False advertising

[Jeffry]

http://www.sonystyle.com/intershoproot/eCS/Store/en/imagesProducts/ProductTour/computing/tg50/images/tour06.jpg

http://www.sonystyle.com/intershoproot/eCS/Store/en/imagesProducts/ProductTour/computing/tg50/images/tour12.jpg

Right...

[Rosenkrantz]

I don't understand your statement? It plays mp3's and movies yes? True it doesn't hold a lot of music or much of a movie but it does a decent job.

[Jeffry]

Originally posted by Rosenkrantz
I don't understand your statement? It plays mp3's and movies yes? True it doesn't hold a lot of music or much of a movie but it does a decent job.

I don't think it comes with kinoma player, and the skin isn't interchangeable.

[Jeffry]

In addition, I thought the TG50 is compatible with MS Pro?

[OcellNuri]

Yea... you got them there. It looks to me like they stuck the picture of the TG50 ontop of the promotional material for the SJ33. If you look at the SJ33 info, they are just about identical. Looks like the people with PR at Sony don't know the diff. between the two units.

[Kesh]

*sigh* It's not false advertising. To be false advertising, the vendor has to have intentionally created misleading media about their product/service's capabilities.

As Ocell pointed out, it looks like all Sony's advertisers are guilty of is laziness. :) A mistake, yes. Not intentional, most likely.

[TreoRenegade]

False advertising tends to fall under a series of individual laws, frequently referred to jointly as "consumer protection" statutes. Statutes are drafted/passed by varying state legislatures, as well as the federal government. State requirements per the pertinent statute(s) vary from state to state; actual requirements are further explained in interpretive caselaw-- opinions written by judges dealing with a live controversy between 2 or more opposing parties.

Where interstate commerce is involved, the Federal Trade Commission has jurisdiction. This may coincide with whatever particular state may be involved (state jurisdiction: a can of worms given Internet complications-- where your computer is located? the server housing the relevant website? the company's state of incorporation? all or some of the above? is the state law "pre-empted" by the federal scheme? etc)

The Fed's view: excerpt from
http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/conline/pubs/buspubs/ruleroad.htm

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GENERAL OFFERS AND CLAIMS
PRODUCTS AND SERVICES

The Federal Trade Commission Act allows the FTC to act in the interest of all consumers to prevent deceptive and unfair acts or practices. In interpreting Section 5 of the Act, the Commission has determined that a representation, omission or practice is deceptive if it is likely to:

mislead consumers and
affect consumers' behavior or decisions about the product or service.
In addition, an act or practice is unfair if the injury it causes, or is likely to cause, is:

substantial
not outweighed by other benefits and
not reasonably avoidable.
The FTC Act prohibits unfair or deceptive advertising in any medium. That is, advertising must tell the truth and not mislead consumers. A claim can be misleading if relevant information is left out or if the claim implies something that's not true. For example, a lease advertisement for an automobile that promotes "$0 Down" may be misleading if significant and undisclosed charges are due at lease signing.

In addition, claims must be substantiated, especially when they concern health, safety, or performance. The type of evidence may depend on the product, the claims, and what experts believe necessary. If your ad specifies a certain level of support for a claim - "tests show X" - you must have at least that level of support.

Sellers are responsible for claims they make about their products and services. Third parties - such as advertising agencies or website designers and catalog marketers - also may be liable for making or disseminating deceptive representations if they participate in the preparation or distribution of the advertising, or know about the deceptive claims.
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TreoRenegade

[OcellNuri]

Yup.. Identical...

http://www.sonystyle.com/intershoproot/eCS/Store/en/imagesProducts/ProductTour/computing/sj33/images/tour15.jpg





























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[EdFrmBrighthand]

Kinoma Player is free.

However, I agree Sony's advertising people don't seem to know their products. Looks like OcellNuri is right, this copy goes with the SJ33 much better than it does with the TG50, which is MS PRO compatible. And these are the same people who put together all the images showing the headphones, which the TG50 doesn't have.

This is in strong contrast with Sony's PR people, who know their products very well.

[OcellNuri]

What gets me is they overlooked the fact that the TG50 DOES support MSPro, but then they made a point to add in a sub note that the TG50 does not come with headphones. Attention to the small details, but they missed the big ones.

[Importluva]

Eh, companies make mistakes. They'll find out soon enough

[UZI4U182]

Sony tends to make a lot of mistakes. The T665c with virtual graffiti, SJ22 with VG status bar, SJ33 with VG...this happens a lot.

[Jeffry]

Not to mention the numerous images that has been photoshopped...

[Jake K]

Originally posted by Jeffry
Not to mention the numerous images that has been photoshopped...

I don't think Sony would even think about releasing anything that hasn't been run through photoshop. That goes for every other company out there as well.

[s_n_m]

Perhaps that's where sony's ideas come from?

"OMG you put a picture of palm os onto that flip phone screen? You're fired! I want this product to be called the NR70, made and on the market by next week, and discontinued by next month!"

Product design at Sony Corp.

[wilsonch_98]

Originally posted by OcellNuri
Yup.. Identical...


I can't believe they just copy and paste.....sony should fire that marketing staff!!

[Unregistered]

jeff you really wasting your time crying over an issue no one cares about. its a good product you just wished you had one

[Jeffry]

Originally posted by Unregistered
jeff you really wasting your time crying over an issue no one cares about. its a good product you just wished you had one

FYI I am bringing this topic up for discussion. I already have the option to buy an NR70v or a TG50 when it first came out just weeks ago and I chose the NR70v. Why? Simply because the NR70v suits me perfectly.

If you think I am wasting my own time then that's my problem. It's also your problem wasting your time posting here in the first place. If you don't like to add something to this thread then don't post. If no one cares then why is there so many responses?

[rlc7254]

Originally posted by Jeffry
In addition, I thought the TG50 is compatible with MS Pro?

 

They are compatible. I am running a MS Pro 256mb as I write this. It worked right out of the box that way, no patches or anything.

 

 ;)

 

 :p

[OcellNuri]

The issue here isn't that it bothers me as far as me being misled. I, like most of us here, keep up with this stuff and don't need Sony's PR websites to explain the function of a handheld. However, where this becomes an issue is to the ill-informed consumer looking to make a purchase. I remember back before I came to cliesource.com I was looking on Sony's website when the T415 first came out. I don't remember the details, but I do remember being confused about a few of the features of the T415. This was a result of contradictory statements on Sony's part. These kind of slip ups could lead someone to buy something with false hopes.

We have seen VG on T series handhelds, OS5 on OS4 handhelds, a KB11 keyboard working with a NX, false information regarding the combatibility of MSPro, and I am sure more. I am sure that many turn to sonystyle.com as the definitive source of information regarding these products, but it also seems to be one of the most potent sources of error.