New Clie View 1.1

[pelaca]

This new CLIE Viewer has a better performance and some improvements. But for now it's only for the Japanese market.

CLIE Viewer 1.1 (Japanse support page) (http://www.nccl.sony.co.jp/download/C-W011-005-01/index.html)

[UI018397]

Converting Japaneses utilities to English is your strength, isn't it ? ;)

[pelaca]

Originally posted by UI018397
Converting Japaneses utilities to English is your strength, isn't it ? ;)

I'm working on it... :D

[TheSpies]

Let me know if you translate this one :), i hate waiting and Sony US will take eons to put this out if ever.

What would be ideal is for Sony to put out a flash upgrade to 5.2 with all these improvements (i know, there is a higher chance of extraterrestrials releasing the upgrade before Sony US does)

[bluguru]

Hopefully, it will store the thumbnails into memory instead of re-drawing them everytime you view a pic or start the program. Good luck!

[Selachii]

*the above*
and be able to watch in landscape fullscreen :)

[pelaca]

Originally posted by bluguru
Hopefully, it will store the thumbnails into memory instead of re-drawing them everytime you view a pic or start the program. Good luck!

It's exactly that it does

[pelaca]

Originally posted by Selachii
*the above*
and be able to watch in landscape fullscreen :)

If you rotate the picture 90 degrees, you can fill up the screen

[n2ifp]

Yeah, the original version has to go!!!

[pelaca]

Originally posted by n2ifp
Yeah, the original version has to go!!!

Yeah, you are right. Fool of me, I never use it previously.

[sheik28]

What if you dont have enough free memory to store all of the thumbnails? Or do they have a small enough of a file size so as not to make a difference?

[NXTacy]

I'm working on translating this one too. It seems a bit speedier and it's integrated with the image upload tool. Gonna start working on this one today.

[OcellNuri]

I would hope it will store the thumbnails on the MS like AcidImage does. The thumbnails in AcidImage are very small.. so access time from the MS is very short.

We have seen so many improved apps (better flash player, better Clie View, Picsel) I really feel it's about time for Sony to put out a FlashROM update. I know it won't happen, but it's getting frustrating to have to fill up my RAM with these improved apps when Sony could support us and release a FlashROM update easily.

[sstrasser86]

but they won't and if they do it will coast a crap-load

[pelaca]

Originally posted by NXTacy
I'm working on translating this one too. It seems a bit speedier and it's integrated with the image upload tool. Gonna start working on this one today.

We can collaborate with the translation. If you want, of course.

[bluguru]

Great Find Folks!!! Does anyone know which device they have put this on, or is it an updrade?

[NXTacy]

Peleca. Sure would love to. I've hit a roadblock already though. This new one replaces the one that is on ROM so it is ROM too. I'm not brave enough to try to edit the 300k installer as it's moving stuff in and out of ROM. I have been able to modify the new Clie_Viewer.prc just the Forms, but of course I can't get the old one out of rom and this new on into it. The strings and forms are pretty much the same as ver 1.0 I changed the app name so I could keep it in ram and compare it against the old one. Looks like I'm going to have to get JackFlash/Sprat before I can move on.

[pelaca]

Originally posted by NXTacy
Peleca. Sure would love to. I've hit a roadblock already though. This new one replaces the one that is on ROM so it is ROM too. I'm not brave enough to try to edit the 300k installer as it's moving stuff in and out of ROM. I have been able to modify the new Clie_Viewer.prc just the Forms, but of course I can't get the old one out of rom and this new on into it. The strings and forms are pretty much the same as ver 1.0 I changed the app name so I could keep it in ram and compare it against the old one. Looks like I'm going to have to get JackFlash/Sprat before I can move on.

I will tell you my progress tonight...

[NXTacy]

Translated. Well enough to be usefull. I didn't translate the error strings except for if you remove the memory stick or filter so no images are available. There is one box maybe Pelaca can help me with this one. I have no idea what it's for. When you click on options and then Clie Viewer. What the heck is this box for?

The program will still have the same icon and title of Clie Viewer. It will show up in your filez as Viewer though. I renamed it so you can compare it side by side to the old one and because I'll leave it up to individuals to toy with getting stuff in and out of their own rom.

I have to say I'm not impressed. It doesn't seem to cache. Individual images open up quicker but the thumbnails take just about as long with the few images I've tested. It puts itself in rom but needs to be reinstalled if you hard reset. Can't just restore it from a backup

If you test it out let me know what you think.

Anyways you can get it for a while from here
http://www.angelfire.com/biz/techadvantage/clieviewnew.zip

[pelaca]

Some strings and alerts done...
You have to install all the files, not only the "CLIEViewer.prc" for take all the new features...
The refresh of the tumbnails are really improved...

Last Version (http://clienx_cf_modem.tripod.com/CLIEViewer/)

[pelaca]

Any Japanese reader can translate this

[pelaca]

And this other...

[hafu]

I installed the upgrade on My Japanese NX and it is a significant improvement over the original viewer, but AcidImage is still way better. The difference with this new version is when you start up Viewer it will only load the nine thumbnails that are displayed on the screen so you don't have to wait for all the images on the stick to load. But if you scroll up or down you have to wait for the next set to load so it is still somewhat slow. If you are already using AcidImage, don't bother wasting your time and memory. If you are still using only the Clie Viewer, then you will like it.

[hansschmucker]

pelaca, it seems your page is down =(

[hansschmucker]

OK, works again! Great job.

[n2ifp]

Originally posted by hafu
I installed the upgrade on My Japanese NX and it is a significant improvement over the original viewer, but AcidImage is still way better. The difference with this new version is when you start up Viewer it will only load the nine thumbnails that are displayed on the screen so you don't have to wait for all the images on the stick to load. But if you scroll up or down you have to wait for the next set to load so it is still somewhat slow. If you are already using AcidImage, don't bother wasting your time and memory. If you are still using only the Clie Viewer, then you will like it.

How is the integration with the other apps, like Clie Camera? Does it replace or are we still stuck with the old Clie Viewer?

[n2ifp]

Originally posted by pelaca
Some strings and alerts done...
You have to install all the files, not only the "CLIEViewer.prc" for take all the new features...
The refresh of the tumbnails are really improved...

Last Version (http://clienx_cf_modem.tripod.com/CLIEViewer/)

Hi Pelaca!

What did you do with the modem page? Did you move it, change it, or delete it?

I give out link previously and now some are confused.

Thanks in advance!

[mrbjg4]

Thanks for the info. I think I will stick with acid image.

[hafu]

Originally posted by n2ifp


How is the integration with the other apps, like Clie Camera? Does it replace or are we still stuck with the old Clie Viewer?

It completly replaces the old version. So if you launch Clie Viewer from Clie Camera you are launching the new version.

[OcellNuri]

Originally posted by hafu


It completly replaces the old version. So if you launch Clie Viewer from Clie Camera you are launching the new version.

That's where I see the main advantage. When I try to attatch pictures to e-mails in ClieMail, it is PAINFULL to wait for ClieViewer to load my 400+ pics one by one.

[hafu]

Originally posted by OcellNuri


That's where I see the main advantage. When I try to attatch pictures to e-mails in ClieMail, it is PAINFULL to wait for ClieViewer to load my 400+ pics one by one.

In that case it is worth the time and memory. I don't use Clie Mail so for Me it isn't worth it.

[n2ifp]

Originally posted by hafu


It completly replaces the old version. So if you launch Clie Viewer from Clie Camera you are launching the new version.

Very good :)!

Thank you!

[ilkera]

well, I wonder, If I install these files (from Pelaca's link) to Clie will they replace the old version in ROM ?
Or do we need another installer for this ?

[Selachii]

first) Hmm I have 2 ClieViewers now

second) it's not much faster, it works in a different manner

It reads all images first and indexes the, creating the empty grey squares. The images will start showing as fast/slow as b4, but the won't shift everything around. And (and this is 'the' benefit) it will load the thumbs of the pics in you screen first. So if you scroll down all the way at start, it will start loading they thumbnails there.
conclusion: it is better, but still not Splashphoto/Acid Image

Buttah, what should I do to really replace the previous viewer ?

[euroclie]

Originally posted by NXTacy
It puts itself in rom but needs to be reinstalled if you hard reset. Can't just restore it from a backup
(Didn't try the original file yet, nor the translation you kindly provide)

One question here: if the file is indeed in ROM, wouldn't it remain after a hard reset? I suppose if you wrote that the file is indeed in ROM, then the chances are close to zero for it to be in RAM with just the read-only flag set...
So I guess the file still appears in the ROM after a hard reset, but you need to re-install it because there are some additionnal drivers included in the installer that are not saved to ROM, right?

Did anyone test this patch after installing and enabling JackFlash FlashROM support? I wonder how the installer would deal with a nearly full ROM...

[hafu]

With the Japanese upgrade file the new Clie Viewer does not appear to be installed to rom. I can move the new Clie Viewer file to the ms with Clie Files but the icon remains on the clie. If I then tap the Viewer icon I get the old version with the butt dragging slow thumbnails. When I move the Viewer file back to the Clie the new version works again.

[NXTacy]

When I installed it on my Clie using their install not my version or Pelecas translated version it removed the version that was in Rom and placed itself there. It is marked in Filez and Palm RsrcEdit as Read Only ROM which it was. It will not let you remove the read only flag because it's rom. I tried it twice to make sure. I could copy it to the MS but I could not MOVE it. I also had the original on my MS and it would NOT let me copy that back to internal. Told me that space was already occupied which it was. That's why it has a 300k installer to put it there. It is curious that it isn't there after a hard reset.

The version Peleca made and the one I made is not in ROM.

[IB Michael]

Glad I read this. After "buying up" from NR to NX70 I thought I was doing some thing wrong with the NX's viewer. Alas...... I am redeemed....... re-sanctified.

[euroclie]

Originally posted by NXTacy
When I installed it on my Clie using their install not my version or Pelecas translated version it removed the version that was in Rom and placed itself there.
What exactly do you mean by "it removed the version that was in Rom and placed itself there"? Sorry to insist on this subject, but the prospect to have the ROM modified by the update is interesting enough for me to investigate this issue...

I guess there's no way to know the deep truth but to try that myself... ;)

It is marked in Filez and Palm RsrcEdit as Read Only ROM which it was. It will not let you remove the read only flag because it's rom. I tried it twice to make sure.
Funny. I just installed the Japanese installer file on my (US) NX70V, let it perform the required soft reset, and checked the Clie_viewer file in various programs (FileZ, RsrcEdit, McFile). Here's the result: in every program, I find the two files.

In FileZ:

old version: CLIE_Viewer (appl/mClp) 104399 bytes, this is a resource DB with "Read Only" and "Backup" flags set (the first one is no big deal, as the file is indeed in ROM). The file was created on 24/9/02.

new version: CLIE_Viewer (appl/mClp) 107262 bytes, this is a resource DB with no other flag set (i.e. it's not read-only), created on 4/3/03.

After further investigation, it seems that the installer puts the following files in RAM:

CLIE_Viewer
ExifRotator
MyClip_Content_Beam
MyClip_Content_Copy
MyClip_Content_Move
MyClip_Content_Remove
MyClip_Content_Send
MyClip_Content_SendClieMail
MyClip_JpegPlugin
MyClip_PgpfPlugin
PrintKun
StillApplet

All those files (except Clie Files) are marked as hidden but are definitely not read only, and they're in RAM, too.

That's why it has a 300k installer to put it there. It is curious that it isn't there after a hard reset.
As far as I know (from previous Sony patch files installers, and from my investigations with this one), the installer is just a program that bundles multiple .prc/.pdb files into one big file, and when you install the big file it will ask for a soft reset and from there create the individual files and delete itself from memory afterward. But the memory involved here is definitely RAM, not Flash ROM, unless my device behaves in an abnormal manner... ;)

After having a look at the installer file using PRCEdit, I confirm that it contains only the above mentionned files (split in two for the two files that are bigger than 64 Kb), and of course the code that extract the files from the installer.

Notice that the two flags bytes (starting at 0x20h offset in the installer file, just after the 32 bytes long file name) are 0161h, which means that the file is a resource database, is copy protected, hidden, and requires a soft reset after install (which is why you get the soft reset dialog upon hotsync completion).

So basically, the files are in RAM even if they could somehow get marked as "read only" (this sometimes happens, you can usually clear the "read only" attribute by rebooting with warm reset). You might have tried to clear the read-only flag on the old version of the file which resides in ROM (hence the failure). Or my NX could behave strangely (remember, I have already installed JackFlash and there's not much room left in Flash), and the installer may indeed install the files in FlashROM on your device, but in that case it's indeed strange that they do not show after a hard reset! ;)

If you managed to read this post to the end, congratulations, you've won a first grade geek rating! :D

[Selachii]

euroclie
If you managed to read this post to the end, congratulations, you've won a first grade geek rating


I was going to reply 'thanks' till I read that ;)

Anywayz, why am I showing 2 viewers in the launcher? Clie_viewer and viewer....one being the new, one being the old...should I rename the viewer prc(b4 installing) to the same as the old?
me si n00b at this, I don't want 2 viewers, 1 is bad enough

[pelaca]

Originally posted by n2ifp


Hi Pelaca!

What did you do with the modem page? Did you move it, change it, or delete it?

I give out link previously and now some are confused.

Thanks in advance!

Thanks for tell me about this... I correct it... TRIPOD is weird some times...

[NXTacy]

Now that I've looked at it, it's as you said Euroclie. Don't know why I didn't see that before. Think I was dumb that day.

[euroclie]

Originally posted by Selachii

Anywayz, why am I showing 2 viewers in the launcher? Clie_viewer and viewer....one being the new, one being the old...should I rename the viewer prc(b4 installing) to the same as the old?
Well, it all depends which viewer you are using.

With the built-in PalmOS launcher, the launcher detects that there is a newer version of the ROM application installed, and only displays the newer version icon in the apps list.

Using LauncherX, for instance, gives you two separate icons for the old and new versions, but this is not really a problem since you can create a hidden tab and put the old version there... (I have a "Palm" hidden tab where I put the ROM applications I don't use, like the default launcher, the calc, datebook (I use DateBk5), etc.)

Otherwise, there's not much you can do: changing the name will not change much the problem: the (old) version is in ROM and can't be deleted (until JackSprat is released, if ever, that is), so you have to keep the two versions along. Changing the installer file is plain useless, as the file itself will be deleted, you would have to change the name of the CLIE_Viewer file inside the installer, and even then, you'd notice that the two files have the same name already.

Hope this helps...

[davidy]

Thanks euroclie for the great step by step information of your investigation.

[LeggNet]

Hello all,

Pelaca, any progress on further translation of this app?

Cheers, Rich

[pelaca]

Originally posted by LeggNet
Hello all,

Pelaca, any progress on further translation of this app?

Cheers, Rich

The CLIE Viewer it's very close to be done, but I need some help with the translation...

http://www.cliesource.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=140362
http://www.cliesource.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=140364

[hafu]

Pelaca, here is your translation. You may have to change the wording a little to make it look more professional.

Talt 2000
title bar: "error"
text: "this application only works with Sony CLIE PDA"

Talt 1001
title bar: "system compatibility"
text: "you must have version 5.0 or higher to use this application"

tFRM 7500
title bar: "CLIE Viewer setup"
text: "each format setup"
upper button: "modify"
lower button: "close".

[pelaca]

Thanks hafu...

This is the translated version of CLIE Viewer 1.1

[pelaca]

ExifRotator 1.1 (Part of CLIE Viewer)
Please translate this resource

[hafu]

Pelica, I'm a little confused. Are there supposed to be links on your last two posts?

[ilkera]

yes ?
is there a final translated clie viewer ?

[pelaca]

mmm...

ok... try with THIS LINK (http://clienx_cf_modem.tripod.com/CLIEViewer/index.html)

The CLIE_Viewer.prc is done but I have to translate the other files...

[pelaca]

Originally posted by pelaca
ExifRotator 1.1 (Part of CLIE Viewer)
Please translate this resource

Any Japanese speaker can translate the previous image?

[X420ACTIONX]

so umm..should i install the jap version? or english version from pelaca which is considerably smaller file?

Again, will it install over the old one? or will i be stuck with 2 viewers? or should i just install acid?

[pelaca]

Originally posted by X420ACTIONX
so umm..should i install the jap version? or english version from pelaca which is considerably smaller file?

Again, will it install over the old one? or will i be stuck with 2 viewers? or should i just install acid?

This version is not finish... that's the reason because you have 2 icons... 1 from ROM and 1 from RAM...

[nx70]

Well I have AcidImage and ClieViewer 1.1. For if you use the ClieMail app or the camera it is useful and a bit more timesaving to have Clieviewer. If you need a long !quickview" on some attachments i.e. For real photo enjoyment take Acid. I ahve also tested SplashPhoto. But the file types are less than Acid and it doesn't support progressive pics..

[X420ACTIONX]

so i guess i should wait till the completed version is finished...hopefully PELACA will inform us

thanks

[hafu]

EfixRotator Talt1800

This one is a little too complicated for me to translate. It says something about skipping an image.

[pelaca]

Originally posted by hafu
EfixRotator Talt1800

This one is a little too complicated for me to translate. It says something about skipping an image.

Anyone can translate that picture? It's the last one for ExifRotator

[sheik28]

Pelaca I hope you don't mind, I posted the exif image on another website hoping for a translation. If you don't want that let me know I will take it down.

Great work that you guys are doin'!!!!:D

[franci miller]

Many thanks to Peleca!

[sheik28]

Pelaca this is the response I got when I posted that pic at another website. Hope this helps.

It says: The readout specific graphic image will be skipped

Good Luck and Great job you two!!

[pelaca]

Finished files

CLIE Viewer.prc
ExifRotator.prc
MyClip_Content_SendCLIEMail.prc
MyClip_Content_Remove.prc
MyClip_PgfPlugIn.prc

DOWNLOAD (http://clienx_cf_modem.tripod.com/CLIEViewer/)

[pelaca]

BEAM Talt03E8

[pelaca]

BEAM Talt044C

[Hyphen]

Just to let you the english version is now available from Sony Asia.

http://www.css.ap.sony.com/

[pelaca]

Originally posted by Hyphen
Just to let you the english version is now available from Sony Asia.

http://www.css.ap.sony.com/

Thanks a lot... Sony done the work...

[LeggNet]

Originally posted by pelaca


Thanks a lot... Sony done the work... I know that I speak for others as well as myself when I say "Thanks Pelaca, we still appreciate your work".

Cheers, Rich

[NXTacy]

Yah, Thanks, I was looking fwd to your version. I guess good practice for the next thing.

[X420ACTIONX]

is this sony update compatible with the u.s version, nx70v/u? even though the update is for nx70v/g and nx70v/h.

[pelaca]

Originally posted by X420ACTIONX
is this sony update compatible with the u.s version, nx70v/u? even though the update is for nx70v/g and nx70v/h.

yes, it is...

[X420ACTIONX]

A big thanks to everybody on this forum for keeping on top of great deals!! I just bout my card 2 days ago, and went straight back to Bestbuy to get the difference back onto my card. I would've paid $100 (after rebate) for this card. Incidently my local bestbuy was totally out of wifi cards...I guess word gets around :)

[X420ACTIONX]

oops wrong thread... lol

[ilkera]

well now we have Clie Viewer 1.1
thanks to Pelaca though...

Has anyone tried it with CF beta drivers ?
does it have any problems ?

and does it install to ROM or RAM ?