan, josh, me) completes his guest-o-rama for now!

regards, tyler

[JAmerican]

Google Toolthingy:
I'll wait until there is a Linux version; This thing doesn't work properly on Win98 :(


WM5:
Dude, stop taking shots at WM just for the sake of it and then complain when they do it to us, 'k? ;)
That goes for you WM people too ;)


BT Headset:
Weiler's law: Nothing is impossible for the man who doesn't have to do it himself
That said, this sounds like the kind of low-level hacking fun that CP, DG and Sharky seem to like. I figure if you can find the BT output stream, it would be fairly easy to adapt CliePet's MCP to translate between the PalmOS audio stream functions and the BT audio output streams...?
And if you can pull it off for the Treo, it opens the door of possibility for support of other BT-enabled Palms... :D


Opera mini, Blazer:
Bah, NetFront is still better :p
It's a pity those Palm nazi's don't have a Java VM for anything other than Palm devices because I wanted to try this :(
I'm a bit cagey on this reliance on a proxy server 'tho
I suspect you guys don't use Opera, but it has "Fit to Width" and "Small screen" modes, which are very good - If they could port those to a PalmOS version the browser would rock.
At this time 'tho, the Fit Width/Small Screen modes are very similar to the NetFront 3.1 modes I have on my TH55.


Kmaps:
Sounds cool. Wish I could try it :(


"Antiquated Clie":
Oooh! OOH! Right, that's it Darth Porkins! I'm coming after you!! ... Or I would if I had enough money to fly across the pond... :(
Mmm. Ah! There's an idea!
Josh, next time you and Jeff are near each other, give him a Wedgie for me! That'll teach him, yeah!


JAmerican:
Sharky! Don't encourage him damnit! You're supposed to be the level-headed mature part of this cast!! :p :D


...1 x 30min podcast:
HAHAHAHAHAHA!
Dude, you'd jump on the mike for 5 and be on it for 30 :p


Woody Woodpecker -> warped mind:
Oh my god, the newspaper stories were true!!!


Comments:
The lag and that weird ultra-high-pitched whistling sound on the podcast need fixing!
Aside from that, a good cast ;)
I espescially liked the "We better wrap this up" comment about halfway through :p :D

I really confused now. LOL

JAmerican

[Jeff Kirvin]

Oh What A Treo I Do Have.

[JAmerican]

Oh What A Treo I Do Have.

You have it now. Well enjoy. Compare your T5 and Treo for us. :)

JAmerican

[Sharkk717]

JAm :D you should be rejoicing that jeff has finally gotten a keyboard device ! isn't this a one small step (err... one small keyboard) kind of thing?

regards, tyler

[JAmerican]

JAm :D you should be rejoicing that jeff has finally gotten a keyboard device ! isn't this a one small step (err... one small keyboard) kind of thing?

regards, tyler

Your right. Didn't think of it that way :) One small step to keyboard devices, another small step for Clamshells :)

BTW Kirvin, I see you tipped off Brighthand (http://brighthand.com/article/Palm_Hiring_Linux_Developers).

JAmerican

[Jimmie Geddes]

Ahhh the feeling of having a new palm:) I am looking forward to your take on your Treo 650, if you couldn't tell by now I LOVE mine.

[Jeff Kirvin]

Observation the First: it's tiny.

[JAmerican]

Could you do a picture review or something. I already know how the Treo 650 looks and feels but I don't know how it goes up against the T5.

JAmerican

[PDAJah]

Jeff, congrats on the Treo.

[smoothjordan]

I actually prefer my 650 over my T|5, brighter screen, smaller, and always on internet :)

[Sharkk717]

calling all Treo 650 owners: would you mind emailing me if you have a bluetooth headset? i have just sent off some beta code to PDAJah (thanks so much for offering to test!).

regards, tyler

[Cyker]

I really confused now. LOL

JAmerican

Yeah, I have that effect on people. Sorry ;)


BTW... when did Sharky change his handle? I just noticed it's different... ;)

[gfunkmagic]

Oh What A Treo I Do Have.


Well, you might have wished you have waited cuz there's rumors that the next gen "Treo 700" runing Cobalt 6.1, 64 MB ram, 1xEvdo, etc will be released before the end of this year...

http://discussion.treocentral.com/showthread.php?t=90603&page=9&pp=20

[Sharkk717]

after that darn movie Sharkboy and Lava Girl came out and ruined by credibility :D

regards, tyler

[gfunkmagic]

Hey tyler, I sent you an email! ;)

[JAmerican]

after that darn movie Sharkboy and Lava Girl came out and ruined by credibility :D

regards, tyler

LMAO... Sharkboy and.... (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0424774/)

JAmerican

[Jimmie Geddes]

Tyler just sent you an email as well. Radioshack had a motorola bt headset in stock, they're in my town so I got it and will decide which I like better this or the palm one.

[Sharkk717]

thanks jimmie and gfunk :D i just sent out a beta to everyone who sent me emails.

regards, tyler

[Jimmie Geddes]

Shark I just installed are there specific directions? I emailed you this as well. I selected bt headset from the choices, then tried aeroplayer. I am probably doing something wrong.

[Cyker]

after that darn movie Sharkboy and Lava Girl came out and ruined by credibility :D

regards, tyler

ROFL!! Ah man, that film was hilarous :p (in a cheesy lame b-movie kinda way, I mean! :eek: )

[tungsten t5]

wow! over 100 replys!

[Sharkk717]

hello! okay, is there anyone who sent in for the beta who wouldn't mind going on AIM and doing some debugging? i'm determined to get this to work.

best regards, tyler

[T-Man]

Is this dealing with the BT headset thing?

[Sharkk717]

yup

regards, tyler

[T-Man]

I dont have Treo, :(, LifeDrive...

[gfunkmagic]

thanks jimmie and gfunk :D i just sent out a beta to everyone who sent me emails.

regards, tyler


:( Unfortunately, it doesn't seem to work... If you guys are still online, my aim screenie is gfunkmagic fyi...

[tungsten t5]

sharky, where can i get sharkswipe z? I looked on your site and didn't see anything.

[quasar]

Tyler, will the BT headset application only work with the Treo 650 because it already has some form of audio redirection for the calls, or will it be able to do this will all BT handhelds? I would like to do something like this with my Zodiac.

[Fishing4444]

You guys sound like Penn Gillette and Bevis. I found Opera to be VERY fast but kind of weird in that it jumps around a lot and is hard to use a bit. I love Xiino. Have you checked that out? it's a must, you'll never use Blazer (wack) again. JL

[Sjweise]

hello! okay, is there anyone who sent in for the beta who wouldn't mind going on AIM and doing some debugging? i'm determined to get this to work.

best regards, tyler

Would this possibly work on a non-phone device? If it could pair my freesperak to my T3 I would most certainly owe you (or someone) my soul.

[Sjweise]

About the length: now that I use TCPMP for podcast listening I can stop it and come back to it anytime I want so length is not a concern. I like the idea of a "pod-blog" where people could just blog short commentary daily. If that would evolve, I'd have to really sit down and implement a sync system like Jeff suggested with Itunes and synctoy and whatever else the steps where (thank goodness for archives :rolleyes: )

Woody Woodpecker : The originals have always outshined the latter-day versions. That particular episode was extremely funny with all the literal translations of his slang. Classic Tom & jerry and Looney Tunes had the smae humor and have never been appropriately duplicated.

Helpdesk Treo: Why hasn't anyone mentioned VNC remote desktop control? With a Treo I think that would be an obvious choice. I used Winhand while it was free and had a lot of fun controlling my desktop remotely ( all music in the house is linked/played thru the PC so I could control playlists via my handheld anywhere in the house). Isn't there a plethora of uses you could come up with for remote access?

I've noticed that your podcasts have increased in quality - its easier to hear and understand you now. If I play these in Realplayer in my car's stereo I have to jack the volume WAY up to hear you well. Core is a bit better. Have you changed the production of the podcasts?

[Sjweise]

Does anyone know the proxy server opera uses? Could I enter that into Webpro's proxy settings?

[DennisOS2]

Two-fisted entertainment in tonight's podcast with special guest Tyler Faux! In this 84 minute monster podcast (free up some on your memory card!) we cover: Google Talk and Google Sidebar, the delay in Windows Mobile 5 for the hx4705, can I keep my new Treo, why redirecting audio to the Bluetooth headset shouldn't be impossible (and how one young New Yorker might be convinced to work on a fix!), Opera Mini, Kmaps and other great Treo-centric Palm applications, this week's 1SRC editorial and finally, the nature of podcasting itself. Block out some time and get comfortable, this is... the 1SRC Podcast! [details (http://www.1src.com/?m=show&id=1204)]

Kmaps sounds great. DL'ed, installed, all set. The opening screen asks for an email address and password? To what? It doesn't say. Went to the Kmap site, it doesn't say. Can someone enlighten me? Thanks.

[Sjweise]

Why not have a flip phone Treo? Most phones are clamshell anyways.

[Jeff Kirvin]

The last three podcasts were recorded with TeamSpeak because I had a guest on each show. When I'm going solo, I use Audacity. I'll take a look at my sound settings in Audacity.

[smoothjordan]

Kmaps sounds great. DL'ed, installed, all set. The opening screen asks for an email address and password? To what? It doesn't say. Went to the Kmap site, it doesn't say. Can someone enlighten me? Thanks.
Your gmail account. It runs through google, so that's what it needs. Once you get passed that, your good to go and map away! I love that app, the guys at treocentral.com are crazy with that stuff :) Anyways, I don't think I would like a clamshell treo but i'm open to anything. It's current design is top notch, imo, and is awesome in almost everything, but fails in one design flaw- You have to take the battery cover off to do a soft reset. WTF, that's the stupidest thing ever...

[Jimmie Geddes]

I was wondering how Jeff is liking his treo? And Tyler with his experiment.

[T-Man]

For KMaps to work, I need IBM's Webdhare Micro or whatever. Help?

[Jeff Kirvin]

I was wondering how Jeff is liking his treo? And Tyler with his experiment.
As far as Tyler is concerned, it's still in progress. Better him than me. I hate assembly language.

As for me, I'm crazy happy. I was going to write up a first impressions report for tonight's column, but that's lame and cliched. I have something more interesting in mind.

(now back to writing... before Reggie brings out the whip...)

[T-Man]

KMaps help...

[Simony]

As far as Tyler is concerned, it's still in progress. Better him than me. I hate assembly language.

As for me, I'm crazy happy. I was going to write up a first impressions report for tonight's column, but that's lame and cliched. I have something more interesting in mind.

(now back to writing... before Reggie brings out the whip...)

Stop teasing already and let's see an editorial on your new Treo.

[T-Man]

:) Please...
*cough*KMaps and LifeDrive*cough*

[Jimmie Geddes]

Great Jeff, looking very forward to your thoughts. I also want to know how you like mobitv.

[T-Man]

??????:(?????

[Jimmie Geddes]

I am testing Tyler's app, and I know he's gonna get this to work. He does amazing work.

[T-Man]

No one? :(

[Jeff Kirvin]

No one? :(
Follow the directions on the Kmaps website. They're very clear.

[T-Man]

Ok, let me go...

[T-Man]

Link? :o hehe

[smoothjordan]

www.google.com search for Kmaps
:)

[T-Man]

:D THanks...

[T-Man]

I installed everything in that Java .zip with Eng and still nothing. Can someone tell me exactly what to install? Sorry to ask som much...

[T-Man]

Nevermind, I didnt have enough memory. :o Just deleted some and I'll see what happens. dont have too much time to fiddle because of school.

Timm

[NX70BOY]

Hey Jeff, you can make your podcasts as long as you want to. We'll just fast forward or pause if we need to. ;)

[NX70BOY]

(also, i thought it was quite humorous when you said "Wrapping up the podcast..." at 44 minutes :D)

[johnsoax]

Anyone else hear a high pitched squeel during the podcast? Cause the headache it's giving me might keep me from listening to this insanely long podcast.

I've heard that squeal on both podcasts Thirty Eight and Thirty Seven. They have been so bad that I couldn't listen to either of them. Could it be iTunes?

[NX70BOY]

I've listened with iTunes and WMP10. Both have that high-pitched sound when Jeff talks.

[Jeff Kirvin]

Yeah, I think it's an artifact from TeamSpeak. Oddly, you can't hear it in Pocket Tunes, but if you listen on the desktop, it's there. I'm going solo this week, so it should be fine. I use Audacity for recording without a guest.

[NX70BOY]

I like the idea of having multiple, shorter casts throughout the week. I think that would be fun, and more current.

[T-Man]

But we also need the sumarisong one on Wednesday. :)

I figured it out, installed the right files. Java wants some url. (???) But it works. How came I cant view maps on my LifeDrive???? I click the 'Map' button, the LED either stays orange for 2 seconds then flicks off, or just flickers. :(