Legacy -- Lespasian War

[gyffes]

Hola, peoples. I'm starting this thread for anyone with questions about the newest addition to the Legacy world: the Lespasian War.

I've been through it a few times, though only in beta versions, and the author's made substantial changes since I last visited; I'll be replaying the latest version (see Handango) this weekend to try an' ferret out all the secrets. This is a great map with some interesting twists that casual players might struggle with.

Happy Legacying!


Oh -- forgot to mention suggested starting level: umm.. I'd say, 18-20th level, depending 'pon your party's makeup. The author recommends Lespas for those who've just finished LEGEND.


:( I just discovered a bug we thought we'd gotten rid of -- until Plinny gets this fixed, DO NOT USE CURSE ON GWEE-DOOOO (and to be safe, don' try it on ANY of the gnomes!)

:rolleyes: Well, the author assures me his code is clean, so it's possible I have an older version. For the record, the bug that _I_ have works like this: Cast CURSE at a critter and JUST as the 'spell image' hits, Legacy on my laptop freezes. I need to use Task manager to kill the process. However, the game starts back up again and I easily can resume from the last save (hint: SAVE OFTEN!)

[Tixx]

Hi gyffes. :) Nice to see more expansions out like this and the Ring. Guess I have to give them a go on my treo now.

[piriec]

Hi, I just purchased this module and am stuck. I found all prisoners, found cach in cell 6, killed all guards, found storage room, found mess hall, guards quarters and locked door to Wardens Quarters. I have touched every wall and door and can't find a key for the door any where, let along Jareds Skalroot. Can you give me a hint? I love Legacy games and tend to consume them. Oh I am at Levels 13 & 14 with a swordmaster, highlander, battlemage and mage.

[gbol]

Go back to the guards quarters and try again, (click, click, click).

[piriec]

Thanks! I got the key and the herb. Now looking for rocks. Claire

[gyffes]

Pireic, you're going to struggle with a party that level. But struggle is good, no?

In the future, try to be a bit more oblique when discussing things (hidden cache, for example), for those who've not yet visited these places, eh? Why spoil others' fun?

[piriec]

Oops sorry, I don't want to give anything away. I got to the rock quarry and thought I had acomplished the quest but am stuck again. so I have gone back to main world to try to level up some more.

[WildCelt]

OK, I've been wandering around the quarry for a while now trying to find the hideout. Little help, anyone?

[kodeeak]

Have you talked to anyone?

If not, you need to.

If you have, you need to listen to them.

kodeeak

[gyffes]

One of the things I liked about the Quarry part is that it forces you to explore the ENTIRE area -- and, if whileyou do that you sorta keep your eye out for likely places for the hideout to be, you are ahead of the game.

Obvious Hint: check the edges.

[WildCelt]

Aha, I've found it! Thanks to both of you for the hints.

[G35man]

darn fine module!
I'm been playing for a couple of days, and my party (18-20th level) is stuck at the Garden of Eden...got the apple, got the Blue Crypt Key, but can't figure what do do with them (or the Holy Cross either)

Any help would be appreciated...

[gbol]

Keep going. You will know what to do with them when the time comes.

[WildCelt]

Boy, this one has been hard for me. I've played all of the other ones, but this one has had me stumped in several places.

I'm stuck now in the Eastern Ruins forest looking for an axe. Am I missing something obvious? I cannot find the darn thing!

[gbol]

That one gave me some problems too. Have you been under the ruins?

[gyffes]

Remember, the ruins are MORE than merly a few broken walls ABOVE GROUND...

[WildCelt]

Hmm. OK, so how do I get under them? I've checked all the walls, but I guess I'll double check.

[gyffes]

Don' forget -- there often is more to ruins THAN YOU SEE ABOVE GROUND!

[WildCelt]

<sigh> Crap, I guess I'm just not getting it...

I am not sure what I should be looking for. I haven't found any switches or ladders.

[gyffes]

Ok, Celt.. do this:

Examine EVERY INCH of the ruined walls.

Ain' that much wall there, look CAREFULLY.

Then, smack y'self in the head when you find what you seek.

[WildCelt]

OK, smacking has commenced.

Wow, this has been one of the most frustrating expansions (next to Chaos) that I've played!

Thanks for the help.

[gyffes]

Yes... Plinny was fond of those little switches, an' they don' get easier to find (you're about to head into the teeth of 'em.. return beggin' for help all nice-like an' we might offer some...), but you should've figgered that out from the trouble you had just gettin' out of prison!

[gbol]

I'll second that! Almost every time I get caught somewhere, it usually is a switch I missed, so check for those first before you give up.

[piriec]

I think I have found a bug. I got the wine ticket and was trying to figure out what do next, went into tavern, left tried to enter spell shop (it was night) then got a fatal exception reset on my Zodiac 2, after I reset and tried to go into Legacy I got a message that the application Legacy has been inappropriately modified. Who should I report this to? I am finding this expansion exceptionally tedious at times, but am managing to find the switches by touching every single thing I can. Thanks for any asisstance

[gyffes]

Hmph. So, you can't open Legacy AT ALL? Neither "new" party or Load existing party? Or are you only trying to "load party saved at last exit"?

May have a corrupted savefile, at this point. Email a copy of it with the message you just posted to stewe@redshift.hu and see if he can fix it.

Another, more drastic option (but probably a quicker fix) is to reload Legacy from your installer. You can move any backed-up savefiles back onto the machine and you won' have lost anything. Do Zodiacs have backups?

[piriec]

I had to uninstall and relaod my back ups, so far it looks ok. I will keep my fingers crossed. Thanks for the contact info. Now what to do after giving the apple to the priest? The search for the next quest continues. I was unable to open Legacy at all.

[gyffes]

Stewe is Legacy's technical designer/coder, so that's why I gave you his name.

Keep walking around, you'll find needed activities. You've been in the crypt, yeh?

[piriec]

Yep, I cleaned it out, then got the apple, beat the arena, now wondering the city. I get frustrated periodically but if I keep searching and trying differant outlooks I manage to find the next quest. I am at 18/19 level and still alive so I guess if you can figure out which weapons and spells work in the best combination you can go pretty far. I really like Legacy games more any other I have tried.

[NimitzClass]

Hi there. Please help me. I've looked everywhere but failed to find the token for the guard at Trondoor so that he will let me in. I found some muscle-relaxing mushrooms and don't know what to do with them. Thanks so much. I've been looking around for days. Please, please help me.

[Belleale]

I am having the same problem... I am pretty sure I have clicked everywhere possible and been everywhere possible. Even went back through the prison and quarry again. No idea what to do next, just keep on looking around for that token...

[Belleale]

NimitzClass,
Have you had any luck with the token? Where did you find the mushrooms?
Thanks :)

[NimitzClass]

Hi Belleale,
Nope, still no luck with the token. I've PMed gyffes though. Hope he can help me. I found the mushrooms somewhere outside the Troondoor gate, if I remember correctly.

[Belleale]

Cool, let me know what he says... :)

[NimitzClass]

Hey Belleale,
I found clues at pdarcade.com and finally found the token! I don't think some players would be pleased if I revealed the position outright but let's just say it's lying around on the ground just like the coins at Beraquel. Anyway, you can PM me if you wish to know the answer.

[NimitzClass]

I finally found the Troondoor token and am able to enter Troondoor. However, I'm at my wits end again over the following:

1. Where can I find brother Belcinot's crucifix? I've finecombed the entire area outside Lespas, having sneaked out through a hole at the Government Quarters.
2. Big question: I can't do much at the Troondoor Keep except wander around talking to Father Bilnar and the Ladvok Shiner, collecting stuff from the urns, touching Ladvok (which does not result in anything). I've hit and touched all the walls but nothing happens. I haven't got the key to put into the keyhole.
3. How long does the Undertaker's wife need before she can provide me with something that has been promised by her husband?
4. I notice a janitor in the Meeting Hall who keeps on telling me that the Government will only commence business on Monday. I've spent thousands of gold currency at the inn trying to catch Monday but to no avail.

I'm happy to note that the Lespasian Wars is written in better English as compared to some earlier games (which are equally great and exciting, language notwithstanding!). This makes it easier for me to understand instructions, notes etc. Good job fellas!

[Belleale]

Thanks NimitzClass,
I am going to check one last place before I give in... your advice about pdarcade may have done it for me. I also found the mushrooms... that was fun. :)
Anyway, back to the game... Thanks again.

[Stuck!]

Ok, I'm finally stuck enough to request help, I think. I'm in Lespas, I've gone through the church, the crypt, and the Garden of Eden. I've returned the axe and the yellow flower. I'm stuck just wandering through Lespas. I don't have any quests left, and I can't leave the city. What do I do next? Who do I need to see? Is there something/someone that can't point me in the right direction?

Thanks very much!

[Belleale]

I found the crusifix (I am not sure I remember exactly where, but I think I might- pm me and I will tell you) and as for the undertaker's wife... Hint- have you found the undertaker yet? You need to finish his quest, then he will direct you to his wife.
:)

[Belleale]

Sorry, that last post was for NimitzClass... it doesn't apply to the last post by "stuck".

Stuck- I have a severely limited memory, but have you gained access to the government quarter yet? Look everywhere and click everywhere.... That's the best advice I can give, hopefully someone else can be more precise.
:)

[NimitzClass]

Hey Belleale, I can't PM you. It seems you've either opted not to receive PMs or you're not allowed to receive PMs. By the way, I was going to ask you about the location of the crucifix. If it's not too much trouble, perhaps you could please PM me since I can't PM you. Thanks.

[NimitzClass]

Yes! Found the crucifix. Thanks to Plinydogg at pdarcade.

[NimitzClass]

Yessiree!!!!!!! I'm done with Lespasian Wars!!! Thanks so much to everyone especially Plinydogg, Barnold and Belleale.

[WildCelt]

This expansion has frustrated me like no other! I can usually get through them pretty well, but this one has me stumped in many places.

I cannot find that stupid token. And, is there something at the Melker Temple I'm missing? All I see is a bunch of statues.

[Belleale]

There is a hint for the location of the token at pdarcade.com: "find it in a misty haze". Hope that helps.
:)
Belleale

[WildCelt]

Yeah, I found what I needed to know at PDArcade. Thanks!

[gyffes]

And the temple is a small bit of bonus, gameplay is not keyed to success at the temple, so admire it, try a few statues, go on your way.

Or, stay and bash your head on the statues for hours. The choice, much as Republicans hate to admit it, is yours!

[phendric]

Hi all,

I've gotten to the chapel and into the crypt where I found the apple. I faced the arena and got past that and into the government quarter with the city key. I got into the senator's offices (1 locked), and into the meeting room (though nobody was meeting). The administrative offices are locked and I can't get in.

My problem is that I no longer have quests and the only way out of the city is to the Eastern ruins. One exit is blocked to me, and the exit from the prisoner's hideout is also blocked.

I've checked all of the walls in the government quarter for secret buttons and found nothing, so can someone give me a hint as to what to do/where to go next?

Thanks,
Phillip

[herosarerare]

I have made it to the crypt (third floor) and have found the god..forgot how to spell his name, but I cant seem to make a dent on him with anything I try. Did I miss some magic weapon?

[gyffes]

Phendric, dear, there is a building in the gov't quarters you CAN enter. Look around in there a bit more carefully. You'll find a way out.

Hero, Ladvok needs a special weapon to kill him/her/it. To acquire this, you need to visit a chick in the swamp. To see her, you need to find a map hidden in the crypt of St. Whassisname.

Gooood luck.

[herosarerare]

Hero[/B], Ladvok needs a special weapon to kill him/her/it. To acquire this, you need to visit a chick in the swamp. To see her, you need to find a map hidden in the crypt of St. Whassisname.

Im sure I have scoured that crypt everywhere, but if I missed the map, I missed it. Ill go searching again. I know there is one cell in the zoo, I think thats in the crypt, isnt it? I cant get into it..I have tried everything. Every wall, everything...any suggestions?
Thanks for your help.

[herosarerare]

Turns out that I had the map and I found the house. She gave me...well lets say an unexpected gift, initials YF is that the weapon???

I went back to do battle with the dragon/god and he was gone!!!! now what?

[unreg10]

I've been lurking this site and all the entries really helped me finish all of the Legend quests but am at my wit's end now.
I have Ardune's map and i'm in the swamp but I cant find her! On my map, I do see a square shaded portion but when I get to that square- there is nothing there.
I scoured the edges of the map, deliberately stepped on some poison puddle but nada!
Can anyone please help nudge me in the right direction?

[herosarerare]

I've been lurking this site and all the entries really helped me finish all of the Legend quests but am at my wit's end now.
I have Ardune's map and i'm in the swamp but I cant find her! On my map, I do see a square shaded portion but when I get to that square- there is nothing there.
I scoured the edges of the map, deliberately stepped on some poison puddle but nada!
Can anyone please help nudge me in the right direction?


You have to get close to her house before it appears, if you have the map, and it sounds like you do. In the swamp, SPOILER>>>>


go to the NorthWest corner about 3/4 of an inch in from the top and west edge. The house should appear with no effort on your part.

[bombbuster]

Ok, made almost all the way through the game without hints or help but now I'm stuck on somthing that's probably really easy: I can't find the judge.

The lady says the town judge has the weapon my party needs but I've searched every house in Troondor and the keep (all but the top floor)--and still nothing. Is this simply a case of having to revisit every place I've ever been in the last several maps (north Lespas, Swamp, etc.) to see if one of the formerly locked doors to some non-descript hut is now populated with said judge?

Er, also, any hints about where to find somethig to help the soldier?

[gyffes]

Think "outside the box", Bombie...

[bombbuster]

Yeah, I took my own advice and started checking every hut on the maps leading up to Troondor until I found what I needed. I finished the game but I never found anything to help the soldier....

[gyffes]

This one threw me for a loop, too, 'til Plinny clued me in: Think "magic 'shrooms."

[hgsmith]

Can someone help? I am in the Easter ruins with one red key but can't fins a second which would allow me inti the middle section.

[gyffes]

Well, as that's a HORRENDOUSLY inadequate description of what you've accomplished/where you've been/where you're trying to go, I'm not sure we'll be able to help you, much. Here are some questions you should answer for to receive more assitance:

1) Easter? Eastern?

2) You're IN the ruins, yeh?

3) You've entered the teleporter, yeh?

4) You've searched EVERYWHERE in the area to which you've been teleported?

5) You've opened the second bit of wall just next to that annoying corner piece you gott when you first entered the ruins?

See where I'm goin' with this? We need to know what you've done to point you further.

[hgsmith]

hi,
I am at the bottom right of the map accessed from the place where you are teleported to. There were two secret rooms.
I have a bit of unexplored area in the middle of the map and have found a keyhole which does nothing

H

[gyffes]

Right, that's much better.

First, no keyhole does nothing -- you jus don' have the correct key, yet.

Looking at your map, do you have TWO "removed" blocks side by side to the RIGHT of where you entered the ruins?

[hgsmith]

with my back to the entry ladder there is a locked door (with a face on it).
To my right there is a passage with one removed block, after "the office" sign and a door.

H

[gyffes]

Ok. Somewhere in the part of the dungeon you're in is a switch that, when pressed, will cause the 2nd bit of wall to crumble so you can go to the NEXT part of the dungeon, find the key that'll open the locked door and continue on.

Unfortunately, I'm not having success re-FINDING the switch I just mentioned, but it's there. I'll keep lookin' in case you just can't find it. Look in corners -- I say that from memory, not 'cause I found it, yet.

[hgsmith]

many thanks. I had to put some weights down but found it.

H

[Texas Girl]

OK, I give up. I can't find the switch that allows me access to the area in the crypt containing the map. I swear that I have broken many blades hitting every wall, but I have obviously missed one. What is so frustrating is that I have found it during a previous game! Any hints to a general area for me to go back over for the 100th time? Thanks.

[gyffes]

Heh.. Texas, I had the same problem. Found it my first time through an' then couldn' for the next 4.

The switch you need is located in an upside-down U type alcove ROUGHLY in the middle right of the map.

_|-|_

[Texas Girl]

Thanks. That one was evil. I know I looked at that one before. Now I can move forward.

[hgsmith]

hi,
I have a map but don't know where the swamp is. Any clues

[gyffes]

Have you spoked with someone Important in Troondoor?

Swamp's a biiiiig place. It is it's own special map (as in, "Enter Swamp?" sorta thing), not a part of a larger map.

[hgsmith]

ah where is Troondoor?

[gyffes]

Right. First order of business, get y'self NORTH NORTH NORTH.



An' don' come back askin' fer help 'til you've THOROUGHLY investigated the World of Lespas!!

[666fromuranus]

I'm sorry, but I've been over every inch of Saint Vendar's Crypt looking for this map. I have checked every wall 3 times for a switch, and I still can't find it!

Arrrgggh. This has been going on for a week and a half now. I'm at my wits end.

[gyffes]

Y'mean, my comment in post #66, above, which allowed Texas Girl to find the switch was not enough for you? Perhaps if uranus wasn' so full of urhead...?

[alienagenda]

Do you mean the "C alcove" directly under the "treasure room"? All the way on the west side of the map?

[alienagenda]

I meant east side

[gyffes]

Arr... I don' have the map open in front of me.. the response I gave TexasGirl was as precise as I could get w/o giving it away completely and spoiling it for anyone else. However, it is NOT along the East Wall, if that's what you meant by "all the way on.."

It's there. look at your map for C shaped wall parts. Go look at them more closely. There aren' THAT many in the area I described.

[herosarerare]

Im lost...im standing, well, right here and I can see walls around me, does that help? There are some things coming down the corridor and I see some switches. Can you tell me what to do?

just kidding.
:-)

[gyffes]

Hey, I've seen EXACTLY that post, here, before...

[shad66]

Hi guys

I'm in the Eastern ruins and have killed all the monsters in this area. i have pressed the secret button and got the message about the tree 'ripping' but cannot seem to find the damn tree in question.

A little help please. I have checked every tree on the edges of the map and think i have checked the trees in the middle of the map but I must be missing something. A clue as where the tree is pleeeeease! North south east or west in the map? on the edge or in the middle? :confused:

[WildCelt]

Check the trees in the vicinity of the ruins.

[gyffes]

Face the switch.

Back up a leeeetle.

Go north.


There. The clearest directions I'll EVER give...

[shad66]

Face the switch.

Back up a leeeetle.

Go north.


There. The clearest directions I'll EVER give...

D'oh :o

I must have run around that tree a hundred times before. Thanks for the help guys (esp Gyffes - I am honoured to be in receipt of your clearest directions ever. I know how much you hate being specific and like to make us poor saps work hard for our crumbs of info ;) ).

Anyway onwards and upwards there's a level waiting to be finished.

[gyffes]

:D Oh, you've MUCH fun ahead of you -- I felt that letting a leeetle thing like that damned tree (it caused me MUCH distress first time through) stop your progress was a bitt much..

[MikeM]

I finished the game but there are two things I still wonder about.

One, in the Melker temple is there a certain order to bow to the statutes and does that do anything.

Two, in the grave rober's hideout, in the animal zoo, one door does not have a lever. Is there a way to open it?

[gyffes]

2) Nope, don' worry about it.

1) There IS an order, it's not that hard to find (brute force -- try EVERY combination, there are only 24); the prize for discovery ain' that bad.

[MikeM]

I am wondering if there are any other expansions out there or any other quests to tackle. So far I have finished:

Legacy
Legacy Official Expansion Pack
Revenge
The Legend (including the secret dragons room at the end- easy)
Lespasian War
The Ring
Morah's plan
King's Aide

I think that some time ago there was talk about a Revenge 2 or a Legeng 2. Did they ever materialize?

[gyffes]

Revenge 2 has become vaporware due to the vagaries of Real Life, damnitall.

Legend 2 is verymuch a reality and should be available within a few months, provided the developer ever stops adding features and just says, "FINIT!"

[WildCelt]

There is one called Chaos as well, but I believe that was never finished either.

[godhead7]

Ok, I know that it is probably right in front of my face but can someone tell me where to find the mushrooms. I hve looked all around South of Troondor but can't seem to find them. It is the only quest I have left before I head out of there and it is frustrating me to no end!

PS- Gyffes, How's things, long time no see!

[piriec]

Finally finished Lespasian Wars, I never did get the oreder of the gods, but managed to get all the other quests done. This was a tough one and I can't wait for the Legand 2.
I had trouble with the mushrooms also, I think I just wondered systematically in the forests and finally found them. Sorry I can't be more help.

[godhead7]

Finally finished Lespasian Wars, I never did get the oreder of the gods, but managed to get all the other quests done. This was a tough one and I can't wait for the Legand 2.
I had trouble with the mushrooms also, I think I just wondered systematically in the forests and finally found them. Sorry I can't be more help.

That I can do, but what do they look like? I will head back and try again.

[piriec]

pretty much like mushrooms, but there are several patches of them. good hunting

[eric264]

I love the story in Lespasian Wars but I've had a lot of trouble generally figuring out what the game wants me to look for next. The latest problem is with that Ardune dame that a lot of other people seem to be having trouble with - the little tart. My issue is a little different from what I've read so far. I found the map in the crypt. I went to see Ardune who sent me to the grave robbers' hide out. I killed all the robber's beloved animals in the zoo, except for whatever was behind the blue door, which I couldn't open. (Yes, I did go around looking for random wall switches - which is the most annoying part of this particular expansion.) When I went back to Argune she gave me a big speech about her terrible childhood and then nothing. Was I supposed to give her something else? Is there something important behind that blue door? Is the answer so embarassingly obvious that you all are laughing at my stupidity right now.

One other issue - I've found some mushrooms in the forest but whenever I try to pick them up the game crashes. (I'm playing Legacy on my Nokia 6600.)

Lastly, what the heck is going on with those 6 statues in the church. For all but one of them you're not given the option to examine them. So how exactly am I to touch them in order? (I've tried attacking them already - which seems a little sacreligous but what the hey.)

Thanks.

[Ghostly Aura]

The guys you touch in some to-be-discovered order are NOT in the church, they're in the Melkor temple. There are but 4 of them.

As to your other questions... I'll leave those for someone else.

Oh Gyffffessssss?

[eric264]

Thanks Ghostly. I already had all the stuff from the Melkor Temple so that takes care of my second question. Now if only I could give that Ardune chick some poison forest mushrooms then maybe all my Lespasian problems would be solved.

I have noticed one other thing. It seems like there might be another section of the crypt I haven't explored yet. I found the big room where Ardune's map was hidden but it seems like there should be more map to the right of that section. Is there some way to fall through the holes in floor in that room in the crypt? I couldn't find anything to open them, but they seem sort of pointless just sitting there. A red herring maybe.

[gyffes]

The mushrooms are for someone else.

The holes are merely for looks (someone's been diggin' in the crypts, doncha know?).

[eric264]

I figured the mushrooms are probably for the guard in Troondor, but not much I can do about that when the game crashes every time I try pick them up.

Any thoughts about the blue door in the zoo?

[gyffes]

It don' open. Ignore it.

[eric264]

So the problem is with Ardune. I thought as much. She seems the femme fatale type. Was she supposed to give me something when I came back from the zoo? She told me the long story about how they destroyed her town, killed her family, yada yada yada. I just need the dang sword. Ladvok is just sitting there waiting for me to come kill her - probably bored to tears, the poor thing.

[gyffes]

I told pliny I wanted to be able to do something more with her... a good beating is in order, I think.

[mARTINek]

Hi, I'm stuck in a situation which has been already described here, but neither your clues nor banging onto my head is not leading to satisfaction.
Well, I'm walking in Lespas and tryin' to speak with anybody to get in the Government Quarter. No success. I found the apple, showed it to the "bad father" - he escaped (where?) - and I'm stuck. No quests, no way to go. I've got the government documents, i've got the wine ticket but answer of the guard in front of the gov.quart. is always the same - that i've no business there. What did I missed? Who(where) I need to talk to? Walking around again and again and again is really annoying... help will be appreciated :-) thx

[gyffes]

You gotta get some wine in exchange for your ticket. Look for a door at the end of a short corridor.

[mARTINek]

All doors has been re-opened. Important thing has been found. Thx a lot, gyffes, although I've got a very obtrusive idea I have opened this door in past. Hundred times :-)

[Débora Lemos]

Hello, my doubt is the following: Because nobody still discovered as opening the blue door in the Zoo?

It is here my critic in relation to those insoluble jigsaw puzzles that the times the game has that it finishes us making to go through the Internet in search of solutions. It saddens me that situation type. The Game is good, but I think should have more jogabilidade, because it is a bother to have to be clicking in walls per hours behind a secret passage without sense none. I think Redshift should review that situation type.

Forgive English, but I am Brazilian and I am using a translator, then it should be full of mistakes that I am saying.. :(

[Katarsiis]

Hail ;)
Finished Lespasian War.
Some questions after all.
1st. I have closed gates in Lespas. Upper one on map.
2nd. I have Brother Belcinot in my inventory. Did i miss something?
3d. Blue door in Zoo - but as it was in this tread - no way to open it - right?
Thank you.

[gyffes]

Blue door don' open.

Katarsiis, Lespas is a lovely map, esp for a first timer, but sometimes Pliny slipped, as when he failed to remove certain items from your inventory.

Not sure which gates you have in Lespas still closed -- ultimately, you should be able to get out everywhere.

[kitsune]

I also still have the Brother in my inventory.

However, I do not remember what I was supposed to do with him an dtherefore I'm not sure I did it or not!

Or wouldn't I have been able to finish the quest without doing that something with him?

[gyffes]

Well.... if you've defeated Ladvok, you don' need the good Brother, no more. So feel free to dump him whereever you dump left-over stuff (Hell Dragon Blades, etc.)

[mag1234]

Go back to the guards quarters and try again, (click, click, click).
I'm stuck in this jail. And cannot find anything hidden i The Guards Quarters. I have bashed/clicked everywhere in there..
Plz help..!
/Mag

[Marrch Ca'at]

I can't find the other half-key in Minar Underground (under the Eastern Ruins). I've got that one in the SW corner behind "removed" block, but can't find the other. I've read that response: http://www.1src.com/forums/showpost.php?p=840281&postcount=63 - and I'm in the same situation, but can't find the hidden button at all. Help me, please!!

[Marrch Ca'at]

I'm stuck in this jail. And cannot find anything hidden i The Guards Quarters. I have bashed/clicked everywhere in there..
Plz help..!
/Mag

No, Mag, not everywhere. By the way, have you tried clicking walls in that small guard rooms?

[mag1234]

No, Mag, not everywhere. By the way, have you tried clicking walls in that small guard rooms?

Oh man!. I was sure i clicked everywhere in there. And i did it 2 times over atleast.. But wrks now. Thanks for help.

/M

[gyffes]

Lespas is a bit of a pill for hidden clicks, ain' it?

Ca'at, have you found the teleporter, yet?

[Marrch Ca'at]

YES, I DID IT! Bu the way I've found two more secret places :)

For now, I'm trying to find, where should I use "blue crypt key to" - I've found the first prisoner that died after giving me that key. After that I've found Garden of Eden, freed the others, got apple, fullfilled the quest from one of brother and made the other run away, but could'n find a use for this key. And have no Idea how can I get alcohol to make the guard drunk to get out of Lespas. Probably, this two thing are somehow related, but for now I'm sure I've touched EACH corner wall and EACH statue, standed on EACH plate (even harmful ones). I have no idea, what can I do for now in that f..... that crypt, and I'm not glad imagining trying all this once again.

[Marrch Ca'at]

Well, I've found a man that offers me a wine ticket, and it appears in my inventory. After that I go to that woman, "flash the ticket" and "receive Shiraz", and it DOES NOT appear in my inventory! I speak with guards - with usual result - return to that man, he gives me the wine ticket, I receive Shiraz, it doesn't appear, I speak with guards, go to that man...
I've done this FIVE times! Should I keep on trying?? Or I'm just dumb or is that a bug still?
And I still don't realize, where should I use Blue Crypt Key to.

[Marrch Ca'at]

That's all. I'm stuck. I've tried once more to test all eals etc in the Crypt - found nothing new. I've tried all doors in the city, but found nothing interesting. Seems like the problem is a bug preventing me from receiving Shiraz and so I can't give it to guard. But I see everyone here did that, I can't figure out the problem :( Am I doing everything right?
Gyffes, if so - maybe you could attach my savegame and try to get the wine? I'm in despair...

[gyffes]

Ca'at, you seem to have what you need to get the Shiraz for the guard. Did you happen to find any shiraz in the barrels in the church? Perhaps the guard'll accept that, instead? I'm not sure why the ticket-system isn't working for you.

As for the catacombs under the church: You got the apple, did you get a MAP?

Did you finally finish the Minar Underground quest? You must've if you got into the church, yeh?

[Marrch Ca'at]

Yes, as I mentioned I've already finished with Eastern Ruins, I've returned the axe, I've finished with that two dumb boys, I've discovered, what that pervert Father (Sexy Sadie, heh) does in his Garden of Eden, I've got the Apple and the Map to someone's house as well. I could not find any shiraz or other alcohol in church - only usual junk and potions. And I still have Blue Crypt Key.

[Marrch Ca'at]

Just wanted to ask - how old is your boy? Asking 'cause my boy will be 4 a dozen days later, and when he was about 3 - he looked very much like yours, I was very surprised at first :)

[gyffes]

Hmmm... I KNOW I found alcohol in that room where there's no guy first time, later ther eis... Not sure it'll help you get past the guard, but might be worth a shot, since the ticket routine isn't working.

[Marrch Ca'at]

Hmm, the only room where a guy appears instead of vanishing is the Winery, and that guy himself gives me that ****ing Wine Tickets. There also 3 paintings and a vase with junk, and nothing more. I've checked all walls and other things in that room and in all other rooms in the church and found no alcohol...

Gyffes, maybe I can send you my savegame and you'll try to make the ticket scheme work? If it won't, I'll write to Lespasian War's author - have no more ideas, what can I do.

[gyffes]

Ok... I PMd Pliny, Lespas' awesome creator, to come check on you.

In the meantime, one last question: Are you sure you're trying at the correct gate?

[gyffes]

Just wanted to ask - how old is your boy? Asking 'cause my boy will be 4 a dozen days later, and when he was about 3 - he looked very much like yours, I was very surprised at first :)


He's 3 1/2. This photo is pretty old (over a year, I think) but I love his smile in it so much and it's such a pain in the butt to make a jpg of low-enough resource to fit their limits, y'know?

I may try again soon.. I have a good one from this summer....

[Marrch Ca'at]

Regarding gates: I've tried both closed :) Guardian near western gates says I have no business in Government Quarters, another one tells noone leaves city that way. The third gates are now open, leading to Eastern Ruins.

[Katarsiis]

Just give Wine Tickets to Guard...

[Marrch Ca'at]

It just doesn't work. I've got the Wine Ticket in my inventory, then I go and speek with both guards near closed gates, and they send me away. So I go to the Suspicious Women and she gives me Shiraz after a short talk. I receive message "You got: Shiraz", but it doesn't appear in my inventory (and Wine Ticket disappears), and when I try talking to both guards they still send me away as they did always.

[Marrch Ca'at]

I've got through all Legacy expansion packs & add-ons (and the main game, of course!), except for Lespasian War and Chaos (but the last one I don't like at all). And am completely stuck for now :(

[Katarsiis]

Marrch Ca'at.
I redoing Lespasian Wars for some reasons.
After i gave "Wine Ticket" to Guard at left gates in Lespas i got next:
"You give the Shiraz to the guard...who quickly gets very tipsy."
"I--hic-haven't had any--hic--alcohol in such a long--hic--time..."
"Go right on through."
Gates is open now...

[yorrick]

Okay - I am missing something here and need some help (like many others)!! :)

After getting Ardune's map, I visit Ardune, trash the robbers and the zoo.
Go back to Ardune and listen to a sop story. Pliny, you have created a character we all love to hate and to slap some sense into her! :)
She gives me some flowers (from Ardune).

Now where do I go next? Back to the city?
I have tried the gates up north, but he's always asking for a token. Apparently, he doesn't like flowers...!

[gyffes]

Back to Troondoor. Look around NW quarter of city.


Ahhh, no token? You need to more thoroughly explore your surroundings (though I believe it's in the swamp...) to find y'self a token. THEN go to Troondoor.

[Marrch Ca'at]

Katarsiis: What do you mean by "give Wine Ticket to guard"? Do you do something special to give it? When I just talk to the guard, he only tells I have no business in the government quarters. Though I have the ticket...

[volcram]

Hello. I have the same problem with the wine. One guard says "I've got a headache". I can't get into the administrative building. And... I'm totally stuck.
I went back to the eastern ruins looking for Ardune's House and can't find anything. I've searched NorthWest and... nothing.

Thanks a lot for any hint.

[gyffes]

Ardune: Swamp.

Have you got into the administrative section? There's a different guard to talk with, there.

[volcram]

Well... I can't get into the administrative section... May I have missed something?
Ok, Ardune: Swamp. It's a differente place than Easter Ruuins?

[Vampire Slayer]

OK, I know I am being incredibly dense. I've finished Lespasian Wars once already, and I struggled to find the switch in the crypt to get the map to find Ardune. This time round, I've serached the whole damn crypt 4 times, I swear I have clicked, hit etc EVERY bit of wall (although I know I can't have done or I'd have found it), and despite the great instructions in this thread, I still can't find the switch. Can someone PM me with VERY precise instructions please. I'm being a total doh I know, and usually wouldn't look for this degree of help, but this is driving me crazy.

Second time round as well, it's meant to be easier the second time!!

[gyffes]

*GRIN* There are SEVERAL places where I struggled more 3rd time through than first two...

Lemme see if I can find an exact description of the spot an' send it to you.


[several frustrating minutes later]

Great... for some reason, Lespas isn' loading in my PC version of Legacy, so I'll just have to repeat what I used to hint someone else towards the answer:

Look for an upside-down U shaped bit of wall somewhere west/northwest of the entrance. More west than north, obviously.

Good luck!

[Nova12]

I remember the frustration of looking for that switch <sigh>

but gyffes, I think the alcove is shaped more like
__
| |

[gyffes]

Nope, it's a C. Go check. Even from memory, I know that.


[edited later, crow firmly in cheek]


Nova, dear, you're correct. It is indeed an upside-down U.

I'm going through my old posts on the topic and correcting them.

I don' have to do it for PDArcade 'cause it's self-desutrcted...

[Nova12]

I went to check; I couldn't tell from the completed map, so I took my other team and went through Lespas to the Underground. I was tapping away, getting frustrated with myself, when I looked over and saw that the second wall had tumbled, with no message showing <sigh> now I don't know where I tapped that did it! I'll have to reset the map and try it again...... :(

[gyffes]

HAHAHAHA

yeh, checking can be tough that way. Esp when yer playing on the PC and the game is ZOOOMIN' along.

[Nova12]

Well, I went through again after resetting the map....thankfully, I saved the game just before entering the underground, 'cause I came across something that puzzled me greatly - after zooming around doing everything else EXCEPT tapping the supposed alcove with the switch for the second wall, I looked at my map and found the second wall gone!!!!

I went back to the saved game and went step by step, saving at intervals, until I got to the area where this had happened; then, I went through a few scenarios and the same thing occurred - the second wall fell when I picked up the Minarian half-key! :eek:

Now, my memory can be faulty, but I DON'T think that happened on the very first time I went through. Gyffes, do you have any suggestions on why this might be the case??? (Not that I'm complaining, mind....this is a lot easier than hunting for a bloody switch ;) )

[gyffes]

er... we HAD been talking about the church catacombs.. you're talking about the ruins. DIFFERENT bloody switches.

[Nova12]

Gyffes, I read your post and went 'AARRGGH', banged my head a few times, then proceeded to the Saint Vendar's Crypt :o

However, although I messed up on the underground crypt area, I didn't mess up on the alcove that trips the switch to the grave robber lair where you get the map to Ardune's house - it is a C-shape, but it's the upside-down C like this:
__
| |

and it is near a floor pressure switch.

[gyffes]

Damnit, are you sure? I hate when the only sure memory I've got is inaccurate.

Maybe I'd better search for my old post on this.

[Nova12]

Yep, I'm sure - I posted right after I'd flipped the switch.

In your older posts on this list you'd said pretty much the same thing...that's why I'd remembered the alcove, 'cause I'd spent so much time (and cursing) finding the bloody thing the first time around :rolleyes:

[gyffes]

well dangitall and doublebugger -- I posted that first time while in the alcove, as well!

*sigh*

Time to turn in my stars...

[Nova12]

Nahhh - why should a little brain fart cost you your well-earned stars? :D Heck, I have those things ALL the time :o

[clubsmed]

I have just come back to the game after a 2 week gap and I can not find the grave robbers hideout, I can not remember if it is because I have already been there or not. What section of the crypt map are they located in?

Don't worry, Just found it and I had not beed there before. The issue I am having with this game is you can still advance without getting everything you need and then you have to almost go back to the beggiing to retrace your steps.

[Vampire Slayer]

Doh!! I am SUCH a dummy sometimes. Finally found the RIGHT c-shaped alcove. Of course, I hadn't checked in THAT one had I?? Checked all the others about 50 times, but not THAT one, oh no!

Still, finally found the switch. Battered head against nearest wall for a few minutes, and then continued with the game.

I will NEVER forget where that switch is located again.

Thanks for all the hints and tips folks.

[gyffes]

Grave robbers hideout is NOT in a crypt, it's in the NW corner of some forested area.


HEY, SLAYER... was it a |-| pointing alcove or a C pointing alcove??


[Note to future readers: The correct alcove is an Upside-Down U]

[Nova12]

Doh!! I am SUCH a dummy sometimes. Finally found the RIGHT c-shaped alcove. Of course, I hadn't checked in THAT one had I?? Checked all the others about 50 times, but not THAT one, oh no!

Still, finally found the switch. Battered head against nearest wall for a few minutes, and then continued with the game.

I will NEVER forget where that switch is located again.

Thanks for all the hints and tips folks.

ROTFLMAO you're welcome, but oh! the memories. I did precisely the same as you, Slayer, which is why I will never forget the location of that switch again.

[clubsmed]

I meant the Grave robbers place in the crypt not the Hideout, sorry. And the alcove is l¯l not C.
Have now finished it, was a fairly good game but I think my guys were a too higher level for me to get full enjoyment out of it. My fault I know as it does state the level for the game :o)

[Vampire Slayer]

Gyffes, it's just not becoming of you to seek praise like that. It was the kind of c-shaped alcove you said of course!

[gyffes]

Gotta seek praise. Heck, if I don' get enough, I'll praise m'self ("DAMN, that was a nice shot!").


As for proper facing of the alcove: Doubleda*n!

*sigh*


As for levels.. yeah, I urge people (heck, I BEG people) not to play too easy, at least the first few times through... can't tell you how many people took parties over level 15 into King's Aide and had the balls to complain it was too easy/boring!

[Nova12]

As for proper facing of the alcove: Doubleda*n!

*sigh*


As for levels.. yeah, I urge people (heck, I BEG people) not to play too easy, at least the first few times through... can't tell you how many people took parties over level 15 into King's Aide and had the balls to complain it was too easy/boring!

LOL Gyffes, give yourself a break - Lespas wasn't loading, and you were busy with L2 when that question came up. You got the shape right - as the "working ladies" might say, don't fuss about the position ;)

Thankfully, I didn't have to worry about TOO easy with my teams when starting them up. I played around with a few "starters" just to get used to it, then went blithely through most of the commercial expansions. With freebies such as Elvira and Shoptown [whoops - duck! :) ], having a new map to explore was enough to compensate for any easiness....though I found Elvira a bit boring anyway, 'cause it's just not my style. I found the Shoptown maze more interesting, and Lespasian Wars much more so, than Elvira.

I briefly explored L2 with one of my "starter" teams, but will be going back through it once I build up my current group.

[cseqingu]

Hello, I am stuck at the San Vendar's crypt.

1) I get a blue crypt key from a girl in the hidden room (northwest of the crypt). but I cannot find where to use it.
2) I find a hidden switch in the south wall of the crypt, it said " a wall moves", but I cannot find which wall moves, it seems nothing happens. I cannot find Map!
3) In the Great Organ, there are 7 switchs and one click, what does the instruction mean? it always say "what a terrible noise, it canot be right."

Thanks for any PMs of hints.

[gyffes]

Wait -- you made it into the crypt? Then you must have done something right in the OrganRoom, yeh? Once you've made it into the crypt, ignore the organ room.

I cannot help you find the hidden switch to the map -- careful searching will do it. Using your small map will show you where walls have moved. Just keep clearing away gray spots and you'll find the openings you need.

[cseqingu]

Thanks a lot, I got the map. now I am looking for Grave Robber's hideout.

[cseqingu]

Gyffes,

Grave robbers hideout is in the NE corner of some forested area, not NW.

[gyffes]

Oh, yes. Of course. Thank you. Hope I didn' have you searching the wrong area for TOO long...

[Habanero_Dude]

OK, I'm missing something here. :( I can't find the Vault in Troondoor. I checked every door and clicked all around buildings with no doors. Any hints welcome.

Thanks,
PepperHead

[cseqingu]

OK, I'm missing something here. :( I can't find the Vault in Troondoor. I checked every door and clicked all around buildings with no doors. Any hints welcome.

Thanks,
PepperHead

Have you come into a big house in SE? have U a request from a man in the puse to get a book? Have U get sth from the Undertaker's wife? After U complete these, U can find the Vault in 2nd floor of the big house.

[gyffes]

cseqingu, c'est quoi, cette "puse"?

Dude, As cseq says in his lovely twisted way, you can't find the Vault 'til you can enter the upper floors of the tower in Troondoor.

[Habanero_Dude]

Gyffes,

I finished Lespasian Wars and still had a blue crypt key left over. I started the module over adn got another blue crypt key, byt I can't find anywhere to use it. I found several post here from others that could not find what to do with it, but none had any answers.

Is it in the Crypt? if your clue is too much of a spoiler, you have my person email address. let me know.

Thanks,
Mark

[gyffes]

Some items aren't always removed from inventory due to ... incautious.. coding. I believe Pliny'd originally intended the Blue Crypt Key to work in a different way and removed/forgot about it (think: Old Gold Chain in Legend -- non-saleable, no use for it) when finishing up the game.

Don't worry about it. If you've killed Ladvok, you're done with Lespas.

What's next?

[Habanero_Dude]

Gyffes,

Thanks, that Blue Crypt key was driving me nuts.

BTW, I have a couple of quests left from my early first days of Legacy. Is there any way to remove those from the quest list?

As far as what's Next, I need about another 100K to get everyone leveled up to 33 & 34, then its back to Legacy II, but I think I'll start over with Ch1 rather than where I left off at the beginning of Ch 2.

[gyffes]

What quests? Most you should be able to go resolve. Only The Ring, I believe, is egregious about leaving quests on the chart after you've finished them.

Right, starting over is good way to get level'd up.

And 33/34.. just about ready to try the Death Dragons, eh?

[AprilW]

I've checked EVERY single wall section and every square pixel in St. Vendar's crypt and the Garden of Eden for the map to the woman in the swamp. I'm not having any luck. Can some kind soul please tell me where exactly it's at? I'm getting frustrated :(

[Nova12]

IIRC, the map is located somewhere in the Eastern Ruins (the area outside Lespas).

[gyffes]

Nonono, Nova, you're incorrect.

The map is recovered after defeating some brigands in the basement/catacombs of St. Vendar's.

April, this is a toughie: I've been through Lespas several times and STILL struggle (I'm struggling right now, actually, which is VERY embarrasing as I've posted clues/hints about this several times) trying to find the secret switch that reveals the room wherein is the Robber with the map.

It's in the area found by going straight from the entrance to the crypt (NOT to the left). The switch to open the area is in an alcove that faces down, like an upside-down U.

Get to it by going LEFT and BACK (towards the entrance). That is, you'll go UP and LEFT, if that makes any more sense.

It's a ***** to find but others have managed it.

Good luck.

[edited to remove inaccurate info]

[Nova12]

Ah, yes, that one....it's been a while since I played in Lespas, but I DO remember the upside-down U (or rotated C) alcove!!! I just got my underground play areas mixed up :o

[Airdenne]

Hello,

This is my first time posting. I am playing Lespasian and have solved most of the quests. However, like many, I have come to a stopping place and haven't seen anything posted about it yet. I suspect it may be simple but I just seem to be missing it.

In the robber's hideout, I have come to where I think the zoo must be (I haven't seen it yet--just read about it) but there are two walls of force blocking my way. I can't figure out how to turn them off. I've tried looking for wall switches, etc. but am having no luck. I've already seen Ladvok and just need to finish this quest to get the thing from Ardune that I need. Thanks for any help in advance.

--
Airdenne

[Dj1096]

Does anyone know of any issues with system resets. I have tried numerous times to leave Lespa and every time it resets. I am running the game on a Palm Zire 71.

[gyffes]

Airdenne, you have two problems, actually.

1) Turning off force fields.

2) Ladvok. Frequently, when people find him first and then try to return to him, he's wandered off, never to be seen again. This makes it hard to finish the game. Have you a SAVE from pre-Ladvok on hand?


As for #1, remember that Pliny's map designs favor placing switches far from the item that gets affected. Look at your map: there is a place where you go down a loooong corridor that just stops. Odd, no? Mayhap you should go look around the end of that corridor a bit more?

AFTER reloading the pre-Ladvok savegame, of course...

DJ, what do you mean 'leave Lespas' ? Just teleport to somewhere else.

[Airdenne]

Dear Gyffes,

Thanks for the help. I did make it through the rest of the quests and finish the game. I had saved a Ladvok game right at the point of discovery but the Redshift gods must have been on my side because Ladvok was still there when I went back with the sword. Now onto......Legend? Revenge? Not sure yet.

:)

--
Airdenne

[gyffes]

Good to hear Ladvok was kind enough to wait around for you.

As for what comes next... welll.... Legend is, ideally, played BEFORE Lespas. Revenge is best when played in the 15-18 range, so you're probably too powerful for THAT.

What level IS your party? You could TRY Legend 2.. although it's best suited for level22+ (and that's a bit low, probably), you will level-up quickly in it.

Hmph. I'd hate to send you to REVENGE now, where it just wouldn' offer the enjoyable gameplay it might, otherwise.

[cjucoder]

Okay folks, sheesh I can't believe I have to do my first post over something like this. I know I will have head-knocking to do.

I've finished the Lespasian map but have the quest left about finding something to
"keep the Guard's knees from shaking". From reading all the posts in this thread I know I should be looking for mushrooms in a forest.

I can't find these mushrooms for the life of me. I've been systematically wandering all three forests. One step over-all the way across-ones step over-all the way across etc etc. I bet I walked over 'em time and time again.

Would someone please help me? At minimum please tell me which forest, but I'm so bored now so I just kinda' want to find 'em. The only maps left for me are Revenge and Legend2 so boy am I sick of wandering for 'shrooms and am anxious to start with Revenge.

Thanks!!!

[Dj1096]

I keep seeing references to an apple and the garden of eden. I am unable to find eaither. I have completed a number of quests, however this one seems to elude me. Any suggestions.

[gyffes]

CJ, I'm sorry but I just cannot remember where those are found. For the record, it's the quest I've taken to ignoring when I run through Lespas unless I stumble 'pon the 'shrooms as I wander through.

DJ -- have you explored the area under the church?

[Dj1096]

Yes. I've done the organ notes, found the Map & explored what I beleive is the whole thing. I've ran into the guard person twic, received my warning and that has been it so far. In addition I have made it to Lodvak (sp) but don't have the weapon to kill him. Any suggestions.

Finally, what does the pressure plate in the swamp do?

[gyffes]

Joe -- I'm sorry I didn' see your question 'til now.

Did you explore Troondoor thoroughly? There's an old woman who tells you what you need to do to get the weapon to kill Ladvok. You'll have much tromping about to accomplish all she needs for this.

[Legacyaddict1]

Wow!

I have finished!! This was a cool map! I thought I was becoming a pro at legacy, this definitely had me challenged!!!

Thanks to all for your questions and answers on this forum! it helped!

[Electriclegends]

Hello all,

For anyone stuck on Lespasian War, there is an unofficial guide to the expansion is now live at Electriclegends.com (http://www.electriclegends.com).

Happy gaming!

Martin

[gyffes]

I must say, I was pretty leery, at first, at the thought of what might be exposed in such a guide, but I'm fairly impressed at both the completeness and the.. well.. vagueness.. of the help provided.

Bravo, Legends.

[smileabhijit]

Wild Celt can you give me the direction of the edge ... is it eastern or western...

[gyffes]

"the edge"???

[Wolfswerwolf]

Hi, me again :D

I've try to use the search-funktion, but i never found a solution, sry.
Can anybody tell me (pm) where is the token to Troondoor?
if i read here right, the token is in the swamp? but where there?
please help me.
And yes, i know, my english is bad :p

[gyffes]

I'll PM you.

[Legacyaddict1]

help! I lost all data on my computer - I have lost this map! can't download it again even though I have the payment details...what do i do???????????

[gyffes]

I've had no trouble getting my files again from Handango. They're actually quite good about it.

[Legacyaddict1]

I went to handago, looged into my account and they said too much time has passed since my purchase and I can buy some kind of insurance that will allow my to re-download. :mad:

[Legacyaddict1]

wait never mind that's clickgamer

[gyffes]

Oh, I was gonna say, that's not something I'd heard of from Handango...

[doeni]

happened to me with Acedior.... too late, they suggested me to buy an insurance for lifetime download.

After that, i decided not to buy apps at handango anylonger. :(

[Legacyaddict1]

sooooooo......I'm screwed? :(

[gyffes]

Most likely, dear Ash. I'd suggest emailing the author but I've not heard from him since PDArcade went down.

[Legacyaddict1]

Yeah, I did email him, no reply. darn!

[dublvision]

I am at a loss here. I am also having the problem where I get the wine ticket from the guy in the winery and then go give it to the mysterious woman in exchange for the wine. When I take it to the guard at the west gate he just continuously tells me that I have no business in the government quarters. I know there was someone else with this problem, but I didn't see a way to resolve it. Do I have a bug or am I missing something? PLEASE HELP!!! :)

[gyffes]

I didn't have trouble with this the first few times through, then suddenly I did. It took me FOREVER to discover what I'd missed.

Vaguest possible hint: You've not yet knocked on every door in this town.

If, after further exploration, you're still stuck, PM me.

[taziker]

I'm stuck in Lespas

I've got ardunes map been to eden. shown the apple.

got the wine ticket a hundred times, offered it to get the wine.

but when I try to offer the wine, the guard repeats the same old thing, you not welcome here. I've searched this whole thread, everyone seems to have done what i've done, and got thru the gate, but not me.

also I noticed a bug, if you have either type of wine, and strength potions in the inventory, they all layerup as strength potions.
using xda orbit device.

[gyffes]

a) not a bug so much as a reflection of how the author of the map tweaked the potion image to be 'wine';

b) the wine you find that you can carry with you and drink yourself is NOT the wine you need for the guard; you need to open doors until you find a place that'll swap yer ticket for wine; and

c) even with the wine, you'll need a little something else to get past the guard, something you may actually already have. Someone behind a DIFFERENT door in town gave you something that you, hopefully, still have on you.

If you would like more straightforward answer(s), please PM me.

[taziker]

ok, its obviously bugged. theres no way I fancy starting a complete new team. I read here that someone had same problem, was lucky to have a backup and managed to pass.

can I use the map editor to open the gate?

[gyffes]

WRONG conclusion, taziker.

[taziker]

figured it out grrr. I binned one of the items it also needs. used editor to find out which. god only knows which expansion I left it in, and its probably reset by now. hmmm wonder how to fix it

[gyffes]

It's usually safe to assume that things you get that can't be sold have SOME purpose. I can think of only one, maybe two items which can't be sold and which ended up having no purpose but which stayed in-game due to programming error.

I'm afraid I can't help you, but it's not THAT far to replay the Map, is it?

[gyffes]

Remember, don't have to restart a new TEAM, just remove the map, start Legacy again. Save. Exit. Replace the map. This 'resets' lespas.

[taziker]

doh. makes me wonder how many other items I left dumped around various addons on pressure pads and stuff <falls to floor> thanks.

[rebdaniel]

In Legacy, where there is no weight penalty for carrying tons of stuff, I have one character, usually a back row mage, collect rocks. They appear at or near the end of the inventory, so they don't interfere with drinking potions or changing amulets. When I have to use rocks to open something with floor switches, I usually collect them afterward, if I can. That way I almost always have enough rocks so that I don't have to dump anything else on the switches. Whatever I can't sell, I keep till the very end of the map, so I can be completely sure it will serve no purpose. You can read through the legacy threads about lots of heartache people have brought upon themselves by dumping stuff they needed -- it is so EASY to avoid this problem, so you can focus on more productive legacy challenges.

[gyffes]

I have the front-right character collect rocks.

The back mages usually have so many quiver and potions that drilling down to the rocks takes FOREVER.

The front left player usually collects the detritus: potions and bits of clothing I end up selling for spare change.

The front right player tends to have the least amount of extraneous gear and therefor is the PERFECT one to hold all the rocks.

Even accounting for places I drop and tend to leave them (Elvira, for example), I ALWAYS have about double what you need for even the V-of-fireball-traps-of-death portion of the Ice Empire outside Grendelmoor.

AND, if you MUST dump stuff, I always choose a single barrel -- the same barrel -- in a particular town. Usually, Decartes. But, as you noted, EVENTUALLY, they go away...

[taziker]

thanks for the quick replies guys. got a good mind to remove all my addons and reload them again n start em from the beginning.

thanks again

[J_F]

... and a few years later ...

I am trying to find Lespasian Wars. The commercial sites don't have it anymore although ClickGamer post it as free download (http://www.clickgamer.com/moreinfo.htm?pid=3109&section=palm)

Any idea where I can get the map? (and yes, I will pay for it)

[gyffes]

Go to Catacomber.com and have a look around. She hosts an impressive list of free expansions.

[pugsley1974]

Can any one in here help me with legacy im in the sohl's cave I have found every orb save one and its in the home of patience