TG50 - BT77 Bluetooth GPS - Tomtom ->Bluetooth freezes

[z.1]

Hi,

i just tried to install tomtom onto my tg50 .
Tomtom is starting , i can let it calculate a route and so on.
However , after a short period , tomtom says "NO GPS" .
If i exit from tomtom in this state , the bluetooth is still on , and i cant access the bluetooth port by any application. After a hardreset the port is working again.

I tried the DIGIMAP demo, and it is working fine , without any BT issues.
Mapsonic loses connection sometimes , but is able to reconect to the gps unit without forcing me to hardreset.

Any ideas ?

Thnx

[Drikus]

Same here with ADAPT GPS and tomtom 4.40. Driving me nuts and still searching for a solution. ADAPT GPS has the same hardware as the BT77.

[z.1]

what kind of device are you using ?

[Drikus]

sony ux-50

[Drikus]

Found out there is nothing wrong with the combo nemerix gps (NMEA) and palm device. The app tomtom fails to establish a stable connection. :mad:

For a good test app, look here.

http://www.leadtek.nl/nts/uk/index.php?page=support/downloads/downdata.php&did=79&sid=11&st=GPS%209534%20CF

and download the Palm OS util..

[t.1]

thanks for the link
there was a smilar tool for windows already bundled with my gps receiver
( Nemerix Control Utilily for BT-GPS)
at first i was optimistic to able to solve this problem , but now i think there is no working solution available.
i am still not sure whether it is an issue with the gps receiver , tomtom or the clie.

tomtom doesn't seems to be able to reconnect after loosing the bt connection, so the problem could be tomtom

mapsonic/viamichelin is loosing the bt connection, too, but one can reconect to the receiver which is a very annoying procedure while driving
seems like buying a new pda is the only solution :(

[Tim22]

I dont think buying a new pda is the solution i think buying a wired gps receiver is the solution. If you go on ebay theyre very cheap, much cheaper than a new pda!!!

[z.1]

I dont think buying a new pda is the solution i think buying a wired gps receiver is the solution. If you go on ebay theyre very cheap, much cheaper than a new pda!!!

yeah dude you are right , but i have got already a usb gps unit , now i bought a bluetooth one for my clie.
usb can't be used beacuse of client-host issues, bt connection is dropping.
Buying a serial device would force me to buy another adapter for the clie , and for the gps unit ....
i just don't want to waste more money on a palm device that maybe wasn't meant to be used for anything else than storing phonenumbers.

[Drikus]

only thing what came to ming is that the nemerix based GPS mouse is outputting to many NMEA strings per second.

Default: NMEA-0183 (V3.01) – GGA(1), GSA(3),
GSV(3), RMC(1),VTG(1),Band rate 9600 bps,
Data bit : 8, stop bit : 1(Default)

Where GSA and GSV in most GPS devices are set to 5. But is a bit of a long shot... and i can't test this because the included nemerix package is unable to connect to the bluetooth "serial" comport.

@ Guest ... What version of nemerix software tool do you have. I got v0.93...

Be carefull settings this parms because it could render youre GPS mouse useless.

[Drikus]

TomTom is a very stange app. Even when feeding a simulated NMEA string with GPSgate it fails to retrieve the data. All other palm GPS apps works fine with this simulated NMEA stream. There is some strange magic going on with TomTom. It probably looks what kind of bluetooth device it is PC(simulation) or none (BT GPS ADAPT) or an bluetooth device ID where i don't know about. Don't know much about the bluetooth protocol so not sure how this proces works. But my gues is that TomTom has an bluetooth device id list builtin which includes compatible BT GPS mouses. Can't think of anything else right now.

The same problem is appearing on the PPC platform. The nemerix BT-GPS don't want to connect via BT and when selecting a serial mouse and bypassing some come ports it works fine. Rerouting via serial is probably bypassing TT BT device detection. Problem is that there is no serial port on my Palm UX-50 so can't do this rerouting.

So i give up and give TomTom a call, should have done that in the first place, but a once a geek, always a geek. Needed a replacement BT GPS mouse because mine original TT mouse was nicked, or i dropped it somewhere without me noticing:-)
It was the cheapest solution but next time i do some more research on what mouse is supported.

Sorry for the conjecturing....

[z.1]

Hi,

i have version 0.9.5.1 of nctLite for BT Tool.

i've installed btToggle , and mapped the bt on/off key to a button, now when tomtom looses the connection to the bt gps and says "No GPS Unit", i just press the button to disable bluetooth , and then press the button again to turn it on, and tomtom just starts to search for a bt devices. so at least i dont have to do a reset after the connection loss , anyway this is not a solution to problem

somehow i didnt got to point of your last post.
what gps mouse where you using , btw, which one neede to be replaced ?
(an original Tomtom GPS mouse , or a Nemerix one ) ?

[Drikus]

I had to replace the original tomtom gps mouse with the nemerix adapt BT-GPS
But it doesn't seem to work with TomTom.

Could you mail me the nctlite tool you have and i give it one more try.. TIA

[z.1]

http://www.File-Upload.net/13.06.05/uwchqu.jpg

"save as..." this link and rename it to "whatyoulike.exe"

see ya

[z.1]

and i forgot , i found this somewhere ,

"you might want to check that the gps NEMERIX chipset is adding a checksum at the end of each sentence - *xy where xy is a two digit checksum."

don't know whether this info is usefull, but letz see :)

[Drikus]

Thanks for the app, altough this version doesn't want to connect via a comport also. Not sure what is going on. Haven't had a chance to call TomTom about why it fails to establish a stable connection. But tested the ADAPT GPS with a PPC Dell Axim today and all works fine (from a colleague). So the GPS hardware is working as advertised. Tommorow i will check it with my own palm and a tomtom BT-GPS original.

[z.1]

i checked the gps mouse on a laptop , no errors occured so far , therefore i think my gps mouse is working properly , could be some kind of issue with sony's implemetation of the bt port , the palmos itself , or tomtom

[Drikus]

Forget what i said earlier about GPSgate. I configured something wrong in this app. http://franson.com/gpsgate/ But now..... got this app configured correctly and the results are... When rerouting the BT-GPS data via the PC to a physical com port where i let the palm connect, the connection is stable !!!!!!...

I am realy suprised because it's the same NMEA data what is rerouted. It has something to do with some pickiness in the bluetooth protocol and some extra checking within tomtom.. From the opensource code TomTom released for the TT Go version (http://www.tomtom.com/page.php?Page=gpl) and the modification they have done to the BT stuff i guess that they are checking the BT majorcode en minorcode and maybe that's the cause, because mine ADAPT BT-GPS has none.. At least this is what windows XP is telling me when pairing the GPS device.. (unknown major(31) and minor) Again a lot of conjecturing but no way we can solve this ourself. Other GPS programs on the palm don't have this problem, so the TT soft could be the cause.

For the ADAPT GPS i find it strange that there is no proper BT major, minor code and not sure what the BT rules are.

But again i don't think this BT-GPS is gonna work on our sony palm devices when used with tomtom. I'll return the nemerix based GPS and exchange it for something else. I hope you could still return it otherwise you have to wait for a TT patch, someday.

Oh and i called TT today and the said the UX-50 isn't supported so no help there.

It was fun hunting and have nice day...

[z.1]

there is just one thing appearing as a possible solution :)

a small utility , connecting to the BT port , receiving the gps signal , and supllying the signal to a virtual serial port , where tomom connects to.

on the other hand , you are right , it could be cheaper just buying a new gps unit :)

[Drikus]

Did you know there is an update for your BT stack on the TG 50
http://esupport.sony.com/perl/swu-download.pl?mdl=PEGTG50&upd_id=1093&os_id=12

Make a backup before installing because it needs a hard reset for deinstalling the BT files

[z.1]

Did you know there is an update for your BT stack on the TG 50
http://esupport.sony.com/perl/swu-download.pl?mdl=PEGTG50&upd_id=1093&os_id=12

Make a backup before installing because it needs a hard reset for deinstalling the BT files

yes i did , thank you anyway.

unfortunatly this update doesn't solves the probelm with tomtom and takes some of your internal ram.

i'll let you know if i find out something ,

greetz

[Noisy_cricket]

yes i did , thank you anyway.

unfortunatly this update doesn't solves the probelm with tomtom and takes some of your internal ram.

i'll let you know if i find out something ,

greetz

I had the same problem, although with an ipaq 2210

select "another cable gps" use baud rate 9600 (cuz it wont work with others)
and select the bluetooth serial port (on 2210 its com8)

then it should ask you for your gps unit..

select the "bt gps" unit

voila.. it should work..

Christopher

AKA

Noisy_Cricket

from Denmark

[Drikus]

thanks for suggestion but my palm the ux_50 hasn't got a serial port or com ports. :-) Bought myself a globalsat BT-338 and it works fine.

[z.1]

thanks for suggestion but my palm the ux_50 hasn't got a serial port or com ports. :-) Bought myself a globalsat BT-338 and it works fine.

no more freezes with you new bt gps mouse with tomtom 5 ?

greetings

[Drikus]

No freezes anymore ever. TT recalculates without problem. No lag when adding a lots of POI's. No lag when spoken word is on.

I am pretty happy with it. :-) :-) :-)

[z.1]

Finally, I have found a solution :D :D :D

It is working now without any freezes.

First reset the Nmea protcol with the NctLIte tool.
Then create a new Nmea message by selecting every protocol but the VTG.
Leave the rate at 1.
Send the message to the gps unit.

That'z it , no more freezes with tomtom

[Drikus]

Wow :D And I'm really amazed by this. One of my first hunches was that the GPS did output to much data for tomtom to handle. Default nemerix nmea output is

Default: NMEA-0183 (V3.01) – GGA(1), GSA(3),
GSV(3), RMC(1),VTG(1),Band rate 9600 bps,
Data bit : 8, stop bit : 1(Default)

Where Tomtom expects.

Default: NMEA-0183 (V3.01) – GGA(1), GSA(5),
GSV(5), RMC(1),VTG(1),Band rate 9600 bps,
Data bit : 8, stop bit : 1(Default)

So setting it to

Default: NMEA-0183 (V3.01) – GGA(1), GSA(1),
GSV(1), RMC(1),VTG(1),Band rate 9600 bps,
Data bit : 8, stop bit : 1(Default)

as you did is quite a suprise for me because the nmea output is coming even faster now, every second. I must admit i didn't try that option, because i thought less data per second was better. :D

But again good to hear it works for you, well done :D

[z.1]

Yes , it is a big surprise , because i was just about to get a new gps unit.
During my last 600km trip (mainly using highways) i had no problems at all using tomtom :rolleyes:

[pjs2004]

z.1,

What version of TomTom did you get working with your TG50? Was it TomTom Navigator 5? I want to get TomTom Navigator 5 with the bluetooth unit. It looks pretty awesome, but I want to make sure I can get it working with my TG50.

-P.J.

[z.1]

z.1,

What version of TomTom did you get working with your TG50? Was it TomTom Navigator 5? I want to get TomTom Navigator 5 with the bluetooth unit. It looks pretty awesome, but I want to make sure I can get it working with my TG50.

-P.J.

Hi,

yes it is the TomTom 5. (v 5.00)
I haven't tried the update yet (v 5.12), but i guess there wont be any more problems.

[pjs2004]

That's awesome! Nice job getting to work. I can't wait to check it out.

[robbie66]

Thank you VERY much indeed for this post, I spent 4 hrs trying to get my 2210 and BT-338 to talk, in a few seconds everything was sorted !!!

Thanks


Roberto.




I had the same problem, although with an ipaq 2210

select "another cable gps" use baud rate 9600 (cuz it wont work with others)
and select the bluetooth serial port (on 2210 its com8)

then it should ask you for your gps unit..

select the "bt gps" unit

voila.. it should work..

Christopher

AKA

Noisy_Cricket

from Denmark

[Carlos32cc]

hello, I have not either been able to make work tomtom more than 1 minute, you could explain step by step since you have obtained it. On the other hand what is the "NctLIte" and where I can unload it? Thanks

Finally, I have found a solution :D :D :D

It is working now without any freezes.

First reset the Nmea protcol with the NctLIte tool.
Then create a new Nmea message by selecting every protocol but the VTG.
Leave the rate at 1.
Send the message to the gps unit.

That'z it , no more freezes with tomtom

[z.1]

hello, I have not either been able to make work tomtom more than 1 minute, you could explain step by step since you have obtained it. On the other hand what is the "NctLIte" and where I can unload it? Thanks

NctLite is a configuration tool for nemerix based gps units.
I am not at home right now , so i cant upload it , may be someone else?

With nctlite you can change the nmea ouput settings.
I have selected every protocol (but NO vtg ) and left the rate at 1.
Then send this config to the unit.

[Samuel from Fr]

samueldewilde.free.fr/Bluetooth_NctLite.exe

This program is sometimes on the CD, it must be launched on PC with BT.

Unfortunately, the Z.1's solution don't work on my TG-50 with Tomtom 4.42 and Aktronix BT receiver. Freeze appears when it recalculate a new route or after some kilometers.

Tomtom 5.12 works maybe better ?

Who can help me ?

Samuel

[motrolaboy]

Hi Guys, I've got a Sony UX50 CLIE, I tried everything and spend hours to make it work with Gps bluetooth. I have reset the NMEA protocol through NClite tool as adviced by you. But It hasn't worked for me, after few minutes Tom Tom says No GPS signal found and it drops the conection. Is there anything else you guys recon...Please advice? I have although baught a BT-338 last night as said by Drikus.

[danfid]

hello!
i have a sony peg ux50 and have bought a holux gr-231 with a fantastic sensibility,but with my ux-50 and tomtom5 after 10 seconds working well it says "no gps fonud".
i have tryied a bt gps Leadtek 9537 Bluetooth GPS , and works perfectly for hours without crashing with tomtom5 and my ux-50 : i sell te holux and buy
a leadtek!!!

it's perfect!!

[etam]

Z1.. with TomTom.. did you install the map and program in memory stick? or on-board ram?

I got a Palm Zire72 and BT GPS and TomTom 5... now I am just wondering if
I can setup it to work on my wife's TG50.

thanks!!

[z.1]

Z1.. with TomTom.. did you install the map and program in memory stick? or on-board ram?

I got a Palm Zire72 and BT GPS and TomTom 5... now I am just wondering if
I can setup it to work on my wife's TG50.

thanks!!


Hi,

the on-board ram ist too small for keeping all the files , you have to install everything on a memory stick.

[pyrophilus]

Help,

I just got Tomtom 5 (5.0 and 5.120) working in Clie PEG-TG50 with Haicom Bluetooth GPS.

Everything seems fine, except that the voices are SLOOOOW.

Anyone know what could be wrong?

I have a Clean TG50, with hard reset with NO other apps installed.

[ech18]

Yeah, I had the same problem. Its because the voices come in 22kHz and 16kHz format. You could try and download them from the TOMTOM website as well. PM me and i'll send you a voice that works, its not great but it will get you started.

[paso]

Help,

I just got Tomtom 5 (5.0 and 5.120) working in Clie PEG-TG50 with Haicom Bluetooth GPS.

Everything seems fine, except that the voices are SLOOOOW.


Try installing MCA2 library. That worked on my nx73v

[erv2]

Hi all,

I have a Sony Clie TG50 and i want to buy a bluetooth gps receiver from ebay.

i found some "32 chanels" rreveiver from ebay, e.g. http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/32-CHANNEL-BLUETOOTH-GPS-RECEIVER-SAT-NAV-NOKIA-TOMTOM_W0QQitemZ9704734417QQcategoryZ4668QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

does anyone have any idea of will the work with TG50?

and also, this "32 channel" thing sounds very good, but i just can't find any big names produces 32 channel receiver, is this a scam or it really works?

thank you guys.

[ech18]

Hi, Well That particular GPS receiver works very well with the TG50 as I use it regularly with TOMTOM 5. I'm sure other makes are fine to. As for the 32 channels well as i've never picked up more than 6 satellities I wouldn't get too hung up on that but they are a good price and they work so you can't go that wrong. :)