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Gekko
05-19-2005, 07:37 AM
David Pogue NY Times Review - Scary!

A New Spin on a Palmtop (or Inside It)
By DAVID POGUE
The new LifeDrive portable storage device from PalmOne has some great features, but is your life long enough to take advantage of them?

http://tech2.nytimes.com/2005/05/19/technology/circuits/19pogue.html

The most serious cause for pause, though, is the LifeDrive's unfortunate case of narcolepsy. To save power, the hard drive stops spinning between uses. That's fine. What's not so fine, however, is that it takes six seconds to spin up again and feed its data into the palmtop's memory so you can use it.

As a result, your work is frequently interrupted by maddening, six-second visits to the dead zone. Everything is frozen on the screen, no button works and your workflow comes to a crashing halt. There's no progress bar or "wait" cursor, either - only a little light at the top of the case tells you: "Please hold; your work is very important to us."

These lapses are particularly frequent just after you've turned on the LifeDrive for the very first time. Open the calendar: six seconds. Switch to Week view: six seconds. Open the address book: six seconds. Back to the Home screen: six seconds.

According to PalmOne, these lockouts should disappear over time. Once you've used a program or feature for the first time, it remains in memory, so that it appears instantaneously thereafter.

That may be true if you do nothing but cycle among the same three smallish programs all day. But on a device as ambitious as this one, nobody's going to use the same three functions forever. Sooner or later, you'll open some new program, switch to a new view or open something that's big enough to push out whatever's already in memory - and it's back to Lockjaw Land.

There's so much to love about the LifeDrive: its magnificent handling of pictures, music and movies; its two flavors of wireless; its auto-synching of PC files and folders; the accuracy and speed of its handwriting-recognition system; and, of course, the brilliance of the entire concept.

If you have the patience for those little six-second lapses, then this device could replace a laptop during many of your out-of-office experiences. Otherwise, though, try before you buy. If you're a busy person who hates to be put on hold, you'll be tempted to rename this palmtop the Life'sTooShortDrive.


(find courtesy of me2w)

Srcguy
05-19-2005, 07:47 AM
I understand this as a criticism as compared to other pda's, could be a pain...

But as compared to a laptop?!?!?! particularly a 329 quid laptop, doesn't hold the same concern. How long does it take to load microsoft word etc, heck, how long does it take to boot the thing up.

lmame
05-19-2005, 07:53 AM
I understand this as a criticism as compared to other pda's, could be a pain...

But as compared to a laptop?!?!?! particularly a 329 quid laptop, doesn't hold the same concern. How long does it take to load microsoft word etc, heck, how long does it take to boot the thing up.

The fact is Palm OS never had this kind of behaviour, why do you compare Windows to Palm OS or Word? A pda is not a laptop, what could be usual in a laptop is irrelevant in a PDA...

lmame
05-19-2005, 07:57 AM
Sorry, I did not read all post... I agree with you, a PDA can't be a laptop...

jean-roch
05-19-2005, 08:54 AM
but we ask them always more too...
I hope it'll work a little faster :/

The WB
05-19-2005, 09:19 PM
Sorry, I did not read all post... I agree with you, a PDA can't be a laptop...

PalmOne is trying.

Only time will tell.

Adrenochrome
05-20-2005, 06:06 AM
It's like there are two different reviewers out there: the ones who see constant, six-second delays, and the ones for whom all the delays disappear after the first loading. What's going on?

This is the kind of publicity P1 really, really doesn't want. I wonder how many sales that article cost them. But in a way, it serves them right. There should have been at least 32mb RAM that is dedicated to apps the way normal memory is. Don't use the cache for everything.

CroCo
05-20-2005, 06:36 AM
I was wondering how that harddrive was used, but now I seem to understand. EVERYTHING is stored on it until needed. Then it is copied to the internal RAM that serves as a cache. But how big is this RAM, 64MB? So, actually it should hold all your frequently used apps...at least my 32MB in my TH55 are enough for quite a lot of programs. And you guys are right, donīt compare palmOS with windows: a office-solution doesnīt have to be 500MB... especially on a PDA!
But Adrenochrome has a good point, in having 32 or 64 MB user-available RAM for programs would solve that 6sec. problem easily. Then the 4GIG of the harddrive could be used for data files and less frequently used apps. This would keep the OS as snappy as we are used to have it....and as we love it.
On the other hand, maybe this 6sec issue is really something everyone has to find out for himself. AND WHO does really frequently use more than 10 apps?
I use the following most frequently: address, calender, diddle bug, quicksheet, calc, calcul-8, audioplayer, memo, Bejeweled2 and FreeSol. Then sometimes eReader, Viewer and the Camera.
Thatīs 10 freequently used apps, and 3 apps that I donīt use so often, and for those I actually could wait 6 sec to start up-except for camera:)
And in the end, I think it is really funny, to see that most reviewers want a PERFECT device. I guess itīll take a few more years for the all in one laptoprelacement-PDA. And then someone will whine about it, that it has too many features... . I think often reviewers forget to ask themselfs, WHAT is the device meant to do, and does it handle these tasks good? The lifedrive is suppost to be a PDA with GOOD PIM functionality and the ability to hold a lot of media-data and display it. It does all that, as far as I can gather. There is no other such device on the market, so I guess the ones who need it, will be happy.

Adrenochrome
05-20-2005, 06:45 AM
At first I thought that the 32mb cache would be fine, since on my T2 I only have 32mb of space for apps as it is. Sure I'd like more, but I'd be willing to wait a few seconds for my rarely-used apps to load.

But... Everything, including music, gets cached in there when you use it as well. If I listen to music on my commute into work, have I wiped out all the apps that were cached? Will I have to wait the 6 seconds for them to load in again?

I really hope someone comes up with a way to use an SD card for app storage.

GadgetGuru
05-20-2005, 07:07 AM
Problem is that a hard drive partition was used as memory. So unless its in cache, any app will have to be copied from hard disk partition (or from SD card) to another partition and then to the cache where it is executed... If only you can go straight from SD card to the cache, then the 6-second wait would be sixx but lower...

Adrenochrome
05-20-2005, 07:14 AM
Problem is that a hard drive partition was used as memory. So unless its in cache, any app will have to be copied from hard disk partition (or from SD card) to another partition and then to the cache where it is executed... If only you can go straight from SD card to the cache, then the 6-second wait would be sixx but lower...
I wasn't clear.

I meant that instead of storing apps on the HD and loading them into the cache when needed, it would seem like a good idea to rework the system so that apps are stored on the SD card and loaded into the cache from there. No HD involvement at all.

I have no idea if it's possible, but if they can be loaded in from an HD, why not an SD?

madmaxmedia
05-20-2005, 12:01 PM
And in the end, I think it is really funny, to see that most reviewers want a PERFECT device.

Or they just want it to work as well and be as responsive as a cheaper Palm...

Sid
05-20-2005, 03:47 PM
Or they just want it to work as well and be as responsive as a cheaper Palm...
Come on now, what do you want for $499.00? :D

timepilot84
05-20-2005, 04:39 PM
Got mine yesterday. Sometimes 2-3 second delays the first time I fire up an app, after the first time, it fires up with no delay at all. The only problem that I've seen with the delays during use were with Bejewelled, when I'd get a new graphic (ie Bonus!, No More Matches, etc). Once the graphic loaded once, no more delays.

I think a lot of these reviews were on Beta software. I'm not seeing any of these annoying delays that people are harping about.

GadgetGuru
05-20-2005, 06:47 PM
There's delay in the game Bejewelled? I mean in-game? I expect, that the device will function as before when the game is already loaded to cache... so what is the Lifedrive doing when it is loading those Bonus and No more Matches screens (those should already be in cache, wouldn't it)?

prayer4eev
05-20-2005, 07:04 PM
GadgetGuru
u r right! palmos should load whole app into memory