Hurray, Sony is also full of ______, just like MS.

[JackAxe]

Good news for us "PC" game peeps, Sony wasn't demoing the PS3's RSX GPU, but an upcoming PC GPU from NVidia; :p

http://www.macworld.com/news/2005/05/27/ps3graphics/index.php

I guess this is why they insist on calling their "game" machine, a computer enterainment system.

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[Ezikial Anta]

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Hah... +1 more for Revolution...
Its not really good (for Nintendo) when Sony and MS keep up this BS war, because the consumers are stupid and just keep getting burned.

[JackAxe]

If anything, it shows what PCs will be capable of doing later this year. :)

I have a great deal of respect for Nintendo, they've never steered me wrong, nor have boasted as much BS as Sony and MS have, at least not that I'm aware of.

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[LupeValenz]

Thats good to hear, now Sony can come back later telling MS that it is even more powerful than their XBox360.

[Homie S]

Sony and everyone who had footage in the demo reel said they were not real time; I was under the impression that of people knew it was still on dev-hardware and most of Sony's and Microsoft's showings were smoke and mirrors. Way to go, Sherlock.

Its not really good (for Nintendo) when Sony and MS keep up this BS war, because the consumers are stupid and just keep getting burned

What are you saying here exactly?

I'm waiting to see what system can put up what games and what developers are signing onto whichever platform. All three manufacturers seem to be able to rustle whatever bushes they want. I think this parallels the whole Microsoft using a couple G5's to show their demos: I really don't think it's that big of a deal.

Right now I am only aware of Metal Gear Solid 4 that is definitely in the works for the PS3, which is reason enough to buy the system.



I have a great deal of respect for Nintendo, they've never steered me wrong, nor have boasted as much BS as Sony and MS have, at least not that I'm aware of.




http://www.gamersmark.com/news/2002/06/1/1497/

[Ezikial Anta]

What are you saying here exactly?




I am saying, look, if Sony tells my little cousins that the PS3 can do their homework for them, or something rediculous, and they believe it, what do you think their next system purchase will be? What will hapen to Sony doing the homework on the PS3 promise? It will never be mentioned ever again. The big N USUALLY doesnt make these way far out there promises. But even if they do, and the idea flops, they usually try it at least once (E-readers, anyone?)

[Homie S]

I am saying, look, if Sony tells my little cousins that the PS3 can do their homework for them, or something rediculous, and they believe it, what do you think their next system purchase will be? What will hapen to Sony doing the homework on the PS3 promise? It will never be mentioned ever again. The big N USUALLY doesnt make these way far out there promises. But even if they do, and the idea flops, they usually try it at least once (E-readers, anyone?)

I disagree this time around, in a different sense. Let me quote a mod from another gaming forum I visit regularly.

People here need to stop talking [typing?] out of both sides of their mouths when it comes to "hype". "Hype" is not a company having a press conference or crappy MTV event about their upcoming goods, that's what companies do. "Hype" is talking about it for hours a day on message boards, posting euphemisms for ejaculating about a game you've seen 4 screenshots and 6 seconds of poorly compressed shakycam 160 x 120 footage of, getting in an argument at a game store about a game or believing a single word in a preview in the games press. That is hype.

Now, based on his comments, the hype is here, but it is based on what the companies put out. But If people can't get past the fact that it's in the best interest of companies to get their product out, telling people their awesome neato system specs, showing off demo reels that aren't even true-to-spec, or have them make some comments about how their console will outsell another console, they are blind. Personally, I think companies like Microsoft and Sony don't need to be doing the same advertising as before, at least at E3. They don't have to because people are already looking forward to what they have next.

[daver]

i can see where everybody is coming from, but i can't say that i'm taking sides here. i'm a halo junkie myself, mostly because i got xbox stuff super cheap from my brother who's working for MS down in Redmond. If he were working for Sony, then I'd be playing on a PS2 instead of an Xbox.

Both Sony and MS did an excellent job throwing out all the BS they could to advertise their new platform. I'd give them a standing O for that. But honestly, it's just another way to make a quick buck off you. honestly, the PS3 and XBox360 will be no different than each other, despite the whole loyalty hype(Xbox is better!
NO! PS3 is better!
And then the whole world jumps in and total chaos ensues)

And I kinda agree with JackAxe, in that Nintendo has never loaded up my mind with BS about their products. From what i've heard, the Gamecube (original one, not the upcoming model) can blow both the Xbox and PS2 outta the sky with internals specs. But that's what I've heard. I've never heard or seen Nintendo boasting about their GC, even if it is more powerful than the competing MS and Sony platforms

[Homie S]

And I kinda agree with JackAxe, in that Nintendo has never loaded up my mind with BS about their products. From what i've heard, the Gamecube (original one, not the upcoming model) can blow both the Xbox and PS2 outta the sky with internals specs. But that's what I've heard. I've never heard or seen Nintendo boasting about their GC, even if it is more powerful than the competing MS and Sony platforms

Ah, but this is what I posted earlier that shows the difference. Game selection? Developer's choice of platform? That is one of the important things about sales. Microsoft and Sony have the games to backup their consoles, Nintendo, while obviously going for a different consumer, still lack in sales, even with a technically better console per se (I don't even know if this is true).

No doubt about it though, Nintendo has a niche in the handheld market, you can't deny that. I saw some staggering YTD numbers comparing DS to PSP in Japan.

[JackAxe]

Ah, but this is what I posted earlier that shows the difference. Game selection? Developer's choice of platform? That is one of the important things about sales. Microsoft and Sony have the games to backup their consoles, Nintendo, while obviously going for a different consumer, still lack in sales, even with a technically better console per se (I don't even know if this is true).

No doubt about it though, Nintendo has a niche in the handheld market, you can't deny that. I saw some staggering YTD numbers comparing DS to PSP in Japan.
let's us look at the systems from a sales perspecitve. Sony is number one of course, but Nintendo is second. The Xbox has yet to turn a profit for Microsoft and has lost over a billion dollars since its release. The GameCube on the other hand has been profitable for Nintendo. Nintedo also has the games to back up its system, they're a different flavor for the most part, but never the less still great games, and some of the best in my opinion. Nintendo lost a few developers like Activision, but that didn't bother me since I never bought their style of games. Other developers like Rare weren't lost, they were aquired by those MS turkeys.

The Xbox can feed more polys then a GC, but not enough that it really makes a difference with the current style of games. On the other hand, the GC can handle more textures then an XBox, so is cable of producing nicer looking games. Regardless, I like the GC because its load times are from quick to instant, and of course for its unique and great games.

I regard the PSP as a great portable, but for games like Fire Emblem or Final Fantasy tactics as an example, its an overkill. These games plus Pokemon and Zelda will always keep Nintendo in the forefront of handhelds.

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[Homie S]

let's us look at the systems from a sales perspecitve. Sony is number one of course, but Nintendo is second. The Xbox has yet to turn a profit for Microsoft and has lost over a billion dollars since its release. The GameCube on the other hand has been profitable for Nintendo. Nintedo also has the games to back up its system, they're a different flavor for the most part, but never the less still great games, and some of the best in my opinion. Nintendo lost a few developers like Activision, but that didn't bother me since I never bought their style of games. Other developers like Rare weren't lost, they were aquired by those MS turkeys.

Well profit wise, yes. Once again Microsoft posted ~200 million losses off of Xbox Q1, but that doesn't mean they didn't sell more units (In North America at least, in Japan the xbox's performance is quite subpar). Microsoft can definitely afford it though. I really think they use the Xbox as a marketing tool. You can lose profit on a product, but when your company's profit easily topples over any loss it could possibly have, you get your name out there. In North America, Sony outruns everyone, with Microsoft and then Nintendo bringing up the rear.

[JackAxe]

The XBox was just a way for them to get into living rooms, since nobody wanted to develop for a MS media center, and now that it's actually starting to do well, they've doomed it wtih the XB360 which has been touted as a media center.

Sony is a game beast and will probably always be on top. At least they have my intrest with their new console. MS had me on PPC and lost me on media center, and since I'm shallow I'm not interested in owning a white Dell. :)

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