Help Me!! I might be a CLIE traitor!!!

[fjl307]

I was reading a review of the T665c on Cnet today and saw the link to the Toshiba e310 PPC....the PPC is a little more in my budget....

 

HELP ME!!! I think I might get the PPC :(

[studentdoc]

I might be a clie traitor, too, but for different reasons. I like the looks of the new Palm Zire 71 posted at palminfocenter. Or, I would love the 64 MB of Ram that the new Tungsten promises, but I don't want the thumbboard.

Of course, I am sure that Sony has some dynamite new models coming; I just hope they get off their keesters and give me a reason to get another Clie!

[tsuribito]

You were not born to be clie user.
If you like something else better - buy it :)
We won't hate you for that.

[jedix]

Buy what you like. But remember, in a couple months sony will probably have something better and you will want to switch back.

[Jake K]

Originally posted by fjl307
I was reading a review of the T665c on Cnet today and saw the link to the Toshiba e310 PPC....the PPC is a little more in my budget....

 

HELP ME!!! I think I might get the PPC :(

Check out the Viewsonic V35. It's $50 cheaper then the e310 where I live. It has a far better/brighter screen then the e310 and a 300 mhz processor.

http://www.pdabuyersguide.com/viewsonic_V35.htm

Theres a good review there.

[Wizardb]

My daughter purchased a Toshiba PC (I think e310) a couple of months ago. I tried to help here get it set up and load some programs. I got so frustrated I told here to go ask somebody elso. The unit is very nice in looks, but I don't think the operating system is near as user friendly as the palm os. You know, its windows and you have to creat folders and everything else you do on your desktop. I think the palm system is MUCH easier to use.

[Jeffry]

Hey, don't worry if you are going to buy a Pocket PC. Whatever works for you... that's all that matters. I might buy a PPC as well in the near future. As of now, my NR70v suits me just fine :)

[Importluva]

yea I've switched back and forth. If ppc would offer something that I need/really want, then I'd switch. But Sony offers everythign that I want for right now.

[jedix]

I though about buying a Dell Axim just to fool around with, but I didn't. Even if I did, my heart is still with Palm and Sony.

[Mastervtec]

Originally posted by Wizardb
My daughter purchased a Toshiba PC (I think e310) a couple of months ago. I tried to help here get it set up and load some programs. I got so frustrated I told here to go ask somebody elso. The unit is very nice in looks, but I don't think the operating system is near as user friendly as the palm os. You know, its windows and you have to creat folders and everything else you do on your desktop. I think the palm system is MUCH easier to use.

Totoally Agreed!!!! I tried the whole PPC thing for about 2 weeks, so blasted frustrating!! It kept locking up too, but maybe that was my fault;) Anywho, I will stay with palm os until I see a big change in the way ppc are operated.

[birick]

Originally posted by jedix
I though about buying a Dell Axim just to fool around with, ...


That's what I did, the Axim price was right so I decided to try it out and see why some folks hate PPC so much. It's a nice little unit with both CF & SD. Simple to set up, easy to use and so far I've been unable to crash it (even after loading and unloading dozens of trial programs). I still carry my Clie, but I don't talk bad about PPC.

[knowledge]

I had an ipaq 3955 with 400 mhz processor. The processor speed does not mean anything on the ppc os because the pocket pc 2002 os was not made to support the 400 mhz processor. This means you pay for a faster processor that runs at slower speeds. The ppc is extremely unstable. I found myself doing numerous soft resets throughout the day. The 64mb or ram sounds good but you use this memory up when you are running programs. So you need to have at least 10-20mb to run programs at a decent speed. The battery life also is real bad. Needless to say I switched to palm os and got the nx. The palm os is fast, simple, reliable and user friendly. It works best for me. In the long run, you have to find the os that works best for you. Good luck in your decision.

[Jake K]

Originally posted by knowledge
I had an ipaq 3955 with 400 mhz processor. The processor speed does not mean anything on the ppc os because the pocket pc 2002 os was not made to support the 400 mhz processor. This means you pay for a faster processor that runs at slower speeds. The ppc is extremely unstable. I found myself doing numerous soft resets throughout the day. The 64mb or ram sounds good but you use this memory up when you are running programs. So you need to have at least 10-20mb to run programs at a decent speed. The battery life also is real bad. Needless to say I switched to palm os and got the nx. The palm os is fast, simple, reliable and user friendly. It works best for me. In the long run, you have to find the os that works best for you. Good luck in your decision.

I don't want to start any kind of "war" between os's or anything but...

The processor in PPC's make a huge difference while playing videos, playing games, emulation, etc. A 400 mhz PPC will run far faster then anything with a lesser processor speed.

Your PPC may have been unstable due to a hardware error or something. The OS is perfectly stable for me.

The battery life on my Viewsonic is the same as on my T665.

[TheSpies]

Originally posted by fjl307
HELP ME!!! I think I might get the PPC :(

nnnnooooooooo! quick! walk back towards the light! :D

[Talula]

I bought a refurbished E310 a month or so ago, just to see what the PPC was like. I was doing a presentation on the uses of handhelds in the classroom and my professor wanted both Palm and PPC presented and I knew nothing real about PPC.

I have it crash hard on me once. Lost everything. I was able to restore from my PC though.

I find it to be far less customizable than my Palm. I keep going in to try and and change preferences and such but there aren't any to change. Maybe I just haven't downloaded the right software.

I like it ok. Maybe I'd like it more if I hadn't been using Palm for the last year. The one thing that drives me nuts though is the whole running of applications thing. I open my datebook, I close it, I open my contacts and close it, I read an ebook and close that... I thought I was actually closing all of the apps. After a while some things are running so slowly I can't figure out what the problem is. Then I go to that "Running" page and I realize all of those programs are still "running." I didn't actually close them. I have to actually close them again, through this page.

I just don't get what the advantage is of running programs in the background. I'd love to have some one enlighten me.

[YTTAN]

Once you went to PPC world, you will be back sooner or later. Palm is more user friendly and NZ's LCD is the best you an get in all PPC world as well as in PALM OS. Get NX or NZ if you prefer better screen!!!

[___]

Don't get the toshiba, get the H1910.

[hansschmucker]

PPCbaby, would you mind removing that stupid ascii art. I don't find it offensive or something, it's just that it's too f***ing big.

You might be able to impress me if you could create something like that yourself... but using a converter?!? Shame on you!

[KEVIN88GT]

I went from a handspring Prism to a HP 1910 pocket pc. It is better in some ways...but it's also much more complicated. For my purposes, daily alarms (up to 12 a day at times), memo's, etc etc...let me just say that i ran back to best buy and returned the hp 1910 pocket pc because it was too damn complicated (from syncing , installing the software and just regular use...(dont get me wrong I'm pretty computer savy) but If i wanted the complicity of a Laptop I'd buy one of those thin ones on the market.
Since then I've gotten the t-665c and i'm very happy with it.

[Ubik]

Dont do it stick with us(nice picture!)

[knowledge]

Originally posted by Jake K


I don't want to start any kind of "war" between os's or anything but...

The processor in PPC's make a huge difference while playing videos, playing games, emulation, etc. A 400 mhz PPC will run far faster then anything with a lesser processor speed.

Your PPC may have been unstable due to a hardware error or something. The OS is perfectly stable for me.

The battery life on my Viewsonic is the same as on my T665.

The pocket pc platform by far currently has better games. Larger games do not run as smooth as smaller games. There isn't any difference in the xscale 400mhz speed and the strongarm 206mhz speed. The new pocket pc 2002 platform was not designed to handle the xscale 400mhz processor. Check out link for yourself. http://news.com.com/2100-1040-939328.html?tag=cd_mh

Again if the ppc os is working well for you, that is great. But from personal experience with 3 different pocket pcs, I can say they didn't work out for me. I use my pda to run medical apps. The pocket pc ran this apps much slower than my nx.

I am not saying that the palm os is better than the ppc os. It is all about finding the os that works best for your needs.

[davidy]

Originally posted by YTTAN
Once you went to PPC world, you will be back sooner or later. Palm is more user friendly and NZ's LCD is the best you an get in all PPC world as well as in PALM OS. Get NX or NZ if you prefer better screen!!!

Have been using the NEXiO SuperPDA with CE.net for more than a month now and absolutely loving the WVGA 800x480 screen especially for web browsing and reading references (esp. with graphics/tables).

Note however that this is not a PPC.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEXiOs

[Jake K]

Originally posted by knowledge


The pocket pc platform by far currently has better games. Larger games do not run as smooth as smaller games. There isn't any difference in the xscale 400mhz speed and the strongarm 206mhz speed. The new pocket pc 2002 platform was not designed to handle the xscale 400mhz processor. Check out link for yourself. http://news.com.com/2100-1040-939328.html?tag=cd_mh

Again if the ppc os is working well for you, that is great. But from personal experience with 3 different pocket pcs, I can say they didn't work out for me. I use my pda to run medical apps. The pocket pc ran this apps much slower than my nx.

I am not saying that the palm os is better than the ppc os. It is all about finding the os that works best for your needs.

Yes it's true that there is no actual difference in speed between the Strongarm processor and an Xscale, but there is a large difference between the a 200 mhz Xscale processor and a 400 mhz Xscale, for example.

[Importluva]

Originally posted by ___
Don't get the toshiba, get the H1910.

why? for a slower processor (compared to the newer version of the 310)? For no SDIO support? I mean you haven't even USED a ppc yet you are such a big advocate of them-really stupid. You really need to shut the h ell up cuz you don't know what you're talking about, all you talk about is how PPC is god. Go away troll.

[Jake K]

Originally posted by Importluva


why? for a slower processor (compared to the newer version of the 310)? For no SDIO support? I mean you haven't even USED a ppc yet you are such a big advocate of them-really stupid. You really need to shut the h ell up cuz you don't know what you're talking about, all you talk about is how PPC is god. Go away troll.

Well actually, the HP1910 does have a far, far better screen then the e310 and the e330, which is very important. The e310/e330 does also a 1/3 second button delay which makes it useless for any action games.

I'm not saying that the e310/e330 is worse, but for some, it would be.

[Importluva]

true, the screen is better, but I was also referring to other PPC's, I wasn't clear. Its just annoying that ___ keeps on praising the PPC's so much when he never even used one, from what he says.

[YTTAN]

davidy,

If you prefer 800x600, might as well get the vaio c1/g with at least 1024x800 with 20GB 256MB celeron 1.8GB at double the NZ's price and 5 times the weight only. I was thinking that too.

[davidy]

Originally posted by YTTAN
davidy,

If you prefer 800x600, might as well get the vaio c1/g with at least 1024x800 with 20GB 256MB celeron 1.8GB at double the NZ's price and 5 times the weight only. I was thinking that too.

There seems to be a constant misunderstanding of the NEXiO's size. Here's some comparative figures.

NEXiO 250g 155 x 91 x 31mm 183ml / 8.8oz 6.1 x 3.6 x 0.5in
NX70V 220g 136 x 72 x 23mm 232ml / 7.8oz 5.4 x 2.8 x 0.9in
NZ90 292g 143 x 76 x 23mm 250ml / 10.3oz 5.6 x 3 x 0.9in
Z C700 225g 120 x 83 x 19mm 185ml / 7.9oz 4.7 x 3.3 x 0.73in
C1MZX 998g 249 x 152 x 29mm 1098ml / 35oz 9.8 x 6.0 x 1.1in
PCG U3 820g 184 x 139 x 30.6mm 734ml / 29oz 7.3 x 5.5 x 1.2in

The NEXiO is just slightly longer and wider than the NX but thinner and takes up less volume. It is far smaller than the Sony U1 or U3 or U101 which are smaller than the C1/G you're referring to (which has 1280x600). The U series has 1024x768 in higher pixel density. I've researched the hires packages and have finally got one that isn't vaporware. Still waiting for the oQo (640x480x 20GB x XP), and/or antelopetech MCCs (800x600 x 20GB x XP).

[fjl307]

I can't leave precious hi resolution!! :) I do know that if I were to switch (chances are becoming slimmer) I sue wouldn't miss Sony's *wonderful* support

[exppcguy]

2 reasons why I am pack to Palm OS (after 2 years with HP Jornadas):

1) ActiveSync Sucks!!!
My primary use of a PDA is to review my 40-50 e-mails/day (and their attachments) off-line. For some unexplicable reason (several of my colleagues have verified this), ActiveSync hangs when you sync an e-mail with a Word file (with embedded table) as an attachment. It then proceeds to duplicate many e-mails in you Outlook folder on your PC! Even Activesync 3.6 never resolved this. DataViz Mail Rules!

2) 360x360 beats 240 x 320!
I look at a lot of Excel attachments, and fully zoomed out they are much more readable on the Clie than on any PPC.

Feels good to be back in the Palm OS camp.

[JackAxe]

I don't see why you would be a traitor.SONYs not exactly going out of it's way to keep us as their loyal customers. Out of all the companies I've bought products from SONY has to be the worst. Their customer support SUCKS. They've gone out of their way to make it difficult for users that like MP3 over ATTRAC. After 6 months you might as well forget the possibility of software updates from SONY. Their latest MSPro is only compatible with SONY products released on or after 4th quarter of 2002. How convenient for them. They deliberately made the CF slot proprietary to only their CF wireless card. I hope this new third party CF driver is a kick in the face for them.

<]=)

[___]

Originally posted by exppcguy
2 reasons why I am pack to Palm OS (after 2 years with HP Jornadas):

1) ActiveSync Sucks!!!
My primary use of a PDA is to review my 40-50 e-mails/day (and their attachments) off-line. For some unexplicable reason (several of my colleagues have verified this), ActiveSync hangs when you sync an e-mail with a Word file (with embedded table) as an attachment. It then proceeds to duplicate many e-mails in you Outlook folder on your PC! Even Activesync 3.6 never resolved this. DataViz Mail Rules!

2) 360x360 beats 240 x 320!
I look at a lot of Excel attachments, and fully zoomed out they are much more readable on the Clie than on any PPC.

Feels good to be back in the Palm OS camp.

360X360?

[davidy]

Originally posted by davidy


There seems to be a constant misunderstanding of the NEXiO's size. Here's some comparative figures.

NEXiO 250g 155 x 91 x 13mm 183ml / 8.8oz 6.1 x 3.6 x 0.5in
NX70V 220g 136 x 72 x 23mm 232ml / 7.8oz 5.4 x 2.8 x 0.9in
NZ90 292g 143 x 76 x 23mm 250ml / 10.3oz 5.6 x 3 x 0.9in
Z C700 225g 120 x 83 x 19mm 185ml / 7.9oz 4.7 x 3.3 x 0.73in
C1MZX 998g 249 x 152 x 29mm 1098ml / 35oz 9.8 x 6.0 x 1.1in
PCG U3 820g 184 x 139 x 30.6mm 734ml / 29oz 7.3 x 5.5 x 1.2in

NEXiO 250g 155 x 91 x 13mm (corrected above) and with a 5in WVGA screen of 800x480!!!

[Importluva]

Originally posted by ___


360X360?

Is that all you can say???? Why don't you actually USE a PPC first before preaching about them. You'll learn that it is nowhere as good as you think or claim it is. Really, no one listens to you cuz you have no idea what you're talkin about lol.

[ratman]

I wouldnt recommend Pocket PC's. I have to write software for them at work and find them very difficult to work with at the moment.

Applications on the PPC seem to have lots of annoying little bugs, such as Submit buttons and text fields being hidden beneath the silk screen/block recogniser thingy and having to minimise the silk screen before being able to access these features. Obviously this can become a problem when you are trying to enter text into a text box that is beneath the silk screen.

I think maybe in a couple of versions time the Pocket PC operating system will have evolved into something more intuitive at which point it should realise its full potential, but for the time being I would stick to a Clie.

[jedix]

Originally posted by birick



That's what I did, the Axim price was right so I decided to try it out and see why some folks hate PPC so much. It's a nice little unit with both CF & SD. Simple to set up, easy to use and so far I've been unable to crash it (even after loading and unloading dozens of trial programs). I still carry my Clie, but I don't talk bad about PPC.


Some of those deals Dell offers on the Axim making it very tempting. I'm just a gadget freak and would love just to have to fool around with!

[fjl307]

Originally posted by jedix



Some of those deals Dell offers on the Axim making it very tempting. I'm just a gadget freak and would love just to have to fool around with!

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I know what you mean. I've set my IE to not allow me to go to that site (Dell)

[jedix]

Originally posted by fjl307


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I know what you mean. I've set my IE to not allow me to go to that site (Dell)

hehehe!