anyone write essays or do homework on their clie?

[Unregistered]

if you do, can you please tell me how thats going for you? do u like it better than a pen and paper? because if i get a sj22, its mainly going to be for school work, do you think this is wise?

thanx

[hherbzilla]

Originally posted by Unregistered
if you do, can you please tell me how thats going for you? do u like it better than a pen and paper? because if i get a sj22, its mainly going to be for school work, do you think this is wise?

thanx No, I don't think that's wise. Taking notes in class is one thing, but doing homework and writing essays is another. I'd save that for typing on a full-sized keyboard on your home computer.

[aaronrkelly]

I do write quite a bit on my T615 with the stowaway keyboard - works well for me. Of course I always spell check and format the text on my PC - just basically using the palm for entering the text. I also only do this when I am without a computer, if I have one handy I use it instead.

[Alistar]

I only use it for editing, long trips or boring classes its great to open my reports or essays and edit them or add somethings as I think of them.

[Jeffry]

I have a NR70v and I love the built-in keyboard. I tend to use it to type reports and science labs and stuff + music!!! .... better than bringing my hefty 7lbs. notebook to school :)

Also, my physics textbook solutions are PDF files, so I just found out I was able to convert them using RepliGo and view them in my handheld. This is DEFINATELY better than looking at them from the school website.

If you want to use an SJ22, you better spend some money on accessories like the mini-keyboard or the stowaway like the others mentioned.

[hansschmucker]

I use it to write down about everything at school, but at home (i.e. for homework) I just use my normal 101 keyboard

[Talula]

I have done quite a bit of my homeowrk on my Clie. I often take it to the library with me and write my research papers and such on it. In short, anything that needs to be typed is done first on my Clie and then edited on my PC.

My cousin uses an m130 for the same purpose. She actually threw out her extremely out dated computer in favor of her Palm. There is still one main PC in her house and she syncs to that but only when absolutely necessary.

I'd say it is abosolutely possible, and not neccessarily impracticle to do all of your homework on your Clie.

Talula

[Windboi]

first... i think you will have to be good at graffiti... if you are realli good at that.... then chances are you will more likely to use it for editing and essay writing..... i tried to use my sj33 to take notes during my lecture classes...its difficult... a voice recorder would be a better alternative but i do enjoy my sj33 because my bus ride home from school is 1 1/2 hours so i can do much brain storming with a pda.

[Talula]

I don't usually use graffiti to write papers and take notes in my classes, I use my expandable keyboard. Makes it very manageable.

However, I am a teacher I take extensive notes all throughout the day on my students and I use Jot with word complete extensively for that!

Jot and word complete work so well for me that I have used my Clie to take notes in class without my keyboard a few times. It is tiring and I do prefer the keyboard, but it can be done.

[YOUR_SUPERIOR]

correct me if im wrong, but isnt graffiti much like writing down anything else on paper, except for the different styling of the letters? why would it be harder to write in graffiti than on a regular paper???

[Jake K]

I've tried writing out a whole scene from Romeo and Juliet for english on my Clie, and it only took 4 times the amount of time then it would have to type it out.

PDA's are not meant to write reports on, just add to already written reports, for example.

[Mastervtec]

No, graffiti is much different than paper. With paper you write in your own handwriting and it is easy to read for you, with blasted graffiti you have to learn to write like it, rather difficult until you get used to it. See, we have been writing in our own handwriting since kindergarten and what not, if we spent that much time with graffiti, then sure it would be just like paper, so it is possible.

[buckethead]

Originally posted by YOUR_SUPERIOR
correct me if im wrong, but isnt graffiti much like writing down anything else on paper, except for the different styling of the letters? why would it be harder to write in graffiti than on a regular paper???

one letter at a time compared to normal scribble?;) give me keyboard anytime~

[bberish]

i just purchased the wireless keyboard from www.pocketop.net. it wasn't cheap, but it will be well worth it, since this is my third PDA in 2 years, I can see that at this rate, I will be going through a lot of PDAs in my life, and this keyboard suits my purpose because it works with practically every PDA currently available on the market (execpt for the TT at the moment).

anyway, getting to the point. i bought it because i do plan on using it to type of reports at school, and i am starting a new school next year, and if there will be other students in my classes using pdas in class, i will surely join in (i dont want to be the only "weirdo" using a pda in class if no one else is.)

[Mastervtec]

Bberish, let me know how the wireless keyboard works out, I was concerned that the IR port is at the top of the clie and it wouldn't recognize an ir signal from the bottom, if thats even how it works, enlighten me:)

[buckethead]

hmm..i thought screen rotation is not available for most clie devices ??

[Talula]

anyway, getting to the point. i bought it because i do plan on using it to type of reports at school, and i am starting a new school next year, and if there will be other students in my classes using pdas in class, i will surely join in (i dont want to be the only "weirdo" using a pda in class if no one else is.)

Oh don't worry about it. You'll get over it and so will your classmates. Actually, you might inspire a few to go out and get their own Clie's. Nothing beats walking into class with your hands free while everyone else is lugging around bags, notebooks, and folders. Bet that "weirdo," it will probably pay off for you in the end.

Talula

[tsuribito]

Some people might get insulted when you use a pda in class. Don't ask me why :confused:
I used my Palm Portable Keyboard a lot at school ( There was a time when i had not a single sheet of paper with me) but since they have not released a full sized Clie Keyboard here, I depend on my Handwriting for now :(

[UZI4U182]

I have an SJ30 that I use to take notes in class with a Belkin G700 keyboard, and it works great for me. I also type up most of my reports on it as well.

[illusion4096]

A lot of students here, so it seems [me too] ;-) I'm planning to use my SJ33 (arrives this week) as agenda and address book. I think these are still the *main* functions of the PDA. Although, I think Word an Excel will come in handy too!!

[bberish]

Originally posted by Mastervtec
Bberish, let me know how the wireless keyboard works out, I was concerned that the IR port is at the top of the clie and it wouldn't recognize an ir signal from the bottom, if thats even how it works, enlighten me:)

it works just fine. read the pdf file instruction manual from their website and you will see that setup for a clie is fast and easy, all though they describe it way too much and put too many steps into it and it makes it sound difficult. i haven't had any problems with it yet.

[kikiw]

I use my SJ30 and the Belkin G700 keyboard to take notes in class. I haven't handwritten anything since I bought the keyboard =) And while I'm the only one with a palm/keyboard combo taking notes, some of my classmates take their laptops to class, so I don't feel like a 'weirdo' :)

[bberish]

as an update to my previous posts: just today i used my SJ20 and Pocketop Wireless Keyboard to successfully write a 400 word editorial in a matter of 10 minutes -- only slightly slower than it would have taken me on my PC!

[fjl307]

Yes I do...for example when we have a major writing assignment. I'll type my rough draft on my PC and sync it to my CLIE (Using WordSmith- A MUST FOR STUDENTS!) and when it's time to revise I have my rough draft right there to edit and next time I sync, I will have a final, edited copy to turn in :) Works really well!

[fjl307]

Originally posted by illusion4096
A lot of students here, so it seems [me too] ;-) I'm planning to use my SJ33 (arrives this week) as agenda and address book. I think these are still the *main* functions of the PDA. Although, I think Word an Excel will come in handy too!!

 

Excel- Forgot about that :)

I use TinySheet, again it works really well for Science and Math labs :)

[orol]

palm & full-size foldable keyboard combo is just great! i can only recommand it !

i used to write many emails in times i had TRGpro with palm portable keyboard ( i got it for $20 on ebay :D)
and even write/edit excel sheets (with quickoffice and quicksheet)
actually that is what i really miss with clie (the KB11 keyboard is damn expensive) ..
not to mention, with laptophack it's even better!

i hope i'll find on ebay some KB11 keyboard for around $30-$40 bucks very soon! :D

[rob_squared]

I use it for notes with a stowaway and wordsmith. I would have done a paper on it (and printed it out with an IR printer) but I had to get a word file online first so I thought, why not use this computer while I'm here.

PS: If you do it, immediately back it up to a MS just in case your clie dies.

[winstonw]

First I'd like to say I've gone through my share of experiences with PDAs (started back with a Visor and have used other rechargeable PDAs and now an NR70V). I'm a senior undergrad so I don't know how some of you use your PDA in high school. In a nutshell here are my 2 cents from my experience with using PDAs during lectures and writing reports:

(1) Graffiti is NOT suitable for taking notes. Why?

(a) slow input, even though I am very good at graffiti writing, this can't beat scribbling on paper.
(b) not enough flexibility. Want to add special characters? Super/subscripts? Symbols/Bold/Italics/Different fonts? Wordsmith has the latter functions, but believe me, you won't have time to make those changes. Note that the above should apply to ALL students except those in Arts who only have to write simple, plain English words.
(c) where are you going to draw diagrams/flowcharts? My friend with his Pocket PC attempts to write them out in words. This will NOT work. Prepare to bring pen and paper to draw those diagrams/tables...

(2) If your lectures relies mostly on jotting down words, a full-sized, foldable keyboard (like my Visor with the Stowaway) will help speed up input speed significantly. Still, you'd have trouble drawing arrows around your notepad linking sections of your notes, adding last minute comments, or entering equations, or doing formatting (like making big arse circles or exclamation marks)

** so after using my PDA for my lectures for a while (I'm a microbiology specialist), I'm back to old pen and paper which I found to enjoy even more **

(3) Thumbpads are silly... if you are good at graffiti, their input speed is comparable. Get a full-size keyboard instead.

(4) For writing reports...

(a) Good for jotting short ideas down, like on the subway.

(b) Bad for writing reports/essays (considering reports/essays to be >5 pages of typed text only). Why? First, the small screen will lead to eye strain easily, especially if you're serious on writing reports so you'd be working on the small screen for an extended time. Second, the small screen is really crappy for writing with frequent editting. You'd have to scroll up/down alot which is frustrating. Third, even if you have to scroll, it's difficult compared to simply flipping pages of paper, or that scroll wheel on your mouse on a much larger monitor. This is bad not only for checking grammar, but you will not be able to see the big picture and the overall organization of your report.

(c) I only find the PDA useful for reviewing my final draft, which doesn't concern alot of editting at all.

Personally, I don't see PDAs taking a big role in word processing even in the future. However powerful hardwares you can plug into a PDA, it's limited by the small screen. Unless... future PDAs project their images onto an external surface so you can actually see a larger area...? The PDA is still good for taking notes in class, only if you have a keyboard and your courses don't involve much other than writing plain English.

[Jake K]

Originally posted by winstonw
...Personally, I don't see PDAs taking a big role in word processing even in the future. However powerful you can plug into a PDA, it's limited by the small screen. Unless... future PDAs project their images onto an external surface so you can actually see a larger area...?...

It wouldn't really be a PERSONAL Digital Assistant with its screen being projected on a surface for all to see.

But anyways, excellent, well put together post.

[winstonw]

Very true :) Or maybe they can have the built-in projector as an optional piece of hardware and you can activate it whenever you want other than your touch-screen. Powerpoint presentations on a PDA without external hardware! Considering how big the new Clie's are getting nowadays, maybe they can make a new NX/TG with the projector instead of the camera :cool:

[Talula]

Graffiti is NOT suitable for taking notes.

I agree, however it can be done as I do this on occassion. However, I prefer my keyboard.



where are you going to draw diagrams/flowcharts? My friend with his Pocket PC attempts to write them out in words. This will NOT work. Prepare to bring pen and paper to draw those diagrams/tables...

I fit my diagrams and drawings into a few places, depending on my moood. I might draw them in bug me. I use Thought Manager to take my notes and it is quick and simple to attach a drawing at any point. I've made some pretty complicated drawings with that.



If your lectures relies mostly on jotting down words, a full-sized, foldable keyboard (like my Visor with the Stowaway) will help speed up input speed significantly. Still, you'd have trouble drawing arrows around your notepad linking sections of your notes, adding last minute comments, or entering equations, or doing formatting (like making big arse circles or exclamation marks)

I find no need to draw arrows to linking sections of my notes. Since, as I mentioned, I use Thought Manager, I can just scroll up to my those notes I want to link to and add my new notes in right under my old notes. Or, I can attach a note. My notes never made sense to me when I drew arrows all over the place, now they do. I can make the font bigger, bold, I can add italics, underlines, or all of the above together. Entering equations though? I've done it, but it does take some practice and I'll admit, it was a pain.

Bad for writing reports/essays (considering reports/essays to be >5 pages of typed text only). Why? First, the small screen will lead to eye strain easily, especially if you're serious on writing reports so you'd be working on the small screen for an extended time. Second, the small screen is really crappy for writing with frequent editting. You'd have to scroll up/down alot which is frustrating. Third, even if you have to scroll, it's difficult compared to simply flipping pages of paper, or that scroll wheel on your mouse on a much larger monitor. This is bad not only for checking grammar, but you will not be able to see the big picture and the overall organization of your report.

I don't know, I actually prefer writing long papers and reports on my PDA. I can go to anywhere I want, another room, outside, the park... I can be comfortable, and I be relaxed. Tied to a computer at a desk just doesn't work well for me. As far as all of your editting frustrations, I just don't have them. I find it easy to scroll around. The only thing my Clie is lacking is a spell/grammar checker. Then I'd be in heaven.

[fjl307]

Originally posted by Jake K


It wouldn't really be a PERSONAL Digital Assistant with its screen being projected on a surface for all to see.

But anyways, excellent, well put together post.

 

Like an overhead projector?? That would be great! No loud fans or messy ink! 

[psychoactivist]

I use my SJ33 for notetakeing and papers. I use graffiti, but I use a Tungston T stylus. The Sony stylus is way to thin for comfort. I have Quick Office 7, so I have a spell checker and thesaurus, still no gramer checker, but it can't be too far off. I sync my stuff to my computer for the final draft and print out.

[maxfish]

Help. I just bought an SJ20 and a Stowaway Keyboard. But the keyboard does not fit into the SJ20. The SJ 20 input is too narrow to take the keyboard. Was I maybe sent the wrong keyboard?
Also, what kind of word processor will I need? I want to write and edit documents that I can upload and use in Word. Do I need Wordsmith or will Docs to Go handle it?

Max

[bberish]

I've been using Documents to Go 4.003 for almost 2 years now, and I just recently upgraded to the entire pack with DTG 5.004 and it works great, never have problems with synchronization, and now DTG 5 has capablities for different fonts and everything is much easier to manage, it's almost like having a complete mini word and excel in your hand. As well as Powerpoint, PDF capabilities, photo viewing, and support for e-mail attachments.

[stevejohnson460]

masfish, I'm suspicious that you DID get sent the wrong keyboard. Better get on the phone and read customer support your model number.

[TriBin]

Am I the the only person here who has to write a lot of mathematical formulas?
The clie is absolutely useless for "mathematical" text.

[daroga]

In my schooling (training to be a pastor) I use a lot of foreign languages with odd non-Latin letters (mainly Greek and Hebrew). I was looking forward to using my Clie that I'll be getting soon for note taking until I read this and started thinking about the non-standard text issues. I can always type out a phonetically-correct greek or hebrew word in our alphabet, but it's so much easier to just be writing and scribble the Greek or Hebrew in the notes. Oh well, at least I didn't invest in an expensive fold-out keyboard before thinking this through properly.

Anyone else use their clie' for foreign language work? I'm thinking more along the lines of being able to have a Hebrew Old Testament and a Greek New Testament displayed on the PDA rather than entering them into the PDA. It'd be a nice, handy reference.

This is a good thread!

[bberish]

Originally posted by daroga
In my schooling (training to be a pastor) I use a lot of foreign languages with odd non-Latin letters (mainly Greek and Hebrew). I was looking forward to using my Clie that I'll be getting soon for note taking until I read this and started thinking about the non-standard text issues. I can always type out a phonetically-correct greek or hebrew word in our alphabet, but it's so much easier to just be writing and scribble the Greek or Hebrew in the notes. Oh well, at least I didn't invest in an expensive fold-out keyboard before thinking this through properly.

Anyone else use their clie' for foreign language work? I'm thinking more along the lines of being able to have a Hebrew Old Testament and a Greek New Testament displayed on the PDA rather than entering them into the PDA. It'd be a nice, handy reference.

This is a good thread!

ani medaber eevreet, aval ani lo yodea aypho ata yachol limtzoh mashehu kazé al ha'internet.

[daroga]

Originally posted by bberish


ani medaber eevreet, aval ani lo yodea aypho ata yachol limtzoh mashehu kazé al ha'internet.

Further evidence that being able to write the Hebrew is better than a phoentic version. :) I'll have to take some time here and write this down and see if I can figure it out... or maybe I should just study for finals... 'eh... whatever...

Tim

[SacKingsFan]

Studying my weekly Bible verse to memorize for school and writing assignments. My Creative Writing assignments, book reports, Bible extra credit, etc.

[daroga]

Originally posted by bberish


ani medaber eevreet, aval ani lo yodea aypho ata yachol limtzoh mashehu kazé al ha'internet.

"I am writing Hebrew, and I don't know also you are able to find (mashehu kaze'?) on the Internet."

bberish, care to help me out on those two words? It's gonna drive me nuts. ;)

I'm gonna look around on the Internet for something, but I doubt there's a real high demand for a program to do this... someone feeling creative?

Tim

[bberish]

Originally posted by daroga


"I am writing Hebrew, and I don't know also you are able to find (mashehu kaze'?) on the Internet."

bberish, care to help me out on those two words? It's gonna drive me nuts. ;)

I'm gonna look around on the Internet for something, but I doubt there's a real high demand for a program to do this... someone feeling creative?

Tim

i don't understand how you are able to interpret the writings found in my religion's ancient bible (a.k.a torah), without even being able to translate that sentence which only had basic hebrew vocabulary and grammar in it?!!

what i said was: ani medaber eevreet, aval ani lo yodea aypho ata yachol limtzoh mashehu kazé al ha'internet:: "I speak hebrew, but I don't know where you are able to find something like this on the internet."

i think you need to brush up on your hebrew a bit, eh?

[daroga]

heh, yeah, I never actually claimed to be *good* at Hebrew. But like I said before, I don't do well with phoentic spellings of words. Also, had my Lexicon not been packed away, I might have been able to look something up. :)

Anyone else do anything unique school-related on their Clie'?

Tim

[YeLLo]

I want to use my sj-33 at school, too. Since I know now that grafitti takes too much time and the built-in graphical keyboard sucks (it's not easy hitting each letter, and you never know if you've tipped strongly enough), I'm thinking of purchasing an external keyboard. By now, I know two models: 1. the original SONY one (I think it's $89 but I'm not sure, the sonystyle.com server just reports "",null),getFormatedValue("acc_Microphones_CamcorderMics",null)))),null)); %> " :D and 2. the wireless one from Pocketop Inc. (also $89).
Does anyone know other models? maybe cheaper than those I've mentionened?

thanks alot,
Charles

[Talula]

I don't know of any other models. Or wait, their might be a Belkin one. But if you are a serious note taker or want to really write papers, get the Sony one. I have both of the ones you mention and the Sony one is a million times better, easier to use, more reliable, more like a regular keyboard, etc. then the Pocketop one. That's my opinion.

[YeLLo]

thanks. now I'll search for a mini keyboard with QWERTZ-layout (german!!).. because on the German Sonystyle site I've only found the mini-mini-keyboard which is just as small as the gamepad buttons addon.

btw, do you think a bluetooth keyboard (i.e. by logitech) would work in combination with the MS bluetooth module? Though then the keyboard would be 10 times the size of the PDA device itself, it would be great because of the size of the buttons etc.

[Talula]

Why not get the Sony keyboard? It folds up nicely to a size just a bit bigger than the handheld. It is a fullsize keyboard with big buttons. Or wait a couple of weeks. The XT keyboard is supposed to come out which is VERY tiny! But still sports those fullsized buttons!

[kusumo]

I agree with TriBin. So far I couldn't find app that allow me to write mathematical formulae...

[NJL!2016]

i rather do it on pen and paper. i can't type fast so its more sensible for me. most of the writing i have is spanish homework and its hard to get the letters like ~ and Ễ
into my paper