Clie NR70V + BT MS + USB Dongle + share ADSL connection

[Unregistered]

Hi,

I´m having problems with my setup. My home LAN scheme: 2 computers (1 desktop, 1 laptop, both W2000 Pro), linked to a wired network through a 5 ports Ethernet HUB, which link them to a ADSL router. Fixed IPs. So, the PCs have IPS 192.168.0.5, 192.168.0.10, subnet mask 255.255.255.0 and default gateway, 192.168.0.2 (router Ethernet IP).

I can browse the net trough both PCs, no matter which one is on (of course).

Now we add to the equation a USB BT dongle, and a NR70V Clie with MS BT, and want to share the ADSL connection through the PC with the dongle installed ( desktop ) (and maybe sinchronyze wirelessly).

What can I do now? How to set up the LAN BT connection, and the Clie? I have tried several setups, but nothing works ( give another fix IP to the BT LAN adaptor, and another to the Clie Network PPP setting, use Mocha PPP, try to share the connection, but It says that another LAN connection is using 192.168.0.1 ?? ).

Please, help! :-) . Thanks in advance,

Edu

edurio2@terra.es

Nothing seems to work. I´ve tried at the office (by the way, it uses DHCP, and It took me 5 minutes to complete the setup and check my mail account). Do I have to switch to DHCP enabled setup? (sounds too complicated).

[Muzikfreakah]

So you can connect through the office? Here an old connection wizrd list from reggie that may help you out:
PC:
- Win XP Pro
- Intel ethernet card connected to Cable modem
- Integrated Bluetooth on motherboard (MSI 845E Max2-BLR)

Clie:
- Clie NR70V
- Sony Bluetooth Module

Apps:
- Bluetooth drivers
- Hotsync app
- Pocketlink 2.27

The first thing I had to do was to install all the Bluetooth drivers without the "jp" extension that I found in the Japanese CD that came with the Bluetooth Module. A restart was necessary to have the drivers run and make the blue LED of the bluetooth module glow.

Under Prefs, a new 'Bluetooth' entry appeared. This lets you scan your surroundings for Bluetooth enabled devices. It detected my PC and I created a trust relationship between the two, setting a common password to make sure that neighbors having Bluetooth devices, can't just connect to my mini Bluetooth network.

Under Prefs->Connection, I created a new entry called 'Bluetooth Connection', and specified it to connec to the Local Netowrk via Bluetooth with my PC as the main device. I also changed its Details to use 115,200bps as its speed and Automatic Flow Ctl.

Having my Clie connect to my PC was really straight forward. All I had to do is was to setup my Hotsync manager to listen to my Local COM 5 (which my Bluetooth card was using). I also made sure that I checked both Local USB and Local Serial in case I want to use the crable, or use Bluetooth.

On my Clie, I configured the Hotsync app to connect Local using the 'Bluetooth Connection' I created in Prefs->Connection. Clicking on the hotsync icon syncs my Clie as if it's on the cradle. I though it was really cool, allowing me to hotsync at the living room when my PC was in the bedroom.

That was all yesterday night. Tonight, I decided to become adventurous and wanted to try out surfing on the Clie. New to Bluetooth, I tried reading on threads regarding Bluetooth. My first impression was, if I wanted to surf, I needed to use a $9.95 app called Mocha PPP on my PC to share my Internet connection. Actually, it's easier that I thought.

Since I was using WinXP, I just went to Control Panel->Network Connections, and ran the Network Setup Wizard (yes, i used the wizard). I chose the first option, that my PC connects directly to the internet, and I would like other computers to connect to the network using the same connection. I chose my Intel Ethernet card as my main internet connection, and on the next screen, I chose my Bluetooth card as the other connection to bridge to the Intel card. I gave it a minute to do it's changes and that's it!

On my Clie, under Prefs->Netwrok, I created a new service called 'Bluetooth Network', left blank both the user name and password, and chose 'Bluetooth Connection' as the connection. Under details, I chose PPP as the connection type, never timeout, checked both Query DNS and Automatic IP address. Under Script, I left it blank.

I ran PocketLink and under Settings->Network Settings, I just specified 'Bluetooth Network', and under Settings->Modem Settings, I chose 'Bluetooth Connection'. I clicked PocketLink's Home toolbar icon, and the Clie connected to my PC, and started downloading Pocketlink's web pages! I tried to connect to Google, and it worked. I tried connecting to ClieSource, and it downloaded the main page for maybe 30 seconds. I tried clicking on an active topic, that was then it failed. I figured it has something to do with cookies, etc. Oh well, I'm really very happy that everytihng performed well, and decided to share it with everyone.

I know that Pocketlink might not be the best browser out there but it was the newest one in the files section and I think it does perform really well. One thing I wish is if it can use smaller fonts, and allow me to browse on hires+ and on landscape mode.

[golalmo]

"On my Clie, under Prefs->Netwrok, I created a new service called 'Bluetooth Network', left blank both the user name and password, and chose 'Bluetooth Connection' as the connection. Under details, I chose PPP as the connection type, never timeout, checked both Query DNS and Automatic IP address. Under Script, I left it blank. "

I wan't able to connect without my provider DNS.
After entering them, I was able to surf with pocketlink, with no problems.

[edurio]

Hi, fellas:

First of all, thank you very much for your help. It has been very usefull

Thats the way I did it:

ADSL router: ethernet adress 192.168.0.10

LAN: IP 192.168.0.5, netmask 255.255.255.0, default gateway 192.168.0.10, and the DNS servers of my ISP ; share connection activated

Bluetooth LAN adapter: IP 192.168.0.1, netmask 255.255.255.0 , default gateway left blank, and the DNS servers of my IP

Clie: made a connection to my desktop, 115.200 speed, automatic flow control. Then, made a Network using that connection, using PPP, gave the clie its own IP (192.168.0.4) , and also entered the DNS servers of my ISP

The bluetooth local services were all disbled but network access and local port (COM5). Also checked client aplicationes, and they were all off.

That worked for me. I´m going to make differente trials, as some of the settings are redundant I guess. But if finally worked flawlessly.

Thank you all again,

Edu

[edurio]

WTF!.....It stopped working. I printed out the whole setup after the former success. And now, It stopped working :confused: Dont know what happened.

I will keep on trying and posting.

Edu

[edurio]

Something more I´ve figured out...most of the people uses a direct connection, meaning that the cable-modem/router is connected directly to the main PC (through an ethernet card, usb, whatever.....).And, most of the times, it´s a "mono-station" setup, so the cable-modem/router works as a modem (doesn´t have a IP)

My case is slightly different. Don´t want that setup, becouse I lose security and flexibility (and I have to change everything XD ).
My router has it´s own IP (it acts as a true router/gateway/firewall with NATP enabled). The desktop has another IP, and uses the router as a gateway. The laptop also has its own IP, and also uses the router as a gateway, all of them connected trough a hub.

So...now I have another network adapter: the bluetooth. And I use it to link the Clie to the desktop. The way looks something like "connect the clie to the desktop (its ok...I can synch and so), and then tell, in any way, the BT adapter to use some gateway to connect to the net....the router, the LAN adapter of the desktop? )

I´m losing my self I guess....hope it helps.

Edu

[edurio]

Hi!

I found that, in the "connection" service in Clie, the setup was to "Connect to: PC", not Local network. Changed that (sure I didn´t select that...somehow, it was changed after the first successfull connection) , and Im surfint wirelessly again. How long will it last? Who knows.....

By the way, thats the last working setup

ADSL router: ethernet adress 192.168.0.10

LAN: IP 192.168.0.5, netmask 255.255.255.0, default gateway 192.168.0.10, and the DNS servers of my ISP ; share connection activated

Bluetooth LAN adapter: IP 192.168.0.1, netmask 255.255.255.0 , default gateway left blank, and the DNS servers of my IP

Clie: made a connection to a local network, 115.200 speed, automatic flow control. Then, made a Network using that connection, using PPP, automatic IP, and also entered the DNS servers of my ISP

Its working....now XD

Edu

[n2ifp]

Congrats on getting a tough setup working :)!

[edurio]

Thank you! It´s worth the effort...now I can read all my mail lists messages, and usenet newsgroups while sitting on the sofa next to my wife...and she can´t complaint, as I´m not in front of the PC but close to her :-D.

Just lets add another BT dongle to make her laptop wireless (or mine, if I want to use it from time to time due to some heavy web surfing or message reply, not affordable with my poor Clie), and sure she will be also pleased :P

Edu

[edurio]

Hi!

After the great success (and hard too), and impressed by the performance of bluetooth in my apartment (is not very big and almost square, with the desktop that acts as a server using bluetooth in the middle), I´ve removed lots of wires, just using more BT adaptors.

So, I´ve blown the hub away, connected the router to the destop, and also bought a print bluetooth adaptor. So, both my laptop (bluetooth equipped EOM), my wife´s laptop (USB dongle), and our Clie´s share the connection thorugh the main destkop. We can print almost anything from almost everywhere in the house.

So, by the way, WiFi is not for me, as long as we don´t need more range. Really don´t know how long and hard would be a WiFi setup, but, after the first battles, all the setup has been fast (whole LAN made wireless in less then 30 min).

About speed...I´ve been downloading stuff from the net at 26 kb/s (256 download speed max, theoretically) all around the house. Just one room, and in its end, had some drops, but even though, the page finally downloaded.

Just wish there were a newsreader client with hires+ and small font suppor...and a mail reader (iambic just dont allow small fonts, so, when you try to read messages from mail lists, its a pain, as the only thing you see in "subject" is the tag of the list)

Funny and useful thing wireless.....

Thanks you all!

Edu

[hcmiller]

i've tried for two days every listed possible combination of settings... i can only hotsync with bluetooth and not browse the web... i give up... i think the much hyped plug and play of bluetooth is a crock (for the usb dongle)... but maybe i should direct my anger at ms and their crappy internet connection sharing... as a side note it works brilliantly with my nokia 3650 and clie'

[edurio]

Hi again!....

Something strange is happening. From time to time, the ICS looks down. I can surf the web through my desktop, use mail, newsgroups...but my Clie can´t. The only solution is to disable LAN, disable ICS, enable ICS, and then, enable LAN again. Everything works ok then...but you can´t know for how long.

Sometimes it works ok for all the session, and sometimes, after a few minutes, you´re out.

Other times, I have to reboot my rooter, becouse the PC doesn´t have access to the net either.

And others, I have to do bot.

And many others, eMule is working, but I can´t access my nttp server, browse the web or send/receive emails from the desktop (and, of course, from the Clie). So, there is a connection, but still don´t know why, the DNS servers look down. I want to have a try using my mail servers IP also in the Clie next time, and see what happens. Maybe a rare DNS server behaviour may be the reason, but really don´t know why resetting the router works it out.

Anyone? Bogus Windows 2000 Pro ICS connection? Router about to die?

Thanks!!!!

Edu

[n2ifp]

Originally posted by edurio
Hi again!....

Something strange is happening. From time to time, the ICS looks down. I can surf the web through my desktop, use mail, newsgroups...but my Clie can´t. The only solution is to disable LAN, disable ICS, enable ICS, and then, enable LAN again. Everything works ok then...but you can´t know for how long.

Sometimes it works ok for all the session, and sometimes, after a few minutes, you´re out.

Other times, I have to reboot my rooter, becouse the PC doesn´t have access to the net either.

And others, I have to do bot.

And many others, eMule is working, but I can´t access my nttp server, browse the web or send/receive emails from the desktop (and, of course, from the Clie). So, there is a connection, but still don´t know why, the DNS servers look down. I want to have a try using my mail servers IP also in the Clie next time, and see what happens. Maybe a rare DNS server behaviour may be the reason, but really don´t know why resetting the router works it out.

Anyone? Bogus Windows 2000 Pro ICS connection? Router about to die?

Thanks!!!!

Edu

Hi, isn't it so much fun :D!

I had to have all my settings in the Clie set manually for reliability. Additionally PowerSaveOn has to be unchecked!!!

[edurio]

Hi!

Well....It´s working again :confused: ...made the old trick: disbled ICS, uninstalled bluetooth in Desktop, reinstalled bluetooth, enabled ICS, setup the LAN parameters, and voilá! Wireless again. Did it at 10:00 pm, and this morning, at 6:30 am, I wake up, got my Clié, made a wireless hotsync (worked), and then, tried to check my email with great success . :D

So, the connection stayed alive for more than 8 hours ! We have new record! I´m wondering if it has anything to do with eMule... I´ve been downloading a movie during the last weeks (before, just used it from time to time), the same time I´m having those net troubles...I can´t explain myself that weird behaviour, but I´m not a computer guru, so......

Anyway....what do you exactly mean with "have all my settings in the Clie set manually for reliability"? Each time you want to connect, you have to do the whole setup ( I know...it just takes a couple of minutes, but....) ? And...wich Power off do you mean? AFAIK, Auto power-off in PalmOS can´t be disabled (excluding hacks, of course).:D

Thanks again. I´ll keep on posting!

Edu

[n2ifp]

Originally posted by edurio
Hi!
Anyway....what do you exactly mean with "have all my settings in the Clie set manually for reliability"? Each time you want to connect, you have to do the whole setup ( I know...it just takes a couple of minutes, but....) ? And...wich Power off do you mean? AFAIK, Auto power-off in PalmOS can´t be disabled (excluding hacks, of course).:D

Thanks again. I´ll keep on posting!

Edu

No-no, what I meant was to put in the static settings once, instead of auto settings. Manually enter the IP, DNS, and Gateway addresses one time. I have found the auto is not all that reliable with some WAP units and the Clie's primative driver.

In the network wireless advance settings under preferences on your Clie where you would set your WEP key and stuff. The PowerSaveOn feature can kill or severely slow down the connection speeds!

[edurio]

Hi!

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No-no, what I meant was to put in the static settings once, instead of auto settings. Manually enter the IP, DNS, and Gateway addresses one time. I have found the auto is not all that reliable with some WAP units and the Clie's primative driver.
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Mmmm....¿wap?¿Wireless application protocol?¿Wireless access point? I´m asking that becouse I´m using bluetooth, not WiFi. I entered both DNS and IP manually, but I have no choice about gateway.

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In the network wireless advance settings under preferences on your Clie where you would set your WEP key and stuff. The PowerSaveOn feature can kill or severely slow down the connection speeds!
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Bluetooth does not allow that...you can enable or disable, but there is no auto power off.

Anyway...I´ve found one issue: the BT dongle. When I first installed everything succesfully Clie MS+PC/DSL , I was using a cheap Class 1 BT dongle, made by a don´t-remember-the-name-first-time-heard company from Taiwan. I checked signal strength all aroung the house, and then, I decided to extend the wireless thing.

Bougth a Trust USB BT dongle (Class 2), not so cheap, with the same range (though theoretically It may work better, as it´s Class 2 ). I wanted to swap both adapters, so that the "best" (theoretically) was installed in the PC that acts as a bluetooth access point, and the "worst" was installed in a laptop. Then troubles began, but I was able to connect (from time to time) Clie to the shared DSL connection, and laptop too ( file transfers worked ok, and hotsync too). But I found out that signal strength was worse, and I was having drops in places where I´ve been downloading lots of things with my clie flawlessly.

Yesterday, I swapped dongles again, discovering that Clie was surfing the web ok through PC+DSL+cheap-dongle all around the house again. But laptop, though it can do file transfers and so, do not connect to the shared connection.

I´m going for another dongle from the same model, and have a try. If it works, I will exchange it to get a "cheap" one ( it does what I want it to do, and 20 bucks are always welcome!), and I will know where was the issue. If it does not work, I will exchange it too, and try then.

Also will try to mix drivers and software with dongles (Im convinced it has something to do with installation... drivers by Trust look really worse, had some installation issues that I´ve never had with the drivers shipped with the cheap dongle). You know...installed the same software in two computers, with the same SO, service pack and upgrades, and I get different icon sets, different messages....

Will keep on posting ! :D

Edu

[n2ifp]

Forget it, you had confuzzled me in another post. I know nothing about bluetooth, nor do I want to :).

Sorry!