Poll: Xbox 360 or PlayStation 3?

[Reggie]

Ok, after the announcement of PlayStation 3 last night, I thought of creating a poll.

[LupeValenz]

Stay out of my home Microsloft! Come on in Sony :D. Like no Other ^_^.

[Bionic Antboy]

I'm in no rush to be an early adopter. The specs for BOTH are awesome, but until I get to play and finish Halo 3 on the original Xbox (since apparently there's no Halo for X360), I'm gonna wait.

Whichever has the best "media integration" is probably gonna win out, because it'll be the GFs decision as much as mine. Hence my vote for "Whatever" :D

[Homie S]

Screw Microsoft's lousy Windows Media Center shenanigans.

Playstation 3 all the way. I mean, Sony doesn't rank that much higher on my list of companies I like due to their customer service/quality/etc, but I really don't need that microsoft crap.

Bluetooth controllers? Threw me a curve, that sounds awesome. Wireless AND bluetooth, gnarly.

[JackAxe]

Where's the Revolution?!!! :mad: :(

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[JAmerican]

Revolution is right. This is when Nintendo notices that it no longer can compete with the best and should just fall like SEGA. As for the best system, Playstation 3. Finally, my 3 MS and bro's 1 MS Duo will become handy when I get a SD device. :)

JAmerican

[zackepceo]

I am venturing into the wind here with this (how's that for a colloquial statement for you? and that..), but I am going to buy a PS3 first just to have Blu-Ray DVD playback. I can stick the ugly thing into a paper bag, as long as it will do 720p justice.

[seraphim_9:11]

the revolution is delayed ... XBOX will probably have backward compatibility issues ... I am planning on getting myself the PS3 ... it even supports dual screen if you have a PSP ... also support blu-ray DVD ....
Besides - the PS3 is an aesthetic delight to look at :)

[RichieRichDolla]

I want both. I will get xbox360 first since I am on Xboxlive already,plus it comes out first.

[JackAxe]

Revolution is right. This is when Nintendo notices that it no longer can compete with the best and should just fall like SEGA. As for the best system, Playstation 3. Finally, my 3 MS and bro's 1 MS Duo will become handy when I get a SD device. :)

JAmerican


Errr. Sega lives on.. It's called the XBox. Or 800 pound Dreamcast 2 :p

So are you saying that the games you like, are better than the type of games I like? ;)

Funny, I didn't see any PSP at the theater yesterday, but there were plenty of "Nintendo" DSs and GBAs. Now who dominates the handheld market... Not Sony. :) Maybe Sony should fall back from the Handheld market. It's not going to happen, the same is true for Nintendo and the console arena, since they still produce the most enjoyable console games IMO.

There's plenty of room for Nintendo and Sony to coexist. Nintendo is the only variation in a sea of blah, which is sooo prominate on the PS2 and Xbox.

But I like the PS3, so I'll buy one to use as a stand for my Revolution. :)

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[lmame]

I guess both of them... As usual there will be some interesting games on Xbox 360° and a lot more on PS3...
The good thing is that there are 6 months between their respectiv launches... So I can save money for both of them :D

I saw that on Xbox 360° there will be... DOA Extreme Volleyball 2... So definitly I will have the 360 ° :p

[JackAxe]

Why would you spend your money on a Media Center? Just buy a true game machine, the PS3. :D

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[Karim]

PS3 is about as "true" of a "game machine" as X360, lol. The True Game Machine would be Revolution.

[MrNako]

Revolution is right. This is when Nintendo notices that it no longer can compete with the best and should just fall like SEGA. As for the best system, Playstation 3. Finally, my 3 MS and bro's 1 MS Duo will become handy when I get a SD device. :)

JAmerican

Sega had been always ahead everybody else. Its GameGear was way better than the GameBoy, Genesis better than SNES, Dreamcast better than PS and N64, etc.

I wonder why they quit. :(

[zackepceo]

Sega had been always ahead everybody else. Its GameGear was way better than the GameBoy, Genesis better than SNES, Dreamcast better than PS and N64, etc.

I wonder why they quit. :(
The Genesis could actually display *less* colours on-screen than the SNES, and the SNES had the ability to have a faster processor on the cart.. but that's not the point.

[Homie S]

Errr. Sega lives on.. It's called the XBox. Or 800 pound Dreamcast 2 :p

So are you saying that the games you like, are better than the type of games I like? ;)

Funny, I didn't see any PSP at the theater yesterday, but there were plenty of "Nintendo" DSs and GBAs. Now who dominates the handheld market... Not Sony. :) Maybe Sony should fall back from the Handheld market. It's not going to happen, the same is true for Nintendo and the console arena, since they still produce the most enjoyable console games IMO.


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This is about consoles, not about handhelds. Those really have nothing to do with the upcoming releases of the 3 next-gen consoles. Yes, we know nintendo rules the handheld market, yes, we know Sony (almost) rules the console market. Why all of this sudden talk of PSPs and GBAs and DS handhelds?

[JackAxe]

Hey, when someone (Who could this be... :)) makes a comment that basically implies Nintendo should just go away, as if they're somehow doing poorly, it's good to point out one of Nintendo's many cash cows that only ensures they'll be in the console race for a very long time, even if they don't appeal to the average "US GTA peep;" This is why I brought it up.

Even though Ninendo's and Sony's portables are not consoles, they do play a part in the console area as a smart controller. The GBA does this now, since it can be partnered with a GC to enhance some of my games. The Revolution will support this option with the DS, and I recall reading that the PSP will work with the PS3 in a similar fasion, or was this the PS2? Anyways, I'm just trying to point out that there is a clear bridge between two areas of gaming.

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[Homie S]

Hey, when someone (Who could this be... :)) makes a comment that basically implies Nintendo should just go away, as if they're somehow doing poorly, it's good to point out one of Nintendo's many cash cows that only ensures they'll be in the console race for a very long time, even if they don't appeal to the average "US GTA peep;" This is why I brought it up.


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No, it's about why everyone has a hissy fit when people bash other systems and can't get over the fact that it will always happen look beyond it but INSTEAD feel the need to come out and whine about WELL SONYS BAD AT THIS or XBOX SUCKS AT THAT THING or NINTENDO HAS THE WORST GAMES EVER!!!. Hey, you've come back and sucessfully defended a gaming system, you're a winner! Five points for gryffindor! :rolleyes:

[Ezikial Anta]

I award you no points for a Harry Potter refference, and may god have mercy on your soul.

A simple no would have worked.

^_^ Actually, i liked one of those harry potter books... not sure of which one though...

[JackAxe]

No, it's about why everyone has a hissy fit when people bash other systems and can't get over the fact that it will always happen look beyond it but INSTEAD feel the need to come out and whine about WELL SONYS BAD AT THIS or XBOX SUCKS AT THAT THING or NINTENDO HAS THE WORST GAMES EVER!!!. Hey, you've come back and sucessfully defended a gaming system, you're a winner! Five points for gryffindor! :rolleyes:

Yeah, your right! Bleh. And unlike Ezikial, I didn't have a clue about who gryffindor was.

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[volcanopele]

I've been quite happy with my Xbox. What games I do want to get that were out for the PS2, particularly the GTA games, usually come to the Xbox looking much better anyway. For XBox 360, I am particularly interested in Oblivion. However, I doubt, given the price of either system, I would be an early adopter.

[JackAxe]

Read about some of the past BS that Sony and MS spewed out about their XBox and PS2.

http://money.cnn.com/2005/05/26/commentary/game_over/column_gaming/index.htm

Nintendo always lives up to their hype for me, since they never really promise anything. :o

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[Bionic Antboy]

I'm in no rush, either way. I don't have any major desire to be an early adopter of either system, and probably won't upgrade until late 2006 at the earliest, unless one of them does something REALLY cool (in the real world).

[Pdaman]

Ps3 for me! Xbox 360 could be good also but i'm more on sony side...

[zackepceo]

Sony has pretty much hammered home the point that the PS3 is going to be anywhere from expensive to insanely expensive. I think this will drive more people to the Revolution and the 360, more than create a sense of brand loyalty.

[JackAxe]

At least they're honest about one thing. ;)

You've probably already encountered this, but the feed back from the developers about the Sony and MS boxes, are that you get what you pay for, and that the CPUs are underpowered and the GPU for at least the X360 is closer to the current lineup. These systems are quite week when compared to a PC when loaded with the hardware goodies for games. So as usuall, just more E3 hype which most peeps will naively consume.

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[zackepceo]

I think that a majour loss was had when MS and Sony went for chips with no out-of-order instruction support. AI calculations and realistic physics probably would have worked much better with the normal processor design. Then again, Nintendo hasn't formally announced their specs, so there might be hope yet.

[JackAxe]

I can only hope, if not, at least their console will be affordable.

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[RichieFarmer]

I was leaning towards the PS3, but more and more recently I've been thinking about going with the Xbox.

[JackAxe]

I'm going with the Revolution and seriously getting another Playstation. I'm passing on the media center.

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[Sideway]

I'll buy whichever console releases the 1st exclusive title I want to play. I mean you can only drool on the specs for so long. But after that it's all about the games.

Based on that, I'll prob get a PS3 and then a Revolution some time afterwards.

[RichieFarmer]

I'll buy whichever console releases the 1st exclusive title I want to play. I mean you can only drool on the specs for so long. But after that it's all about the games.

Based on that, I'll prob get a PS3 and then a Revolution some time afterwards.

That's a good call. I hadn't really thought about that.

[BoxWave]

Of course both sides would boast they have the most awesome system ever, but I also agree that it will be determined by what games come out first. I mean, who can admit that they bought an Xbox just to play Halo or Halo 2? ;)

[JackAxe]

Not me, of course I've never bought a Xbox. But I have played Halo quite a bit on the beast, and did buy it for my PC. Descent FPS, way too easy with a mouse and keyboard though.

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[Ezikial Anta]

Annalysts are now giving 2007 for Sony's PS3 launch.
Check it out, yo.
http://www.engadget.com/entry/1234000587053095/
This seems to further that idea
http://www.engadget.com/entry/1234000577053229/
If they ARE going to lisence, chances are slim they'll be able to hit that Spring '06 date.
What does this hold for Revolution? We don't even have a clue about the unit yet!

[JackAxe]

Here's another link;
http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20050804-5170.html

That would be something if OS X were made available for the PS3. Then I could pick one up for a inexpensive encoding solution.

Hype leads to BS. Nintendo is good at avoiding this and turning out a fun and profitable console.

Here's a rumor about the Revolution's specs; (If these are true, then it will have some kick for its size. )
http://www.engadget.com/entry/1234000100046549/

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[RichieFarmer]

Spring 2006 to 2007 seems like a long delay

[Ezikial Anta]

Yeah. It IS a long delay, but Sony could do it. Sales from the slim PS2 dropping to $99 dollars could forward development on the PS3 and blow MS away once the PS3 finishes.

[T-Man]

I cant beleive I didnt see this thread before!


I feel betrayed...:( I, personally, also hate M$. BUT, I love the Xbox's, and I'll never be able to go w/out the Halo series...Anyone else here have Xbox Live???

<T-Man gives a weak smile as he hopes someone else has a Gamertag, but still feels betrayed...>

[dragonsgames]

I will get the PS3, it would be awsome if it ran Tiger :D

[T-Man]

<T-Man is now looking at everyone who's said 'PS3' with squinted, evil eyes, including himself> :P X360 better

[dragonsgames]

X360 better

We will see. Sony has more time to work on the PS3

[T-Man]

PLUS! The 360's OS is under 3MBs :P

[dragonsgames]

:P

I think you mean : D

[T-Man]

Well, that too. I wonder how large the PS3 OS is???

[dragonsgames]

Well, that too. I wonder how large the PS3 OS is???
Hopefully as large as Mac OS 10 Tiger :D
(And be Tiger, just not the same size)

[T-Man]

Tiger could work under the 360, too

[dragonsgames]

Tiger could work under the 360, too
With a hack. Like Bill would run Mac OS 10 on a Microsoft product.

[T-Man]

Oh, I forgot about Bill....<squinted, evil eyes again>

[zackepceo]

Why would Apple let Sony run OS X? It makes no sense. Apple is moving away from the PPC world, and it does them no good to have them associated with the PS3.. the whole PS3 image isn't a very Apple-ish thing. Now, if Apple were to partner with Nintendo for something, that wouldn't be surprising.

[dragonsgames]

Nintendo Revolution isn't even in the poll. Wonder what is up with Nintendo?

[T-Man]

I hate the Gamecube...

[dragonsgames]

I hate the Gamecube...

It was a big disappointment.

[T-Man]

I (unfortanetely...) have to say I kinda like the design of the Revo. But I'd bet my new PowerBook I'd never play one.

[T-Man]

Nintendo Revolution isn't even in the poll. Wonder what is up with Nintendo?

Its the whatever :D

[JackAxe]

Curse yE ALLLL!!! :p

I love my GameCube! It's the only console that really has anything worth playing IMO. "A big--dissapointment was Halo 2." I prefer quality!!! Tis why I own serveral Macintoshes, 2 of them being Powerbooks, and of course Nintendo's fun loving game systems. I can't understand why anyone would truly hate the GC, unless it somehow caused bodily harm while they were sucking on it, or maybe it's just un-cool to own a "kiddy" machine, :rolleyes: which is load of bull, since all game consoles are for our "inner-child," and most of these games now days are quite juvenile.

Here in the US, MS pretty much bought the media's biased, and even when the Xbox was doing "quite-poorly," the media was still spewing out their love for it just to keep the money rolling in from MS. Anyways, good for them! So now several years later, MS has pulled ahead of the GameCube, but at about a $billion in losses. Sony and Nintendo earned their market shares, and have both made a profit while doing so. And of course now we have polls that are clearly biased, and categorize the Revolution under "whateiver," and that's only an assumption, but it's the only one that makes sense.

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[Ezikial Anta]

Yeah man. Nintendo is getting the short end of the stick everywhere- Look at the game pages like IGN and Gamespot, Revolution doesnt even have a page yet PS3 and 360 do?
Xbox360 wont launch this year, and PS3 untill '07, I mean come on, there has only been 1 single picture of a 360 in the wild.

[JackAxe]

I guess they're afraid of being un-cool, and being a conformist is a requirement for some of these peeps.

I was hoping that the only reason the Rev isn't getting that much play, is because Nintendo still hasn't officially announced their machines specs or final design. So hopefully when that does come to past, some of the "better" mags will cover it. But that's probably wishfull thinking on my part.

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[Ezikial Anta]

They will have to cover it, if they want to keep up in the gaming world.
DS sales shows Nintendo is very very far from dead.

[JackAxe]

Yep, the DS and the roughly 130 Million GBA owners. It's pretty much here in the US, where marketing has gotten the best of pliable minds. Nintendo is like Apple, they'll be around period, and even when they do well, peeps will just ignore it as if it's not happening. Kind of a defect in us all. Willing ignorance, and complete denial of the facts, even when placed directly in front of them.

Money buys sheep.

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[T-Man]

@Ezikial: There isnt just one pic of the 360, go to xbox360.com

I've seen less pics of the PS3

[T-Man]

@JackAxe: Halo 2 could be a dissapointment, but have you tried LAN parties or Xbox LIVE? If its got any dissapointment, it makes it up in multiplayer, especially online

[Ezikial Anta]

@Ezikial: There isnt just one pic of the 360, go to xbox360.com

I've seen less pics of the PS3
Of course there are many pictures of the device, I meant in the wild, like users and people testing the devices. There are very few, I think maybe 3 at most, and all of that one kid.

[T-Man]

Oh, ok. Yeah, I only saw like one of those types of pics. I havent seen any of the PS3 though...

[JackAxe]

Halo 2 was nothing new, so the multiplay, which me and my friends had enjoyed with the first one lost its charm. And as I've rambled about a few times in this forum, I personally can not stan analogue-thumb sticks for aiming, I only tolerate it. It's absolutely tedious and inefficient when compared to a mouse or even the DS's stylus for a FPS.

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[T-Man]

I dont think I could ever use a mouse for a game. I need the XB controlers

[dragonsgames]

I dont think I could ever use a mouse for a game. I need the XB controlers

You use XB controlers on your Vaio? ;)

I think he means to use on your computer version :D

[JackAxe]

My friend converted a couple of XBox controlers to USB for he and his weef. :)

FPS controls took a huge step backwards to accommodate limitation of console controllers. The mouse + keyboard combo are just a better way to play these types of games. I saw some adapters that will allow a keyboard and mouse to be plugged into a XBox, I'm not sure how one would assign the keys and adjust the mouse senstivity though?

Anyways, I like the a-stick for for 3D platformers; Just not for aiming. ;)

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[T-Man]

Oh, no, I use XBControlers on my XBox :D I dont think its that hard though to make them USB, you just need a USB cable and to match the colors of the wires :)

[JackAxe]

My friend is a tard, and he figured it out. :)

Thumb-aiming is EVIL! :p

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[Ezikial Anta]

Ewwwwwwwwwwwww WHY!? Why oh why would he do that!?!?!?!?! :( that makes me sad.

[T-Man]

^^^Huh?

Anyway, guess what! :) I'll be able to use my LifeDrive or any handheld as a mass storage device with the 360!!! Look: :p (http://www.engadget.com/entry/1234000160053514/)

[JackAxe]

And you'll also have a Microsoft media center festering somewhere in your house, probably consuming the very essence of all life into its EVIL presence, and as the great Zack just posted; Ewwwwwwwwwwwww WHY!? :D :p

My friend likes how the XBox controller feels. Just personal pref I guess.

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[Ezikial Anta]

^^^Huh?

Anyway, guess what! :) I'll be able to use my LifeDrive or any handheld as a mass storage device with the 360!!! Look: :p (http://www.engadget.com/entry/1234000160053514/)
Was reffering to the thumb aiming.
(Ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww!!!!)

[Ezikial Anta]

And you'll also have a Microsoft media center festering somewhere in your house, probably consuming the very essence of all life into its EVIL presence, and as the great Zack just posted; Ewwwwwwwwwwwww WHY!? :D :p

My friend likes how the XBox controller feels. Just personal pref I guess.

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That was me!
/me stands up and says his name :D :cool:

[zackepceo]

Yeah, that wasn't me. Although I have to say that Metroid Prime would be MUCH harder if it didn't have the lock-on targeting. It's horrible to aim with sticks.

[JackAxe]

I sooo agree. The lock on feature was the only reason I managed to play it and enjoyed it. I wasn't consumed with the pain in my thumb, and general frustration that is brought on by that type of control's limitataions. :) I'm pretty sure if they hadn't included the lock on, I would never finished it, but I'm glad they did, because the game was one of my favorites.

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[JackAxe]

Oh, I still needs to beeees playing MP2. I bought it the week it came out, but have yet to sit down with it. :)

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[Ezikial Anta]

Number 3 on Revolution appears to be graphically in-line with the PS3 and 360, according to IGN who had a chance to talk to the developers (And I guess view footage?)
MP's are AWESOME. I love MP... I didnt get 2, but I probably will. That and Kirby Canvas.

{Offffffffff topic!}
New Treo, please come soon. My Nokia 3300 is gettin' old, that upgrade bug is'a itchin, and I get my rebate for a new phone in SEPTEMBER (Oh, how long do those deals last?)! Come on P1, dont disapoint!

[abid786]

I want both. I will get xbox360 first since I am on Xboxlive already,plus it comes out first.
Isnt Xbox live supposed to be free with the Xbox 360.

[BoxWave]

Isnt Xbox live supposed to be free with the Xbox 360.

Xbox Live Silver comes with Xbox 360, which only lets you chat and download demos, new game trailers, game upgrades, but no online multiplayer. Xbox Live Gold (I assume by subscription) let's you join the online multiplayer action.

[T-Man]

Yuo've got it Boxwave ;) :)

[JackAxe]

As the pestilence X360 festers in the corner, its slimy tentacles reach into your pocket book, stealing your hard earned cash.

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[T-Man]

...so you get a wonderful, next-gen console, the best of the best :)

[JackAxe]

Yep, I plan on getting a Revolution for sure, and even a Playstation once again. In other words, game systems of the non-festering type. :p

Hey, if the X360 weren't a Microsoft PC, and they hadn't flagged it as a Media Center, I would probaly still want one. I was keen to the idea of buying a game console based on the G5 (Really really week version of it.) :)

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[Karim]

They're all based on G5, lol. Anyway, I don't see why everyone's so dead-set on trashing X360. Most of you doing that will probably be the ones I see in 5 or 6 months on Xbox Live losing to me in Gears of War.

"Always in my line of FIRE!!"

[Ezikial Anta]

Nah, I will never get one. Never bought a regular Xbox, and I still feel 0 urge to get the new one. It's just something I dont want to support.

[T-Man]

Plus, the 360 will be white, it'd look good next to an iMac/iBook :)

[JackAxe]

You know, a white Dell doesn't look good next to anything, especially when it's festering. :)

Honestly, it was the CPU that interested me, definately not the games. I do not own an Xbox, and won't even buy one to mod. I'm an environmentalist, and couldn't willingly buy something that is made out of 2 tons of plastic. :)

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[T-Man]

Let me just say this, if Apple makes a game console and good games, I'll ditch the Xbox forever(unless I want to play Halo 2 of course :))

Timm

[JackAxe]

Speaking of Halo 2. What kind of crap is "too be continued?" :p

I'm pretty sure Apple will be successful at what MS wants soooo badily, and that's to be a media center, but for games, I'm not sure if Apple really wants to go that route. But speaking of Halo, Bungie will always be a Mac game company in my opinion. I have a theory that Halo2 was just bleh, because it wasn't developed first for the Mac, like Halo.

Buy a GameCube with Metroid Prime. For single player, it makes Halo look like uber-repetitive-crap, and just another FPS. It was fun uber-repetitive-crap, but still, if you get past the N64--GoldenEye--level--of--multiplay, it's just uber-repetitive-crap. :D

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[T-Man]

Hate GameCube! I know, I doubt Apple will go into games, but I was just saying that if they did, I'd play on an Apple console. the Halo series is and always will be the best FPS I'll ever play. BTW, H2 isnnt even out on the PC yet(if ever) so why you saying its bleh. Just because its on the XBox and nothing else right now?

Timm

[JackAxe]

Now you know how I feel about the Xbox. But even though I hate it, I'm not going to let that stop me from playing a good game like the repetive Halo. I'm just not going to buy one, and mainly because the overall selection of XBox games sucks big time IMO. The good games that it does have are available for other systems, so unless I wanted MS to loose more money, I'm not going to buy one. Now if the Xbox had more exclusive titles of a better quality, that I couldn't get for my comps or other game systems, I would be more likely to pick one up.

Halo2 will be available for the PC, but it was such a let down on the Xbox, that I won't be buying a copy this time around for either the Mac or PC. And I say it's "bleh," because that's how it plays on the XBox. Like I said, it lost its charm. The first Halo was fun because of multi-play and more importantly "cooperative" mode. Now if you take away the co-op play from the first Halo, chances are that the XBox would've ended up in the bargain bin years ago. That right there was the only reason I and my friends played it. Now Golden Eye for the Nintendo 64 didn't have co-op play, but its multiplayer mode was just as much fun, even without the vehicles and as a stand alone FPS it was truly better than Halo IMO. Halo was like running in circles after a while. And that got old, but since it was the first co-op game, It was worth playing til the end.

Halo is a great FPS, but it's certainly not my favorite. But It does carry Bungie's charm, the all-mighty creators of Marathon. *AhHHhhhhh*

So, what exactly do you hate about the GameCube? :)

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[T-Man]

co-op was really the only reason Halo was fun. H2's is OK, but it makes that up in multiplayer (IMO, and I wish in everyone elses)

Hmm, what do I not like about the GC? Hmm...thats a hard one..oh, wait. It plays games, and is a cube, wow! Thats its name! (All that was starcastic, I hope you know...) The name 'PlayStation' is more innovative than that, but XBox is even more. The Revolution wont even be that much of a Revolution from the cube that plays games. Plus the game playing cube is ugly, the white PS2 looks better, but the 360 is better than all of them...

[JackAxe]

So if I'm following you, you don't like it, because it's ugly and only plays games?

Well. the Xbox is quite ugly and plays games. The PS2 has a descent design and it also plays gamses. I personally like the N64 the best when it comes to looks, it makes all the rest, included the newer consoles look even uglier. The X360 looks like a cheeseball PC clone with Dell influence. WTF was MS thinking? It will probably be made out of that same Dell plastic. You know, that really "cheap" cost-cutting-plastic that crunches when moved and sounds like it's about to break like thin ice.

BTW, from what developers are saying about the newer systems(X360, PS3) not only are they "not" living up to their hype, but they're really not that big of a step above the current consoles. The Peeps at E3 were even saying that Resident Evil 4 on the GameCube looked just as good as all the X360 games that were premiered.

So why else don't you like the GameCube. :)

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[T-Man]

^^^Ahh, you got me there :D I still dont like the GC... I really dont like Nintendo...

[Karim]

Foolish mortals.

[JackAxe]

But how can you hate this? (http://internal.tbi.net/~max/zretro.htm) :eek:

I was a hard core Sega boy when I was younger. :)

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[T-Man]

^^^I wasnt around that long :D But I do like the music :)

@Karim: Why, you immortal ;)

Timm

[T-Man]

Any way i can extract the music or get a copy??? I really like it :)

Timm

[JackAxe]

Because he takes Rogaine, it caused immortality in hair. :)

Ye should pick up a DS and Zelda the Minnish Cap. It will give you a quick taste of a fun "old" school games, and don't forget Link to the Past for GBA. There's more to gaming than the low-poly blurred textured crap that is so previlent on game consoles.

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[dragonsgames]

Any way i can extract the music or get a copy???

The URL to the song is http://internal.tbi.net/~max/theme2.mid

Right click-> Download linked file on that link

[T-Man]

I dont like the DS either... I never really liked Nintendo. Its funny when I see kids playing something on a DS when my lifeDrive is in my pocket and could play the game they have and hundreds more without carrying game slot things or whatever...

[T-Man]

Thanks DragonsGames :)

[dragonsgames]

Yes, the DS is very big. Think they would have downloadable games onto a SD card to play them now.

[zackepceo]

Games on PDAs have never been comparable to games on consoles, even if they are emulated perfectly. There is definately a different feel to playing the actual console as opposed to playing an emulated version of a game. The production values on console games are much better than anything on the Palm OS, anyway. I don't consider my Treo a serious gaming device like I do my DS.

[T-Man]

^^^You've got a point there, but I've never really liked handheld 'consoles' and would rather play something on my LD or mt Xbox, or even a cellphone

[JackAxe]

Man T-Man, you're weird. :p PDA games, now why don't I like a majority of them.... Oh, because they SUCK, and it's mainly because of the lack of controls and non-dedicated game hardware.

And cellphone games, are you joking? They're getting better, but because of the phone's current button layouts, they're only slightly better than a PDA game. It's going to a few more years before dedicated game phones are common place.

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[T-Man]

I've always been weird :D I just dont like handheld game 'consoles' and Nintendo, I would rather play something on my LifeDrive than a DS

[JackAxe]

If it's what you like, then cool.

I'll just be over here enjoying my DS though, because it is a dedicated game portable, which in turn gives me a greater choice of games. :) :p

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[T-Man]

Yeah... :P

[JackAxe]

If you want ot play your current Xbox games (Well, the couple that MS deems worthy.) on the X360, you'll need to "pay" more for the HDD option. Hmmm, $399 for a media-center that "masquerades" as a game console, can't deliver what MS is promising according to the developers, and doesn't offer "true" backwards compatibility sounds like a real winner to me. :p

*Microsoft... We bought our market share.*

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[T-Man]

*cough, cough* :o heh

[JackAxe]

Ha, I was wondering where you were. So how much are you going to pay for your 3x60? :)

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[T-Man]

I Dont Know! :d

[JackAxe]

Just hold off about 6 months. I'm sure that MS will be forced to drop its price because of poor sales and the PS3's stellar launch success. :D :p

You know me, I'll be buying a Revolution first. It will be very affordable in comparison. :)

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[T-Man]

(Starts to feel si---nope, already puked...)

[JackAxe]

Lick it up. :D

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[JackAxe]

Hey T-Man. So you save your money for a X360 with HDD, now you go out to buy a game, what will you do when a majority of the games for that system are rated mature only? :p

Not that I'm mature, but there seems to be a trend towards these types of games now days. :)

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[T-Man]

('Accidently' gets a piece of homewrok paper, and starts to 'scrape' it to the side...)I needed that! NOW CLEAN IT!!

@Games: Eh...Halo(2) all I need :)

[T-Man]

And where is Master! Cretere needs cleaning! And his homework too! ([picture]Angry Cretere {me} sitting on computer chair with arms crossed and look on face. Oh, and puke most everywhere.[/end picture]) MASTER!

[JackAxe]

Then the XBox is all ye need. No needs to be moving the 0bXo6x3 0.

So does Master Chef make good pancakes? :)

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[T-Man]

Eh....I hate pancakes, waffels ok, bagels better. :)

[dragonsgames]

I missed a lot of T-Man and his XBox 360 that doesn't play games ;)
It is like the Sirius portable radio players that aren't portable radio players :p

[JackAxe]

But even worst, because it runs Windows. :p

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[T-Man]

Eh....

Master, clean me. I'm still covered, and its drying. I'm waiting!!! :)

[JackAxe]

Master uses a Celeron Dell running XP home edition. :p

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[dragonsgames]

Who is master :D

Why would the master clean you? Wouldn't you clean the master? :confused: :D

[T-Man]

Um, I've done 'nough for Master. And if Master thinks, even thinks, he can use
DELL, bye bye Master. :) :D

[dragonsgames]

Who is master? You stupid XBox? Break free! Buy a GameCube or PS2! :D

[JackAxe]

Master is the guy that's really popular on that "Windows" based Media center. You know, the XBox. :)

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[T-Man]

Cretere has become like JackAxe, and pukes with the speak of Windows....who is cleaning me? Master has no soul.... :D

[JackAxe]

Windows user!!! :p I would vomit everyday if I had a XBox taking up 73% of my living quarters.

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[poissonsouriant]

Windows user!!! :p I would vomit everyday if I had a XBox taking up 73% of my living quarters.

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Apparently JackAxe lives in a hatbox. :D

The Revolution will own the 360 and the PS3.
http://www.student.gsu.edu/~abearden2/owned-cat.jpg

[dragonsgames]

Is that Jack's cat?

[poissonsouriant]

No, the cat represents XBox 360 and PS3. The man swinging the cat is Nintendo, which is totally "owning" the cat.

[dragonsgames]

The cat is as ugly as the 360 and PS3 :p

[Jayman]

I will also get the PS3 first ... I have never been much of an xbox fan ... However I do own a game cube and actually like it.

[pgenie]

Playstation III --------- FIFA 2006 --- Goooooooaaaaaaal!!!

[T-Man]

Halo 2!!! 365 days old yesterday :) (http://bungie.net/News/TopStory.aspx?story=h2anniversary&p=5312619)

[JackAxe]

Excuse me while I yawn... *yawn* :p

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[tofupalm]

I've seen Japanese previews of the Revolution. Supposedly, the Revolution will have a controller that's like a remote. It's just a D-pad and the standard buttons. Also, you can attach an analog controller, so you can have one hand for a gun, and one hand for a flashlight (yes, it is wireless). That's all I could really see or understand, so please, don't inquire about anything else. And to stay on topic, I'm going to get the Revolution (because I can afford it), wait a few years, and try to buy a PS3.

[poissonsouriant]

The controller can sense his position in 3D space. It can sense where at the screen you point it. It also has sensors that can sense when it's tilted.

Imagine playing an first-person shooter, where you aim the gun simply by pointing at the screen where you want to shoot. Imagine RPGs or strategy games where you can navigate through menus with point and click accuracy. These are just a few of the possibilities.

Nintendo will also have attachments that connect through a proprietary connector on the bottom of the controller. There is the analog attachment (called the nunchaku), which adds an analog stick and two trigger buttons. There will also be the classic controller shell, which is supposed to look somewhat like a Gamecube controller and will allow you to play classic games as well as multiplatform games. However, when the remote controller is inserted into the shell, it retains the tilt-sensing and motion detecting features which can then be implemented into the game.

It's not just a remote.

[JackAxe]

Give me my Zelda Hilt controller and I'll be one happy camper swing it around like a maniac. I hope they'll offer a shield attachment also. :)

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[T-Man]

Though theres no Halo on Nintendo, is there. ;)

X360 in one day! :)

[JackAxe]

Nintendo has something way better IMO; Metroid Prime/Fusion. :p

Halo multiplay-mode was fun 2 years ago, but it's just an "ok" game, another run of the mill overly hyped shooter when compared to a truly great game series like Metroid on the GC. When Halo comes out for the XBox 1.5, it will still the same game that we've already played and gave up on with Halo 2; Mediocre controls and nothing that that hasn't already been done about 60 billion times. Metroid on the Revolution has potential to be something completely new and "fun," and it has already managed to achieve that on the GC. :)

I look forward to a Revolution. Nintendo hasn't overpromised, but they've managed to blow all of my expecatations out of the water. Maybe if MS would've focused on truly innovating a new game system and not a wannabe media/entertainment center, I would be more interested in buying one. But since MS is only interested in becoming a tax-collector for all media, I'll stick with companies like Nintendo, which won't require I pay-to-play.

Good luck getting one tomorrow. :)

Though theres no Zelda on the XBox 1.5, is there? ;)
Though theres no "free" online service on the XBox 1.5, is there? ;)
Though theres no innovation on the XBox 1.5, is there? ;)
Though theres no game worth getting on the XBox 1.5, is there? :p

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[T-Man]

Oh yes there is! Halo(2) :) ANYWAY, there is a free online service, an article on it was posted like a day ago on Xbox360fanboy.com

Whats Metroid Prime/Fusion? :) ;)

[JackAxe]

Only 2 great games that are worth playing like Halo when it came out. :)

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[daver]

for me, it's whichever one reaches less than $300 first. but i might lean towards the 360 because i can get cheap games from my bro who's down at MS in Redmond...

[JAmerican]

Who wants a crashing Xbox 360 that have BSODs and need service packs and updates.

Sad but yet what do you expect, its Micro$oft.

JAmerican

[JackAxe]

I sooo agreee. :)

MS is doing its best to ruin the video game market.

Well, looks like you'll be getting a Revolution Daver, just like me and some other peeps. It will be under $200 and for that price more powerfull than the overly-hyped-crash-prone-XToast 1.5 and definitely way more fun. :)

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[T-Man]

I think I'm better off if I stay away from this thread. ;)

<Oh, but I'll be watching...> hehe

[dragonsgames]

I'm getting a PS3 and Revolution :cool:

[T-Man]

HAHA, its almost funny at how people attempt to make me laugh. :p

[dragonsgames]

Ha-ha, it is almost funny when the XBox 360 crashes and goes on fire because of over heating... :p

[T-Man]

Er, give me some thinking space here. ;) :p

[T-Man]

I might ad, the PS cubed does have no ventilation(or very little at that) from current models we've seen. So lets see what happens, shall we? ;)

[JackAxe]

It will work great. :p Nintendo knows how to make game hardware, they're a vetran in this area unlike MS. :)

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[dragonsgames]

Microsoft can't even make their software work, you expect them to be able to make a fully functional game console? :D

[JackAxe]

Did you mean "Media Center." :D

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[JAmerican]

Did you mean "Media Center." :D

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I played with one this Saturday and my friend can't get Quake 4 or one of the new games for the X360 or Xbox 2 as I like to call it, to work with his system. BTW, have you seen the Power supply :eek:, you could use it as a weapon. I hope this one does cause people's houses to go on fire.

For those who have not seen them, there are pics online of what a crashing X360 looks like...

http://static.flickr.com/33/66233637_ecf8080d9a.jpg

[Link (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80491849@N00/)]

JAmerican

[jjesusfreak01]

Got that Matrix kinda look to it!

[JackAxe]

I posted this video the other day of one crashing. Be warned that psycho big-bird will make a lame comment in the background, so best to keep volume down. :eek:

http://www.bainne.com/fun/x360_crash.mov

When something is rushed, it's bound to have issues. :)

I like XToast 1.5. since it's not really a huge upgrade from the first one. :)Fortunately none of the peeps I know are gettting one these beasts and this time around they asked their weefs/girlfriends not to buy them one as a gift.

If I feel like causing eye pains, my friend has one down at his store.

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[JAmerican]

Got that Matrix kinda look to it!

Yea, they couldn't release a Matrix game in time to verse the new Matrix game so they implemented it into their system crash. LOL

JAmerican

[JackAxe]

The guy I spoke with at the game store mentioned his crashes right in the begining, but then works fine, so that's a completely different problem. :)

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[poissonsouriant]

http://www.student.gsu.edu/~abearden2/xboxcrashpwned.JPG

Sorry, but I had to. :D

[JackAxe]

G4TV has always been lame, but they just hit the bottom big time and proved my theory the've been taking money up the wazoo from MS.

The only show I liked was "Icon." It covered real-iconish subjects like Ralph Baer. (Father/Inventor of the video game.) Key areas that really made a diference in the game industry. Anyway, they just ran a show about the X360 being an icon and it was made even before MS had released their rushed game system. What a F*ING CROCK BS!!! The only thing MS is iconish at, is loosing billions when Nintendo and Sony profited.

I have absolutely no respect for this show now. :rolleyes: So, I really have no reason to even flip to G4Tech TV.

MS really doesn't have a clue. They honestly believe that the reason the XBox failed so miserably in Japan, was because of its huge design, not because they didn't like the type of games that are generally developed for it.

MS also thought their "White-Dell" rip-off design was iconish and showed power. I personally think cheap when I see it, I think Dell.

To top it off, they get the BS award of the century by touting that the X360 is 80 times faster than the XB. Well maybe in a few minor area, but definitely not as a whole. This would be why their menu system "hacks" when sliding out, and Perfect Dark slows down and drops frames during multi-play. Now a high-end Intel, AMD and G5, which easilly decimate the X360's watered down proc aren't even 80 times faster as a whole than a XB, so MS is definitely smoking something.

Ok, I'm done griping for now. My bet is MS looses another 4-billion before the end of this new console's life.

The only thing MS got right was the controller, but it's really cliché and unappealing compared to what Big N is about to offer.

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[daver]

you know, i really don.t see what's the big deal about a monopolistic corporation releasing another console system. and i see no need to trash it just because it's from Microsoft. what if it were the other way around, and Sony/Nintendo carried the XBox/360 line of consoles, or was doing just as well/poorly (depending on what kind of extreme fanboy you are) as MS is doing right now. would you still be just as aggrevated/biased/steamed/excited/(Insert adjective here)? honestly though, i'm curious about this.

personally, i don't give a rat's furry backside which system i have or play on. as long as it can bring me countless hours of entertainment in front if the TV or with friends, i don't care. (but i myself am a tad bit biased toward the XBox series because i can get discounted games/hardware from the Microsoft employee store through my brother. if he were to work at Nintendo/Sony and get just as great discounts for stuff, i'd be just as biased towards Sony/Nintendo).

i'm not joking here. i truly am interested in what you guys would think if it were the other way(s) around.

[JackAxe]

Ye really missed me point. :confused:

I do bag on MS quite a bit, I'm guilty of that, :) but I'm all for monopolistic corps, but only if they can truly offer someting "good," not when they're mediocre and release tons of stagnant garbage.

The X360 is by know means an "icon." It has yet to prove itself and is nothing groundbreaking. The console just came out for monkey's sake!!! An icon would be the Grand Turismo series, Zelda, or Halo to name a few. Or more importantly Nintendo, because they alone revived the completely "dead" gaming industry in the eighties with the NES. There was an Icon show about that very subject.

What MS has done, is turned a show that I truly enjoyed, into a F*ING INFOMERCIAL!!! This really ticks me off, and not only was I griping about MS, but more so about G4Te..whatever, selling out such a great show.

And now to rip on MS, since they do deserve it. They're are destroying what fundamentally has always made consoles good. With the XBox, they brought over some of the bad areas from the PC game industry, like shipping a half-arse game riddled with bugs, and then patching it later. This in my book is completely unacceptable and why I never bought a XBox. Now with the X360, they've introduced a console that unless upgraded, exludes certain features that most games take advantage of, and what really blows my mind, is they mentioned it has a PCI-Express for expansion. Does this mean that they'll offer a video upgrade in a few years that will need to be purchased in order to play newer games? This kind of crap belongs on desktops, not consoles. MS doesn't understand this, and they really don't give a rat's arse about games, they only care about owning our living rooms.

If MS truly cared about gaming, my views on them would be completely different. When I first heard about he X360, whatever its prior name was, I was told by many that MS was serious about games this time around. That bit of info, and the fact it was using a PowerPC, actually interested me, but low and behold at E3, it was all BS, and they introduced their brand new "media center."

Now here are companies I like that are very monopolistic; Adobe/Macromedia. AfterEffects, Flash and CS2 are brilliant apps, so powerfull and flexible. Apple of course with its iPod+iTunes, because it simply does what I want and works so wonderfully.

There are others, but those were probably the biggest.

:)

[daver]

actually, JackAxe, you missed my point. i know what you point was, and it was clearly stated in your earlier post.

i moved on past your point, and brought up a question for those who love/hate Xbox:
what if Sony or Nintendo had switched roles with Microsoft. For example, Sony's Playstation (we'll stick with PS2 since it's competition for the Xbox) was making them lose however much Microsoft apparently loses on the Xbox. And the Sony was taking the PS3 (pretending that it was released on November 22, and the 360 has yet to see the shelves) and turning G4 into an informercial? What would you be saying about that? Same with Nintendo. Let's say the Revolution (?) was crashing like a steamin' pile of cr@p with the OS as a bunch of 1's and 0's written in the fresh heaping pile with a branch broken off your neighbour's tree. What then? Would you still be trashing Microsoft (all other MS products aside) Xbox?

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I agree, Windows is the biggest load of <insert profane words here>. But I still use it, why? Because it's safe to say that when you're in school, it's as close as you can be to being the universal operating system. By that, I mean the most computer illiterate university students who are in your presentation group can use it and e-mail you their share of the project. I stick with Linux as often as possible, but when I need to, I'll gladly use Windows as I know it's safe to assume whoever I'm working with has Windows. seriously, on campus, 1 in a bajillion people use Mac OS. don't ask me why, that's just how it is. plus, Windows is better for games than Mac or Linux. Honestly, I don't think i'd be able to get an equivalent of the new AMD X2 Dual Core 4400+ for less than $3000 on a Mac computer with two video cards. meanwhile, good luck with working on audio or video files on a Windows machine. in that case, get a Mac - they rule in that sense.

[jjesusfreak01]

I think the point that alot here are trying to make is that the xBox 360 is "yet another sorry console". There isnt anything special about the way it plays games. Without question, it is an improvement, but is it worth the cost? When the Revolution comes out, anyone can justify buying it not because it is the "newest system", but because it is revolutionary in its gameplay and method. The PS3 will not be incredibly revolutionary, but it isnt bad. It will probably come out as a good deal for a Blu-Ray player and gaming machine combo, since it will be released along side the first stand alone BR players. It seems (just in pictures, and movies) to be a more capable platform, and maybe this applies to the hardware too, but only if the game developers find out how to use it well. Anyone see my point?

[JackAxe]

I see your point jjesusfreak01, and it was very well put.


I've been tinkering with this response for too long. I had to edit out all of my insanity and must get some sleep.

what if Sony or Nintendo had switched roles with Microsoft. For example, Sony's Playstation (we'll stick with PS2 since it's competition for the Xbox) was making them lose however much Microsoft apparently loses on the Xbox. And the Sony was taking the PS3 (pretending that it was released on November 22, and the 360 has yet to see the shelves) and turning G4 into an informercial?

Well, if Microsoft is the variable and Sony now equals MS, or Nintendo is equal to MS, I wouldn't like Sony or Nintendo either, because they really wouldn't be in the game industry for the games, and quality/innovation would not be an important factor in their products.

I have a quick question daver, since your comment basically indicates that Nintendo isn't even in the race, but first let me state a few things;

MS has lost 4 billion and yet to profit.
They've sold about 23 million Xboxes
Most owners have modded their console, so that they can copy games, eliminating the need to buy them.

Nintendo has been profitable. Every Cube out the door even at $99 is money in their pockets.
They've sold about 20 million cubes.
They're not plagued by piracy.

Now if we go buy units sold, than MS is ahead of Nintendo, but only by a small margin and in Japan MS is a complete failure.

How is Microsoft even a competition to Sony, if Nintendo is not? 23 vs 20 million isn't that big of a deal, when compared to Sony's 100 million unit sold supremacy. I know MS has billions more to throw at it than Nintendo, which could be their victor, but no company can operate at a loss forever.

Now if we go by who has made money in the console industry, out of the 3, Microsoft is the only one that has not made a profit.

So out of Nintendo and Microsoft, who do you honestly believe is doing better in this industry? (You already know that Nintendo is in Sony's position when it comes to the portable market.)

Let's say the Revolution (?) was crashing like a steamin' pile of cr@p with the OS as a bunch of 1's and 0's written in the fresh heaping pile with a branch broken off your neighbour's tree.

If Nintendo did decide to abandon years of proven quailty and decades of experience when it comes to consoles, they would piss off a whole bunch of peeps including me. But fortunately the chances of Nintendo having a X360 launch is highly unlikely. Even when Nintendo was the 800 pound gorilla, they still focused on quality and innovation.

All systems will have lemons of course, Microsoft just had several more and it was a problem they should've remedied before mass production. Overheating during the cold season, what's with that?

Fortunately here in California, there are plenty of Mac users. Apple also understands Windows is the dominate OS, so makes their products compatible with this Window's world. Every peep has their preference, I'm just glad the choice is no longer as clear cut, where as a PC was the only way to go.

I agree, PCs are good for games.

I have 2 PCs here now, and will probably always have at least one. Beyond the occasional(rare now days) LAN party, rendering support and a 3D geometry convertor,though, they're generally turned off. I'm on my Macs for everything else. I moved the weef over also, she's been PC free since 2001.

On the price thing, an AMD X2 is a "consumer" chip. (I'm not saying its slow by any means.) It's the chip I would mostly likely by at this time. Consumer parts can cost significantly less though, and are not in the same class.

The G5 towers are all workstations. You should be comparing Opteron's to the Mac "workstations." Price out a similiar DC Opteron vs a DC G5 configuration. You'll find that Mac workstations are actually priced very competitively. Make sure to match the mobo specs also.

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[JackAxe]

I'm still peeved that the only show I liked on the horrid G4TV, has become nothing more than a broadcast whore.

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[daver]

MS has lost 4 billion and yet to profit.
They've sold about 23 million Xboxes
the 4 billion is probably a fake number. i'll bet it's twice that, but Microsoft uses their best lawyers and marketers to hide it. pretty good job if you ask me :D


Now if we go buy units sold, than MS is ahead of Nintendo, but only by a small margin and in Japan MS is a complete failure.
that's because Nintendo IS Japanese, therefore the people are more inclined to purchase Sony and Nintendo. if either of those companies were American, and Microsoft were Japanese, then whichever one company would be biting the dust right now, like MS is.

...MS has billions more to throw at it than Nintendo
Or Sony for that matter.
Now if we go by who has made money in the console industry, out of the 3, Microsoft is the only one that has not made a profit.
But the XBox isn't MIcrosoft's primary product. If you ask me, the XBox is a step into the console world, but not designed to dominate. I've been reading all over the place that the PS3 can kick the 360's butt in the specs race any day. I doubt that Microsoft cares. They already dominate the operating system and office suite universe, right? XBox is kind of a toy for them I guess...

All systems will have lemons of course, Microsoft just had several more and it was a problem they should've remedied before mass production. Overheating during the cold season, what's with that?
see, this is where you're wrong. the Xbox 360 IS the lemon. not just that there are lemon units... :D too many stories about the 360 crashing just proves that Microsoft doesn't really care as much as Sony, and definitely no where near Nintendo. Probably because they know that if Sony or Nintendo even tried to enter the operating system fight, they'd lose in a flash.

On the price thing, an AMD X2 is a "consumer" chip. (I'm not saying its slow by any means.) It's the chip I would mostly likely by at this time. Consumer parts can cost significantly less though, and are not in the same class.
well, i know that. but i wasn't very clear. i meant, can you get that type of power (and 4 GB of RAM) for less than $3000 on a Mac? not that i know of. me dad just finished assembling the new home "mega-power" PC. hi computer had always been the 333 MHz dinosaur in the house. Now it's ~3.3 GHz dual core, 4 GB RAM, one ATi X850 and one nVidia FX5200 (i think it's the 5200 that came with my brother's old computer). time for some real gaming now! :D:D:D:D:D

he actually got a piece of paper, took a Sharpie, and wrote out "MEGA POWER PC" and scotch taped it to the side of the tower. my mom took it down though, because she thought it was ridiculous; no argument there :p

[JackAxe]

Nope, "not" a fake number. MS has lost 4 billion on the XBox do a search. If one includes small-bussiness and MSN online, they lost 7 billion in the past 4 years.

Here's an article about MS's current state of affairs;
http://www.forbes.com/home/technology/2005/09/12/microsoft-management-software_cz_vm_0913microsoft.html

MS is rotting now days. How ironic that they're going to be their own downfall.

Well, Apple's not Japanese and they do quite well in Japan. There are lots of American companies that are successful in Japan. If Japanese are more inclined to buy Sony as you mentioned, then why didn't the XB destroy the PS2 here in the US market, with sooo many MS eccentric peeps? :) Even Nintendo is doing better in the US game market than MS, and they didn't loose 4 billion in the process. :p

Nintendo has billions to work with and a good bussiness sense on how to make money while innovating and providing great products. MS has billions more and a bad bussiness sense, producing mediocre products at best and rarely innovates.


According to that Icon-infomercial I watched, the Xbox with its all might powerful specs was supposed to own the aging PS2 and dominate the market. :)

The only reason MS is pushing so hard into the living room, is because they've reached a stagnant point and are starting to loose their user base. They're looking for a replacement, since the computer market has changed so much, much faster than they could adjust.

With goverment agencys willing to switch to Open Office, and Windows no longer an essential to stay compatible, or just to get anything done, MS's mediocrity isn't enough to keep them on top in the long run. They think that the future is in the living room, and that for some reason we'll all want to take a huge step back and that familys will want to gather around the family TV as Timmy writes his school report on a X360(MS PC). They really are clueless about things. If you watch documentaries like "Triumph of the Nerds" you'll see. Luck pushed MS into the OS bussiness. :)

MS didn't even write DOS, they were lucky enough to get it for only $50k.

MS's OS dominance is slipping. Nintendo doesn't want to be in the OS business, but it's a safe bet that they could probably do a better job. Sony on the other hand, no, I'll take MS over Sony any day when it comes to software. :D BUt fortunatley I have Apple as a choice, their shenanigans are tolerable, because they're usually called on them and then forced to make good. :)

And yes, you can get a Mac for welll under $3K with just as much ram, and in many ways it will be more powerfull. Like I mentioned, the X2 is a consumer chip and isn't in the same class as a G5. You'll need to purchase an Opteron if you want a similar chip. But then again, for games and only games, I would buy a X2 over an Opteron or G5 anyday. :)

I see that your system is Vista compliant. :D Here's the thing though, almost all Windows' apps at this time, can't use the extra 2 gigs of ram on that system, nor even the second core. The apps that can use more than 2 gigs, can only use just over 3 gigs. I have 5 Gigs right now in my Mac and can put up to 16 Gigs. But unlike Windows, OS X fully suports it along with multiple cores/procs. :p

XP 64 will support that extra ram, but lacks overall support for anything else

Anyway, cool system though, way more powerful and better than a X360, especially for games, and it has what's needed to stay compatible with MS's future abominations. :)

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[daver]

i still think those numbers of only $4 billion are a little off. there's gotta be a catch to it. $4 billion seems a little low if you ask me.

anyways, i made a slight mistake with the $3000 number. i mean $3000 canadian dollars. of course you can get a G5 Mac for under $3000 USD. in Canada, good luck getting a G5 with more than 2.0 GHz for less than $2500. For example, look here: http://www.futureshop.ca/catalog/proddetail.asp?logon=&langid=EN&sku_id=0665000FS10061550&catid=23017. That's the most powerful you can find in any store in Vancouver (online stores don't count right now). Only 256 MB of RAM, and it's still $3000! Unless I'm going to be making movies for a business... I don't think i'd pick one up.

And don't worry, there's no way in hell I'm going with Vista. I'm planning on completely moving over to Linux, with only a Windows XP/2003 virtual machine installed in case I ever need Windows. Plus, with Linux, all 1GB of my current PC's RAM can be used; unlike Windows, which will eat up 512 of it for "virtual memory" and then another 128-200 MB for other "memory management" crap.

[JAmerican]

All I have to say is MS made big mistakes with the new system. Rush released it. Imagine if they did that with Vista, I think everyone would move to Mac or go back to XP. The system supports last-gen DVDs. No HD-DVD format. They also don't support all their games. While the PS3 will support PS and PS2 games. Imagine if Sony made an OS, I wonder how it would do? It would be sick but most likely not support a lot of formats due to the proprietary nature of SONY but still back to the point. Xbox has showed Sony its mistakes. Now Sony can avoid those mistakes and make sure their system is ready for release not rushed into it.

I feel the FULL Backwards Compatibility. The multiple memory formats. The Blue-Ray Player. The Dual-Screen support. These features will make the PS3 the best gaming console ever. M$ just sliced its heart out and gave it to Sony.

JAmerican

[poissonsouriant]

PlayStation does not have full backwards compatibility. They have stated that not all PS1 and PS2 games will be compatible with it. Heck, Sony just released a new slim PS2 that is not completely compatible with all PS2 games.

The PlayStation 2 did not have full backward compatibility. A few Playstation 1 games didn't work on them. My guess is that while Nintendo will do a great job with backwards compatibility, not all Gamecube games will be compatible with the Revolution.

On the other topic at hand....

This arguing needs to stop. Nintendo fanboys are quick to say that the Xbox 360's graphics aren't as good as MS originally claimed, and call it names like the "XToast 1.5". But when it's pointed out that Revolution isn't nearly as powerful, they quickly fall back to "graphics don't really matter, it's gameplay and fun". You need to pick one and stick with it. Xbox 360 fanboys simply spout all the tech specs and show pretty screenshots without telling how the game is to play.

Frankly I'm sick of all of this. We should all play the games we want to play, on the systems we want to play them on. In the past generation, there were good games on all platforms. Yes, even the Xbox. There will be good games on all systems in the next generation too.

[daver]

PlayStation does not have full backwards compatibility. They have stated that not all PS1 and PS2 games will be compatible with it. Heck, Sony just released a new slim PS2 that is not completely compatible with all PS2 games.

The PlayStation 2 did not have full backward compatibility. A few Playstation 1 games didn't work on them. My guess is that while Nintendo will do a great job with backwards compatibility, not all Gamecube games will be compatible with the Revolution.
i knew this already, and wasn't even going to bother saying that. no system is 100% backwards compatible with every single game (obviously the original Xbox doesn't really count here...)

This arguing needs to stop. Nintendo fanboys are quick to say that the Xbox 360's graphics aren't as good as MS originally claimed, and call it names like the "XToast 1.5". But when it's pointed out that Revolution isn't nearly as powerful, they quickly fall back to "graphics don't really matter, it's gameplay and fun". You need to pick one and stick with it. Xbox 360 fanboys simply spout all the tech specs and show pretty screenshots without telling how the game is to play.

Frankly I'm sick of all of this. We should all play the games we want to play, on the systems we want to play them on. In the past generation, there were good games on all platforms. Yes, even the Xbox. There will be good games on all systems in the next generation too.
i didn't quite want to say this. i like to see what other people have to say, and when somebody will finally get tired of the @#*&^%@*#$%&^%#$^&@# that goes on. :D :D :D

Like you, I'm tired of fanboys gloating about their favourite system and trashing the others. XBox gets less credit than it really deserves, even though it does have too many flaws (bugs, the Microsoft name... :p). It's a great gaming system, and I'm proud to be an owner of one. I couldn't care less what Sony and Nintendo fanboys have to say about the XBox. I got mine for under $100 after tax (in perfect condition, with 2 controllers, and SSX), and my all games cost less than your weekly allowance (assuming that you get an allowance of $20 USD and excluding sales taxes).

But I really was interested to see what people would have to say if XBox were the dominating console system and Sony/Nintendo was getting all the trash talk.

BTW, SSX On Tour, best one in the series by far (soundtrack's so much better than the first).

[poissonsouriant]

I got mine for under $100 after tax (in perfect condition, with 2 controllers, and SSX), and my all games cost less than your weekly allowance (assuming that you get an allowance of $20 USD and excluding sales taxes).


I don't get an allowance, dude. I have to earn my money. At a job.

21-year-olds like me don't usually get allowances.

Back on topic, my favorite game for any system is Psychonauts, which was first released on the Xbox. If they release a sequel on the Xbox 360, it will be reason enough to buy an Xbox 360.

[daver]

I don't get an allowance, dude. I have to earn my money. At a job.

21-year-olds like me don't usually get allowances.

sorry, i never meant to direct that at you. by allowance, i was talking about the 12-year-old school kids who can't do anything but follow their friends and buy what they buy.

i never got an allowance, but i can only assume that $20 is a close estimate....

i have to pay off my own tuition. and it's a bloody drag. i carry 2 jobs most of the year, and they can barely pay off everything. at least i don't have to pay for room and boarding. i save some money there. after many months of saving up, i can finally dish out the $300-$400 needed for an mp3 player. i've actually been saving since january of this year. so i won't be getting any new console until maybe the end of 2006 at the least (why the heck does the 360 have to be $500+??? :mad: ).

[JackAxe]

i still think those numbers of only $4 billion are a little off. there's gotta be a catch to it. $4 billion seems a little low if you ask me.

anyways, i made a slight mistake with the $3000 number. i mean $3000 canadian dollars. of course you can get a G5 Mac for under $3000 USD. in Canada, good luck getting a G5 with more than 2.0 GHz for less than $2500. For example, look here: http://www.futureshop.ca/catalog/proddetail.asp?logon=&langid=EN&sku_id=0665000FS10061550&catid=23017. That's the most powerful you can find in any store in Vancouver (online stores don't count right now). Only 256 MB of RAM, and it's still $3000! Unless I'm going to be making movies for a business... I don't think i'd pick one up.

And don't worry, there's no way in hell I'm going with Vista. I'm planning on completely moving over to Linux, with only a Windows XP/2003 virtual machine installed in case I ever need Windows. Plus, with Linux, all 1GB of my current PC's RAM can be used; unlike Windows, which will eat up 512 of it for "virtual memory" and then another 128-200 MB for other "memory management" crap.

Not Catch, tis 4 billion. That number also includes its marketing of course. The XBox hardware itself has lost about a billion. :) It's a huge loss, but could be construed as a superficial from MS's point of view, especially if the X360 succeeds in the long run.

Here, see for ye self;
http://www.joystiq.com/entry/1234000150060595/

Man, everything is jacked up in price up in Canada. Don't you guys have coupons!!! :D Well, if ye buy an ADC Select membership, you can get the even a 4-core Mac for under 3K. :)

This configuration is actually more powerful than a X2 in many areas(important to me of course, AfterEffects is one example,) but definitely not when it comes to games;
http://www.futureshop.ca/catalog/proddetail.asp?sku_id=0665000FS10061331&catid=23017&logon=&langid=EN

The G5 still has the fastest SIMD on the market at thist time, so in multimedia production, scientific and other simliar areas, when properly supported, the Mac has a tremendous boost over its PC counterparts. :)

A X2 is a great chip and from what I understand is based on the Opteron, but the difference between it and a chip like the Opteron, or a G5, are workstation features, like adding more than one proc, larger cache, more ram support, higher grade components in general, which of course generally(Almost always.) will cost more.

The 2.3 you refered to has 8 memory slots, that right there costs more.

I'll try out Vista on a friend's PC, but I have no plans on upgrading to it on my PCs. Maybe in 7 years when it catches up to where OS X is right now.

You should just to switch to OS X instead of moving to Linux. :D

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[JackAxe]

This arguing needs to stop. Nintendo fanboys are quick to say that the Xbox 360's graphics aren't as good as MS originally claimed, and call it names like the "XToast 1.5". But when it's pointed out that Revolution isn't nearly as powerful, they quickly fall back to "graphics don't really matter, it's gameplay and fun". You need to pick one and stick with it. Xbox 360 fanboys simply spout all the tech specs and show pretty screenshots without telling how the game is to play.

Frankly I'm sick of all of this. We should all play the games we want to play, on the systems we want to play them on. In the past generation, there were good games on all platforms. Yes, even the Xbox. There will be good games on all systems in the next generation too.

I hear your point, so basically you're saying "we should all just get along?" Was that words of wisdom from Mother Teresa, or was it Rodney King... We should settle our differences and all just except everything for what they are and never question them, we should all just "conform."

Sorry, but I don't live in la-la land and being an artist by trade, I'm required to be passionate about things I like, but then again, that's just my personality and has nothing to do with my occupation.

If anything, your interjection is "argumentative," with demands like "This arguing needs to stop," and "You need to pick one and stick with it."

Oh, and who's arguing?

It all comes down to what makes one happy and of course this leads to differences. So I'll note your opinion on this matter and respect it, but not if it limits my rights to express my opinions.

The the creative peep behind Psychonauts made some of my favorite games of all time, like Monkey Island. I would've picked up a PS2 just for this game, but they have it on the PC.

BTW. "XToast 1.5" is a registered trademark.http://www.bainne.com/fun/blah_happy.gif

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[daver]

BTW. "XToast 1.5" is a registered trademark
seriously? that's hilarious

i find that the only valid argument people can have among consoles is the types of games aimed at their target consumers. other than that, arguing that X is better than Y, and eventually having C jump into the fray is totally pointless.

[Joel]

Sorry if this has been posted before. It's a video of an Xbox 360 damaging a disc (http://www.warcry.com/scripts/columns/view_sectionalt.phtml?site=15&id=108&colid=8635).

I can't vouch for its authenticity as there are several editing cuts in the video. Still... it made me cringe hearing that SOUND.

[JackAxe]

I like my opinion better than your opinion. :p

I call the X360 a XToast 1.5, because of its heating feature of course and because the first gen of games that are out there really aren't anything special, well they don't nearly live up to MS's hype. And the over use of light blooms is ridiculous. :) And yes I know that once developers figure out all the ins-and-outs of this thing, games will definitely improve.

But I agree, the the type of games does make all the difference, tis why I haven't bought a PSP... yet.

I've read about that disc thing on Slashdot. Cool to see a video though. The PS2 had a similiar issue also when it was first released. Side loading CDs are tricky, so hopefully the PS3 and Revolution will take it into account that people will move their console, or even tip it over by accident.

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[daver]

i've had experience with a disc-killing drive before. my first DVD-ROM drive on my PC did that to my Die Hard 2 DVD. except the scratch-rings were a little closer to the middle of the disc. however, the noises that the Xbox 360 made in the video are fabricated in my opinion. real sounds are more like nails on a chalkboard.

either way, real or not, it's a problem that's not common, but still happens often with optical drives. when i went back to FutureShop to get it replaced, the so called "expert" behind the counter simply said that it's a production problem with the drive: usually a chip or something small is misplaced when the entire drive is put together, and ends up sticking out into the area where the lens head reads the disc.

luckily, FutureShop replaced the drive for free, and gave me a new Die Hard 2 DVD as "compensation" for giving me a defective product/unit.

[JackAxe]

My weef's Powerbook got a small dent in the front somehow and it started destroying discs. The sound it made was no different than normal, but the scratch was towards the middle. Apple's fixing is right now via me Apple Care.

You honestly belive that sound is fake? Not sure why someone would want to do so, since they did go out of there way to procure a X360 and then "damage" one of their discs to demonstrate the problem. :) I don't know if you ever had a portable CD player, but when shifting them too quickly they would make a similar noise, but minus the scratch of course.

The same site also offers a fix that anyone can do themselves and they even link to that video showing how the disc can be scratch, so to avoid doing so in the first place;
http://www.llamma.com/xbox360/news/Xbox-360-Game-Disc-Scratched.htm

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[daver]

You honestly belive that sound is fake?
well, i'm not 100% sure that it's fake, but from my personal experience with a disc-killing DVD ROM drive, the scratching is more of a high-pitch screeching noise than grainy sound like in the video.

I don't know if you ever had a portable CD player, but when shifting them too quickly they would make a similar noise, but minus the scratch of course.
nope, never had a CD player until a few weeks back when i bought an MP3 discman (which i had to return because it was defective). so basically, i've never really OWNED a CD player, just played with one for a day before it died.

but it's very possible that the video is real. i'm just saying that through my own experience, the sound in the video is added in.

[JackAxe]

Ahhhh. I reead.

You looked over the fix right? The console just needs some rubber pads to prevent the disc from tilting up which causes the oppisote side to tilt down and hit the laser.

I'm just old, and have owned a few CD portables. :) Now days I just buy the CD an then dump them on my iPod.

http://www.powerlabs.org/movies/cd.mpg

Too bad the X360 didn't just laucn the disc out like the early PSPs.

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[daver]

Too bad the X360 didn't just laucn the disc out like the early PSPs.
I don't know about you, but I'd kill for an optical drive that could launch discs.

I'm an avid ultimate (frisbee) player, and trust me, using a disc-launching drive would be the BEST way to practice catching lasers (an inside term for REALLY hard thrown discs). Don't worry, the palms of my hands are so callused (SP?) from catching REALLY REALLY fast discs...

But that was a VERY funny video. I loved the techno remix of Bittersweet Symphony, that just added the extra laugh. What the heck was he using to spin the discs?

[JackAxe]

A Dremel. :)

I watched a MythBusters and they wanted to see how many RPMs it would take to destroy a CD and once they found the magic number, the thing shattered instantly and impaled little plastic pieces into their test dummy.

Maybe you could make a large scale version of those toy guns that shoot little discs.

I need more exercise, the only frisbee I play is with my Nintendog. :o

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[daver]

i've been thinking about the disc launching idea...

maybe i'll need gloves with CDs/DVDs unless i want to cut my hands in half.

my brother's coming back home for the weekend, so i'll finally get to play an XBox 360! TBO, i'm not expecting anything super exciting. it's more of the actual playing on the console more than anything. i've heard that the controllers are really comfortable and form fitting in your hands (PS2 controllers give my hands cramps because they're too small for my large hands).

[JackAxe]

Yeah, the controller is quite nice. If only the rest of the X360 were as well thought out. ;) I might pick one up for my PC. :o I get cramps with the PS2 also, but nothing as bad as the horrid death controller from the PS1. I like the Dual-Shock feature though. But my favorite tradditional controller is the X360s and then the GameCubes.

I played with one again tonight at my friend's store. It's eh. If I had never played a PC game, and maybe were a few years younger I would be more impressed. Well, I would've bought one. :D

A CD spinning that fast could cause some pain. You should probably where saftey goggles also, if it shatters after catching it.

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[daver]

my favorite tradditional controller is the X360s and then the GameCubes.i quite like the layout of the gamecube (much like the N64 controllers isn't it?), but it's still a little small for my hands. but it works great for those meaningless bash-each-other games like Smash Brothers (my friend has a GC).

A CD spinning that fast could cause some pain. You should probably where saftey goggles also, if it shatters after catching it.don't you worry. i wear my Oakleys when i play ultimate, so i think my eyes are safe

[JackAxe]

The GC controller is about as similar to the N64 controller, as a Dual-Shock is to a GC controller. :)

The X360 controller is about the same size as a GC controller, but it has the little rubber coated joysticks that are pushable like the Sony and is smooooth, which I like.

The pushable joysticks would've been nice for the GC, but Nintendo didn't think about it.

But come next year, I look forward to being able to actually aim and swing my controller, or whatever those scurvy developers think of. :)

Oakley Thumps, like the Dog wears. :p *kidding*

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[JackAxe]

Ooops, forgot my GC controller nubs are covered in rubber, but not pushable.

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[daver]

The pushable joysticks would've been nice for the GC, but Nintendo didn't think about it.
for the longest time, i thought the GC did have the pushable thumbsticks. hmmm... i hope my friend doesn't find out that one of his GC controllers may be broken because i was trying to crouch by pushing down on the thumbstick (pushing down the thumbstick to crouch is a very common control option with Xbox games).

Oakley Thumps, like the Dog wears. :p *kidding*
ewwww... i don't like the Thumps. instead, i went retro, and stuck with the Oakley Minutes. They fit my face perfectly fine, and the polarized lenses have served me well in many occasions (great for snow sports, water sports, and out on the open grass field). the anti-glare really works, especially when you've a disc coming at you like a howitzer; in cases like that, glare=death :D .

[JackAxe]

The pushable thumb-button is just nice. I played about a billion hours of Halo, so I'm familiar with this crouch thing. :)

I just don't like thumb-buttons for aiming, on any game, or any system. Tis EVIL!!!

Those are nice, but they wouldn't fit me face.

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[gothicaleigh]

I find it amusing how people can take sides in the upcoming console war without ever laying hands on the machines in question.


After purchasing the last few console generations on or as near as possible to opening day, this year I've put myself on wait and see mode. I will eventually get each of the new systems as I haven't missed owning a major console since the NES and I like to leave my gaming options open. But this time I'm not buying them right away.
Past experience has shown me that owning a new console in it's first year is pointless. Sure, there will always be that one "must play" release game, but once that is over (and they are often very short games if rushed to launch) you have nothing to play until a couple months after the following E3.

[poissonsouriant]

http://www.joystiq.com/media/2005/12/xboxps3-size-comparison.jpg
Hmmmmm......

[JackAxe]

In this case, I like the small one the best. :)

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[T-Man]

I like the medium one, small doesnt exactly do it. Afterall, I do carry a LifeDrive. :)

[poissonsouriant]

You like the PS3 the best? I thought you were big on the Xbox 360.

Ditto on the LifeDrive. Sometimes smaller isn't better in technology.

[poissonsouriant]

http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/3411/bigcomparison6gq.jpg

Maybe this is a better comparison.

[poissonsouriant]

Volume: (based on measurements in above picture)
Xbox: 7727 cu. cm
Xbox 360: 6617 cu. cm
PS3: 6144 cu. cm
PS2: 4179 cu. cm
Gamecube: 2657 cu. cm
Slim PS2: 979 cu. cm
Revolution: 956 cu. cm

[T-Man]

You like the PS3 the best? I thought you were big on the Xbox 360.

Ditto on the LifeDrive. Sometimes smaller isn't better in technology.

MIDDLE SIZED!!! DAH! (Starts banging head uncontrollably) I've committed a sin! :(

[JackAxe]

T-Man,

If you end up buying a X360, consider investing in fire insurance. :p

I'm buying a Revolution this year and if Blue-Ray isn't pulling ahead fast enough for the media choice over the inferior HD-DVD a PS3 next year.

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[JackAxe]

This is old, but It shows a good relation of size. :)
http://www.bainne.com/fun/xbox_ship.jpg

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[Ezikial Anta]

So, now the Revolution also plays Sega games...

[JackAxe]

Yep. Sega has no alliances these days. :)

The rumors are saying it will be out in June. That would be great. Twilight Princess was delayed, so that it would be released at the same time as the R. It will be a hybrid disc, meaning it will have a purdier Revolution version along with the GC version, which will still look good.

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[sopgent7]

XBOX One Game HALO HALO HALO!!!!

[JackAxe]

fun. :)

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[LupeValenz]

Welp wondering what peeps here thinking now bout the PS3, with the hefty price tag of at least 600 bucks and the games being anywhere from 60-100 bucks, I don't know if i am willin to buy something that will drain my money so much. I think this is a bad move for sony and might not see sony as being number one console with such expensive prices. I think I will stick with the Wii and Nintendo DS only units...and of course the PSP too for my manga readin lol.

[JackAxe]

My friend is getting one. I'm holding off, mainly because of the price. Besides, all of my extra money will be going to the Wii and DS. :)

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[Cyker]

Given that I hate Sports Games, Driving Games and Beat 'em Ups, I doubt I'll get either.

At this point in time, the only games I have on my Get List are:
Jets'n'Guns Gold, War Angels, Sam'n'Max, StarWolves 2 and Lego StarWars 2, none of which I need a console to play ;)

[JackAxe]

I'm worried that they're going to basterdize Sam'n'Max with this latest incarnation. :( I'm still a mouse-pointer 2D purest when it comes to graphic-adventures. Monkey Island 4 and its disgusting use of keyboard for control, was just wrong. I certainly think they can make a great game with 3D, but only if they go back to the mouse for control. :)

Nintendo has those types of games? :D Well, I do have the "one" fighting game on my GameCube, but those types of games seem to be more prominent on the other consoles, even though there are a few on the GameCube. :) Tis why I love my DS and look foward to the Wii, it has all the games that most publishers are afraid to release on the others, like graphic adventures.

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[LupeValenz]

Woops, another misstep for Sony by not fully backwards compatible with all the older Playstation games. Another good mark for the Wii :D. I feel lil sorry about the PS3 gamers >.<

[JackAxe]

It gets worse..... The US is only getting 120k PS3s, so my friend's store only gets one. :D BUhaaaa Haaaaa haaaa.

Anyway, some really lucky bastard, as in the person who is spending the most will get it on Friday. So they're breaking ranks of their preorders to accommodate the big spender. :D

I have respect for the kind of power Sony is bestowing on the game industry, but I think it will probably be another 6 months before they start shipping in adequate numbers.

Anyway, me Wii will be here fore meeeee. I have to get to my friend's store at opening, so I can get an extra controller and numchuck. I'm trading in my GameCube, becaue he'll give me $45 credit. But then again, I would be loosing a $24 controllor, so I'll need to think that through.

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[JackAxe]

I think its about time they update this poll to list the Wii, instead of whatever. Gee how things have changed. :rolleyes:

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[LupeValenz]

Man....peeps are crazy to pay $1000+ for a PS3....heck....peeps are crazy to pay $600! I can't believe what I see on ebay for the price on a PS3 >.<

[JackAxe]

I met my parents for supper, and they said there were hundreds of peeps lining up at the Target near where they're staying. Don't these boneheads know that each store is only getting like 5 of them in. :D

If you didn't preorder your PS3, than waiting inline to get one is a complete waist.

Wii SUNDAY approaches. :)

I'm not going to trade in my GameCube, because it has a GameBoy player. That would be a waist for me to do so.

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[JackAxe]

It's probably safe to say that out of the 43 peeps that voted for the PS3, none of them got one today. ;)

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[pelaez-1]

Well, many peeps that talk about the 360 talk about "Halo 3", personally i don't like it, as a FPS for a console, i have Time Splitters, which is great, it has speed, humor, and action, which i think halo doesn't, it's like a slow fps.

The story: Aliens? again?!? And they rate the story as great... get over it...

Now a great FPS comming for both 360 and PS3 is the Unreal Tournament 2007, that will be truly great, the 2k4 was great, and that was 3 years ago, now it has new engine, new AI, more weapons, more vehicles, and online play (hope i can kick my friend's behind online by playing with a PS3 and a 360 (he got the xbox, what can i do? :( )), but anyway, the point is that halo isn't that good, i mean, it's very comercial, and has a lot investors and money, but is not that good, it's just another slow fps like Call of Duty (I have nothing against it, but i don't like it too much, too slow and real), the only difference is that it has aliens and laser guns :confused: , so, if u want speed, action and unreal things, buy Unreal Tournament!!! (it's a must have, game of the year, best fps i've ever played :D )

BTW, Sony 4 eva!! (Ps1, PS2, PSP, PS3, Sony Clié (or at least untill they got off the market, then i got a TX =), Sony Ericsson W600 Mobile phone, Sony HD TV)

(Now expect a lot of comments from Halo fans saying it's the best fps game ever :D )

[Pdaman]

Lol, Playstation 3 leads to the top of world!!

[traderonline]

i prefer Xbox 360 because of the availability of pretty cool titles.

[pelaez-1]

I own a PS3, and have 3 games, all of them are something new i must say (Resistance, Full Auto 2, Tony Hawk P8), which can't be said of a 360 (a friend brought his yesterday and the only really inovating game is Gears of War), besides, many of the 360 games are available for regular Xbox and even PS2 (thats how special they are :p ).

I'm happy with my choice, and i'd do it again.

Bout the price?

Xbox 360 - $400 usd
Card Reader - $30 usd
60 Gb HDD (woot, there isn't one!) - would be about $150 usd (20 Gb is $100 usd)
Rechargable batteries - $35 usd
Wireless Network Adapter (a must have!) - $100 usd
Gold Membership - $50 usd (Mexican price, can't fin in BestBuy)

*Prices taken from BestBuy.com, except the membership, which i was unable to find, that price was taken from a Mexican store*

Let's add it up: 400+30+150+35+100+50 = $765 usd to get around the level of the PS3 (which has Card reader, 60 Gb, Rechargable batteries, WiFi, and they don't charge you to play online, or change your name... (u can't disagree with me in that, it's PATHETIC!!)

[sopgent7]

I own a PS3, and have 3 games, all of them are something new i must say (Resistance, Full Auto 2, Tony Hawk P8), which can't be said of a 360 (a friend brought his yesterday and the only really inovating game is Gears of War), besides, many of the 360 games are available for regular Xbox and even PS2 (thats how special they are :p ).

I'm happy with my choice, and i'd do it again.

Bout the price?

Xbox 360 - $400 usd
Card Reader - $30 usd
60 Gb HDD (woot, there isn't one!) - would be about $150 usd (20 Gb is $100 usd)
Rechargable batteries - $35 usd
Wireless Network Adapter (a must have!) - $100 usd
Gold Membership - $50 usd (Mexican price, can't fin in BestBuy)

*Prices taken from BestBuy.com, except the membership, which i was unable to find, that price was taken from a Mexican store*

Let's add it up: 400+30+150+35+100+50 = $765 usd to get around the level of the PS3 (which has Card reader, 60 Gb, Rechargable batteries, WiFi, and they don't charge you to play online, or change your name... (u can't disagree with me in that, it's PATHETIC!!)

This is why I cant wait for the XBOX 360 Elite..hmmm 60GB....Lets own the PS3 and double it to 120GB :P PPL dont need Wifi-Well they're thinking about putting WiFi intergration with the Elite, Why would you need a Card Reader for? And I paid 25$ for rechargable batteries (Plug and Play Kit) in Best Buy..

[pelaez-1]

Yea, well, we still have to wait for the "elite" xbox (i had never heard of it, but it seems like a way to "try" to fix up all the mistakes Microsoft did by launching the 360 so early (But they can't add Blu-Ray :p )) to come out.


Now lets analyze the elite version:

"Completamente negra será el nuevo modelo de XBox, la Elite, con un precio de $479, tendrá con un disco duro de 120GB y puerto HDMI. No tiene por ahora Wi-Fi, ni lector HD-DVD y no se sabe si alguna versión la tendrá. Así que fanáticos… a ahorrar."

That means a price of $479, 120 HDD and HDMI port, no WiFi or HD DVD reader...

So they are selling you a 120 Gb HDD instead of 20 for $80usd... Thats a stupid way to "try" to win the battle, besides, 120Gb in a 360 are not as usefull as in a PS3, cuz in the ps3 u can install another OS (i will install Linux as soon as i download it) and in the 360 you can only store Media.

PS3 has HDMI port :D

WiFi is a must i think, keeping on mind that many persons have Wireless Networks in their homes, and many devices already can use WiFi (my palm T|X has, and my PSP has too), besides, you can't have your router next to your desktop AND your PS3, so i think WiFi is the solution, and Microsoft doesn't have the pants to put WiFi to the Elite version? (doesn't sound too "1337" anymore huh?)

But well, i think PS3 is not only a better value, but a better console, with more and better stuff.

About "needing" a card reader, if we go to what we "need", we wouldn't have a console, a Handleld, an HDTV, etc. and i think it's cool to have a card in which u can save your ps3 games, and music, and switch it and lisent to music in your TX or in a Mobile phone.

[p3ak]

xbox sold 24 milion from 01 to 06- ps2 has sold over 100 million

Looking at the upcoming line up of games, the ps3 will outsell the 360 in 08 and 09 with hitters that have not even been mentioned but taunted Like TWISTED METAL for ps3.... and GOD OF WAR, and for a company that charges for THEMES on there Xbox live, has a 33% failure rate have only Gears of war 2 up there sleeve, it is ridicule to think that they will win this console war ... and were not mentioning the fact that HOME will come out and we have to conclude the ovious , that theres over 100 million loyal Sony users , i think more than half are FINAL FANTASY fans and trust me FF13 "new franchise" is exclusive for the ps3 , FF series never sold even slightly good on the Xb0x platform...

and i have make notice " what are all those HDMI equiped 360's going to play ? HD-DVD Failed ... it even has a standard DVD's opt for games u will never see a game in 1080 hdmi " it just does not fit " ... and they still lie to their children's fan base by saying WE HAVE GOOD COMPRESSION yada, yada ... microsoft will regret giving sony bad PR to succeed int his console war..

"Uh Oh 360 Hide Your BabiEz ! Its coming ! :) :D

[daver]

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Looking at the upcoming line up of games, the ps3 will outsell the 360 in 08 and 09 with hitters that have not even been mentioned but taunted Like TWISTED METAL for ps3.... and GOD OF WAR, and for a company that charges for THEMES on there Xbox live, has a 33% failure rate have only Gears of war 2 up there sleeve, it is ridicule to think that they will win this console war ... and were not mentioning the fact that HOME will come out and we have to conclude the ovious , that theres over 100 million loyal Sony users , i think more than half are FINAL FANTASY fans and trust me FF13 "new franchise" is exclusive for the ps3 , FF series never sold even slightly good on the Xb0x platform...
i think the biggest difference between the two consoles is the style of games. that is, the "Exclusively for" titles such as Gears of War (360), God of War (PS3). the Xbox is a BIG hit for players that love linking up with friends and hitting a campaign together, where as the PS3 is amazing for solo gaming (c'mon, don't lie to me about Unchartered!). I've found that games like Gears of War or Halo are great for tackling together with another player in Campaign mode, where as games such as God of War simply cannot be played in multiplayer (c'mon, who wants to see two Kratos' hacking and slashing at himself for 2 hours?).
That also goes for the Final Fantasy series, as an example. Lots and LOTS of kids in Asia these days have the Cloud hairdo, where as in North America we're looking at either people who just woke up or people who have more hats in their collection than they have savings funds. Likewise, the aesthetic style of Japanese games that come out for the Playstation are certainly different than that from companies like from North America: this is a huge factor in the video game industry. I play games that are realistic and more down-to-earth, rather than the extremely wild style of Anime games. So games like Rainbow Six or Gears of War better suit me than would Pokemon or Gundamn Wing (?) (I'm sorry, but I really don't know many Japanese games and these ones first came to mind, but you know what I mean).
Playstation has a much larger user base simply because people around the world have the "Japanese is better" mindset, which is as debate on its own. I've met people who wouldn't sit in my car (a second-hand 2001 Ford Focus) because it's not imported: utterly stupid, but what can you do about those people?

personally, i'm a social gamer, so i love playing games with friends (and being able to throw my controller at them when i lose :D ). so if you aren't too hardcore about games and just want to have a good time, you'd likely pick up the 360 because it's much cheaper and more widely available in North America (this is at least true in Canada).

xbox sold 24 milion from 01 to 06- ps2 has sold over 100 million

as for how much money the companies made, those numbers don't really mean anything until you've factored in many other conditions, such as production cost, advertising, etc. Also consider that the two different continents require completely different taxes and import/export laws, which has another affect on the consoles. In the end though, even when the Xbox 360 came out (in 2005) it was about $500 CAD (for the Premium model - now it's $400). The core/basic PS3 package is still $750 where I live, now it's only $600. So the profit margin is probably much higher for the Playstation, and again the money made is not comparable because of this.
Not to mention, North American products rarely sell well in Asia: and we all know that Asia;s totally nuts for Nintendo/Playstation. So be sure to remove Asia's numbers from the comparisson to get a more level comparisson.

and i have make notice " what are all those HDMI equiped 360's going to play ? HD-DVD Failed ... it even has a standard DVD's opt for games u will never see a game in 1080 hdmi " it just does not fit " ... and they still lie to their children's fan base by saying WE HAVE GOOD COMPRESSION yada, yada ... microsoft will regret giving sony bad PR to succeed int his console war..
and lastly, i couldn't tell you much about Hi-Def because I know squat about it. but, i think the whole HD-DVD vs Blu-Ray thing is again one of those personal choices (when both were still around). perhaps Xbox went with the HD-DVD option because it was cheaper to produce and market?

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[LupeValenz]

Sony is finally giving me what I want, a sweet lil 80GB PS3 bundled with MGS4, I'm happy to wait no more when I get that ^_^.

[DAvenger]

I like X box 360 bc the majority of my friends and I play on Xbox Live. I like being able to play with my friends and as far as PS3 goes only one of my friends has that and that is not enough for me. GO X box 360 elite!

[ianholt60]

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[brillo1]

The debate rages on!!!!

I did find a place that lets you swap out unwanted consoles for free http://www.supaswap.info/

It looks pretty good to me

Hope this is useful