Palm Doesn't Stand a Chance...Who Said Windows Mobile Sucks?

[.PoNeH]

Just wanted to point out some of the features that Windows Mobile 5.0 devices will incorporate. Palm's new, long awaited, OS doesn't even come close.

http://www.brighthand.com/article/Persistent_Storage_--_It-s_a_Good_Thing?site=PPC

Who said Windows Mobile 5.0 sucks?

[Cyker]

'eh? This article just talks about Microsoft's NVFS equivalent for PPC.... I am not sure what you're trying to get at...

[.PoNeH]

I'm getting at the doors that the new Windows OS will open.

[LupeValenz]

Sounds like the same thing we Palm users had for a while now...??

[cerberus]

Sounds like the same thing we Palm users had for a while now...??

What Clie do you have? If my battery runs down, all my apps and data that are stored in internal memory are gone. This "persistent storage" that the article talks of will keep that from happening. I've not yet seen one Clie that can do that....

[JAmerican]

Lets also talk about VIDEO streaming. Something I don't think Palms will be able to do. Also, the advantage of getting a Windows Mobile device is a lot of updates for your device, such as upgrading to a new OS. Palms don't do that anymore and I doubt will ever.

JAmerican

[jjesusfreak01]

Just keep a close eye on TCPMP for the video streaming.

To those NVFS lovers, what the devices need to incorporate is non volatile RAM. Yes, it does exist, and it has been out for a while. At the moment, some of current methods are way too expensive, but it is the way of the future.

Imagine, a device with one type of storage, 100GBs of non volatile RAM. Yes, they have it that dense now (you could easily fit that much in a PDA in the space the RAM chips take). You could designate 1GB as permanent RAM, and use the rest for NVFS storage. If absolutely needed, the OS could essentially use some of the unused space on the drive as a paging file, but it would be just as fast as the regular RAM.

What does everyone think about this. Future small tablet PCs will use this type of technology.

[JAmerican]

Just keep a close eye on TCPMP for the video streaming.

To those NVFS lovers, what the devices need to incorporate is non volatile RAM. Yes, it does exist, and it has been out for a while. At the moment, some of current methods are way too expensive, but it is the way of the future.

Imagine, a device with one type of storage, 100GBs of non volatile RAM. Yes, they have it that dense now (you could easily fit that much in a PDA in the space the RAM chips take). You could designate 1GB as permanent RAM, and use the rest for NVFS storage. If absolutely needed, the OS could essentially use some of the unused space on the drive as a paging file, but it would be just as fast as the regular RAM.

What does everyone think about this. Future small tablet PCs will use this type of technology.

I doubt that our Sony CLIE devices will be able to stream clearly @ 123Mhz but TCPMP has been known to perform miracles so I guess I shouldn't doubt it that much.

JAmerican

[LupeValenz]

What Clie do you have? If my battery runs down, all my apps and data that are stored in internal memory are gone. This "persistent storage" that the article talks of will keep that from happening. I've not yet seen one Clie that can do that....

Not clie, I was talking bout Palm OS with the T5, Treo 650, etc.

[Dolomite]

What Clie do you have? If my battery runs down, all my apps and data that are stored in internal memory are gone. This "persistent storage" that the article talks of will keep that from happening. I've not yet seen one Clie that can do that....

Take a look at the UX series. They have a built in backup feature that will copy your data into "persistant storage" Nothing in your RAM will be lost in event of battery drain.

[glassman]

Take a look at the UX series. They have a built in backup feature that will copy your data into "persistant storage" Nothing in your RAM will be lost in event of battery drain.


I have never seen this feature work "as advertised".

I have let my backup UX50 drain and it alway reverts back to factory settings. The manual power-savings backup data is not overwritten prior to battery failure.

Thank goodness for BackupMan.

[SonyStyle]

gooooo windows mobile!!!!!!!!!! if palm doesnt get cobalt out, they are doomed. garnet wont' last them forever.

[bazman]

I agree, I think palm OS probably is doomed.

Question is though, if we're all so keen on windows mobile - which device would you go for? At what point do you think something better than the UX will come out?

[glassman]

I agree, I think palm OS probably is doomed.

Question is though, if we're all so keen on windows mobile - which device would you go for? At what point do you think something better than the UX will come out?

I recently bought a Dell Axim x50v. I couldn't resist the price.

- x50v pda (VGA, Bluetooth, WiFi, ...)
- extra battery
- cradle
- 2 year warranty w/advanced exchange
- case
- free upgrade to Windows Mobile 5 (in October)

...all for $288 direct from Dell (after coupons and discounts).

I'm waiting for the screen protector before really using it. Looks like I may be selling one of my UX50s. I'll still keep at least one UX50 though.

[LupeValenz]

Oh oh ohhh, I got dibs!!!!

[kennyd]

Palm's next step will be to utilize a linux base device. I would think that the newer linux base devices will have flash upgradable capacity. The current Palm nvfs IMO is nothing more than an expesive alpha test of hardware. I returned my LD before my 14 return window was up. I'm looking forward to huge storage space on devices, but nvfs in its current state, whether that is due to the hard drive or firmware for the drive I don't know, but something extreme has to change before I'll be a buyer. My Zod has 128mb of real RAM and two sd slots. My Zod runs apps and databases from an sd card more effectively than the LD did from it's hard drive. The stability of my LD was shot before I had even fully loaded it. The stability seemed to be due to both the device and 3rd party software. PPC's at this point are not a whole lot different to me than my experience with the LD. I've never used a PPC with large storage but just your basic HP smartphone through tmobile is what I have used. The PPC was a very clumsy navigating experience for me. I can dial a phone number from my palm device via BT to another phone in less taps than the ppc could do dialing to its own built in phone. Even working with basic pim's on a PPC after using a palm is a difficult compromise on speed to agree with. I hope that as devices progress that fast UI and hardware are given a higher priority than greasy fat on the bone.