1SRC Podcast TwentyThree

[Jeff Kirvin]

PalmOne officially announced the Mobile Manager line

PalmOne is an innovator, but nobody realizes it

Pocket PC Thoughts rags on the Mobile Manager, but they've got it completely backwards

Again, Cobalt isn't better than Garnet, just different. The LifeDrive isn't "inferior" for using Garnet.

Why PalmOne isn't likely to patch the "find bug" or the NVFS implementation on the T5

Palm OS Garnet is already better than what Pocket PC users are waiting for in Windows Mobile 5.0. So who's actually playing "catch up"? We already have persistent storage, PowerPoint, photos in contact records, etc.

A refresher on how NVFS actually works under the hood (and why Windows Mobile is playing catch up)

Why are so many people paranoid about the durability of the LifeDrive hard disk? This is the Zen of Palm: It's taken until now for PalmOne to make a device with a hard drive because it's taken this long for hard drives to be ready for mobile devices. If you don't believe me, ask an iPod owner.

Contrary to popular belief, Garnet does multitask.

An answer to Jack Swinden's list of things a mobile device must have. Yes, Jack, the LifeDrive can do what you want. So can the T5.

The LifeDrive should sell very well, and it's a good size. [details (http://www.1src.com/?m=show&id=1039)]

[Alan G]

Ok. I haven't even downloaded this one yet, and just by the topics alone I know this one is going to be good! I'll be listening to this again on my way into work tomorrow morning. And probably again on my way home.

Alan G

[Reggie]

Great podcast Jeff!

Just to add, WM5's new 'full-off' feature is copied from the UX50's shutdown feature.

[Alan G]

Reggie,

You're closer to Jeff than I am...make sure that he doesn't have any more sugar tonight!! =P

Alan G

[Jeff Kirvin]

Wow. Does Microsoft innovate at anything?

[Jeff Kirvin]

Alan,

After I posted the 'cast, I went out for a burrito (posting this from Chipotle, actually), and in the immortal words of John Astin, "I'm feeling MUCH better now...."

[Alan G]

That's good. I'm listening to the podcast now, and I can feel the words hitting me all the way from Chipotle.

Alan G

[jjesusfreak01]

Alan,

After I posted the 'cast, I went out for a burrito (posting this from Chipotle, actually), and in the immortal words of John Astin, "I'm feeling MUCH better now...."
Dont say that!! I have to eat Moes every monday because the school doesnt like Chipotle. They have the best burritos.

[JAmerican]

Wow!!! Your very hyper in this one... and I love it. :) So funny. Adding pictures to Addressbook lol. Powerpoints.

JAmerican

[jjesusfreak01]

Wow!!! Your very hyper in this one... and I love it. :) So funny. Adding pictures to Addressbook lol. Powerpoints.

JAmerican
Yup, this just confirms my theory that PDA addicts do not sleep.

Responding to next post: A little birdie tells him. Probably a programmer for PalmOne or something.

[JAmerican]

BTW? Where do you get all this info from?? I'd like to know :)

What do you think about Streaming video on Palm in the future?

Also, my UX50 (which now doesn't have working WiFi) cannot use Bluetooth and WiFi at the same time. Are you sure about this?

JAmerican

[Jeff Kirvin]

BTW? Where do you get all this info from?? I'd like to know :)
Most of it comes right from public sources, hence all the hyperlinks in the shownotes. The difference between me and other pundits is that I probably spend 6-8 hours a day, every day, reading about this stuff. My poor brain...
What do you think about Streaming video on Palm in the future?
Why do you think the LifeDrive has WiFi?
Also, my UX50 (which now doesn't have working WiFi) cannot use Bluetooth and WiFi at the same time. Are you sure about this?
I'm not 100% sure, but I'm pretty confident. It's just a hunch, but given the way PalmOne handles Garnet's networking, I can't see any technical reason why this wouldn't work.

[Jeff Kirvin]

Dont say that!! I have to eat Moes every monday because the school doesnt like Chipotle. They have the best burritos.
The school doesn't like Chipotle? Que?

[JAmerican]

Most of it comes right from public sources, hence all the hyperlinks in the shownotes. The difference between me and other pundits is that I probably spend 6-8 hours a day, every day, reading about this stuff. My poor brain...

Why do you think the LifeDrive has WiFi?

I'm not 100% sure, but I'm pretty confident. It's just a hunch, but given the way PalmOne handles Garnet's networking, I can't see any technical reason why this wouldn't work.

I see streaming through WiFi as an audio only thing. What apps support streaming video for Palm?

I don't think that Bluetooth and WiFi will run together because they are considered Network connections. In Palm OS 5, you can only use one network connection at a time. IR is not considered a network connection, so you can use it while using Bluetooth. Any TH55/E users out there to back me up ;)

JAmerican

[jjesusfreak01]

The school doesn't like Chipotle? Que?
<language switch>
Parce qu'ils aiment l'argent. Chipotle est plus cher.
<secondary switch>
Porque tienen gusto del dinero. Chipotle es mas costoso.
</language switch>

[Jeff Kirvin]

I see streaming through WiFi as an audio only thing. What apps support streaming video for Palm?
Doesn't Core Player do this? If not, why not? When will it?
I don't think that Bluetooth and WiFi will run together because they are considered Network connections. In Palm OS 5, you can only use one network connection at a time. IR is not considered a network connection, so you can use it while using Bluetooth. Any TH55/E users out there to back me up ;)
Wrong. There's a difference between a connection and a network. You can only be connected to one network at a time, but as far as Garnet is concerned, IR, cable/cradle, Bluetooth and WiFi are all connection types. You can mix and match these at will as long as they don't step on each other.

For example, you should have no trouble using a BT keyboard and a WiFi network connection. This is no different than using an IR keyboard and a BT network connection, something I do all the time. However, you could NOT establish a BT network connection through your phone while you're connected to a WiFi Hotspot. See the difference?

[Jeff Kirvin]

<language switch>
Parce qu'ils aiment l'argent. Chipotle est plus cher.
<secondary switch>
Porque tienen gusto del dinero. Chipotle es mas costoso.
</language switch>
Ah. Matter of priorities, I suppose. For me, Chipotle is in a protected part of my budget. I'll sacrifice a lot before I give up my burritos.

[JAmerican]

<language switch>
Parce qu'ils aiment l'argent. Chipotle est plus cher.
<secondary switch>
Porque tienen gusto del dinero. Chipotle es mas costoso.
</language switch>

Caveat Emptor. <--respecens PPC et Palm OS>

Palm OS et Pocket PC sunt bonum et malum in sui formo. :)

JAmerican

[Cyker]

I don't think that Bluetooth and WiFi will run together because they are considered Network connections. In Palm OS 5, you can only use one network connection at a time. IR is not considered a network connection, so you can use it while using Bluetooth. Any TH55/E users out there to back me up ;)

JAmerican

Alas, BT is in the Serial class, not networking (Although obviously you can run a network over it.)

I don't know why you can't run BT & WiFi at the same time on TH/UX, although I think it may be because the receivers on PDAs are too weak, and since BT & WiFi are in the same frequency area, maybe they interfere too much at low power?

[ballistic]

Wrong. There's a difference between a connection and a network. You can only be connected to one network at a time, but as far as Garnet is concerned, IR, cable/cradle, Bluetooth and WiFi are all connection types. You can mix and match these at will as long as they don't step on each other.

For example, you should have no trouble using a BT keyboard and a WiFi network connection. This is no different than using an IR keyboard and a BT network connection, something I do all the time. However, you could NOT establish a BT network connection through your phone while you're connected to a WiFi Hotspot. See the difference?Jeff,

Sorry, but you're wrong on this one. I challenge you to find anyone with a Palm OS5 device who can establish simultaneous Bluetooth and Wifi connections (using both radios at the same time). This as well as the inability to establish multiple Bluetooth connections (say a BT phone and BT keyboard at the same time) are limitations of Garnet.

Brian

[jjesusfreak01]

Caveat Emptor. <--respecens PPC et Palm OS>

Palm OS et Pocket PC sunt bonum et malum in sui formo. :)

JAmerican
I can read that, but I dont remember enough of my Latin to respond. I agree to an extent. Did ya hear that activesync 4.9 removes network syncing completely?

[STBXXL]

Doesn't Core Player do this? If not, why not? When will it?

Wrong. There's a difference between a connection and a network. You can only be connected to one network at a time, but as far as Garnet is concerned, IR, cable/cradle, Bluetooth and WiFi are all connection types. You can mix and match these at will as long as they don't step on each other.

For example, you should have no trouble using a BT keyboard and a WiFi network connection. This is no different than using an IR keyboard and a BT network connection, something I do all the time. However, you could NOT establish a BT network connection through your phone while you're connected to a WiFi Hotspot. See the difference?

Hi Jeff,
I think you're wrong here. I have the T5 with the palmOne WiFi card I and make sure that BT is turned off every time I use it. On page 8 in the WiFi Card User Guide it reads: "Important: If your handheld has Bluetooth wireless technology installed, you must turn it off to use the WiFi card."

Now, this may be a T5 specific problem but I don't think so. I rather think that having both radios (Bluetooth and WiFi that is) active at the same time is the problem.

Just my 2c.

Cheers.

[EdFrmBrighthand]

I see streaming through WiFi as an audio only thing. What apps support streaming video for Palm?
At this point, none. But I'm hopeful someone will write an application to allow it.

[ballistic]

It is possible to stream video over Wifi using TCPMP or MMPlayer along with either InifiniFile (http://www.onverge.com/) or WiFiGenie (http://www.iscomplete.org/Store/WiFiGenie.asp), however from my experience it is very choppy with dropped frames, long pauses, and audio/video sync problems. I'll be very interested to see if the Mobile Manager will be able to stream video

Brian

[GadgetGuru]

I disagree that the T5 doesn't need the update due to its big memory. sure 190 or something MB is plenty but only 64MB is comparable to previous internal memory. The rest are like an internal SD card, which most people has anyway. So if you moving from a T3 or TC, then you will have sacrifice some of your applications by moving them to card... fine, but executing programs from card a little bit slower. And some like hacks, fonts, OS localisation software, etc really need to reside in RAM. So more of them (internal RAM or equivalent) are always better.

And with PalmOne having solved that 512 problem in E2 and Treo 650, they don't really need much resources to port it to T5. And it also goes along way to show that PalmOne cares about its end user even if T5 is not a very big hit (apparently)...

Other than those, I agree with the rest of the Podcast. Great as usual...

[palmsolo]

Boy, you sure were fired up in this podcast. I appreciate your enthusiasm for the Palm platform, but don't necessarily agree with your statements regarding Microsoft's lack of innovation regarding their native applications. Yes, Palm users have been able to create and read native Office documents since the release of DocsToGo 7 (about a year now), however before this time you had to put documents through a desktop converter. Plus, this is a 3rd party application and there still is no Office suite that is part of the Palm OS.

Microsoft has had Word and Excel since the first release of the Pocket PC in 2001. Granted it has limited functionality, but this has satisfied most users and also allows you to read native documents without any conversion. The latest OS, WM 5.0 adds more functionality and PowerPoint support and Palm still has nothing in their OS for Office functionality so I would have to say that Microsoft is ahead of Palm here.

If you want to compare apples to apples then take a look at TextMaker and PlanMaker, 3rd party applications like DocsToGo for Windows Mobile devices. These two applications are as powerful as desktop applications and are designed for the power users who need desktop functionality.

One other area that still really bugs me in Palm devices is the inability to read Adobe files without desktop conversion (unless of course you have Picsel Viewer and a CLIE). My Pocket PC reads Adobe files with ease after installing the free Adobe reader.

I personally still own and sometimes use my Tungsten T3, but am finding Windows Mobile performs better for me for my specific uses. I like to use true multi-tasking (not the limited multi-tasking provided by application developers in Garnet), move files around like I can on my desktop (or tap on a document and have it opened(big pet peeve of mine)), and more that I still can't do with my T3.

I think there are pros and cons of each platform and there will be fans of both for a long time to come. However, you may want to try one of these later Windows Mobile 2003 SE or Windows Mobile 2005 devices to see what they really do have to offer.

[Jeff Kirvin]

Okay, the dangers of flying off the handle...
Sorry, but you're wrong on this one. I challenge you to find anyone with a Palm OS5 device who can establish simultaneous Bluetooth and Wifi connections (using both radios at the same time). This as well as the inability to establish multiple Bluetooth connections (say a BT phone and BT keyboard at the same time) are limitations of Garnet.
I stand corrected. However, I still hold out hope that PalmOne will figure out a way to make this work anyway in the LifeDrive as they've worked around so many of Garnet's limitations.
Now here's the email that caught my attention; it mentions something along this lines: Tech support has forwarded the problem to the engineers; the IS a patch coming for the T5 but cannot confirm the date.
So there WILL be a patch! Yay! I didn't expect it, but PalmOne is coming through anyway!

[Jeff Kirvin]

Yes, Palm users have been able to create and read native Office documents since the release of DocsToGo 7 (about a year now), however before this time you had to put documents through a desktop converter. Plus, this is a 3rd party application and there still is no Office suite that is part of the Palm OS.
Documents To Go 6 actually, 2.5 years ago. And while DTG may not be part of the OS proper, it is bundled with EVERY PalmOne device except the Zire 21. In this sense, is there really any difference between that and PalmOne's other modifications to what PalmSource delivered? PalmOne wrote the code to support multiple addresses per contact, 32k memos and notes, additional Outlook fields, appointments spanning midnight, etc. You don't get those innovations on a non-PalmOne device, and you don't get Documents To Go, either. I think you could make a strong case for Documents To Go being "part" of PalmOne's version of Garnet.
I personally still own and sometimes use my Tungsten T3, but am finding Windows Mobile performs better for me for my specific uses. I like to use true multi-tasking (not the limited multi-tasking provided by application developers in Garnet), move files around like I can on my desktop (or tap on a document and have it opened(big pet peeve of mine)), and more that I still can't do with my T3.
It's a shame you don't have a T5 or LifeDrive, because I tap on documents directly to open them every day. I'm quite aware of what Pocket PCs can do, and I prefer to avoid the memory bloat and sluggish performance that stems from leaving things you don't need running in the background.

[LupeValenz]

Boy, you sure were fired up in this podcast. I appreciate your enthusiasm for the Palm platform, but don't necessarily agree with your statements regarding Microsoft's lack of innovation regarding their native applications. Yes, Palm users have been able to create and read native Office documents since the release of DocsToGo 7 (about a year now), however before this time you had to put documents through a desktop converter. Plus, this is a 3rd party application and there still is no Office suite that is part of the Palm OS.



'ello there ^_^/. I must say that I really don't agree with this too much. I believe PalmOne models do come with DocsToGo already installed on their handhelds, my latest Treo 650 has DocsToGo 7.0. Clie TH55 gave american users DocsToGo 6.0 for free when they registered and I don't know what desktop converter your talking about. I email my documents from my Clie to PC and they are able to open with no conversion neccesary. Sure, its a 3rd party app, but hey, if its already built in or free, I might as well consider it part of the Palm OS. Now if I had to pay for it, than it simply is an enhancement ^_^.

[palmsolo]

Thanks Jeff, I stand corrected on DocsToGo 6 vs. 7 and appreciate that. I actually still prefer to use DocsToGo over the powerful TextMaker and PlanMaker apps because I don't use all those features and find DocsToGo to be more than adequate and seamless to use.

Ahh, I like that feature of tapping a file or document and having it launched. Maybe I should upgrade my T3 to a T5 then, huh? :D Then again, I think I would like the LifeDrive with a 4GB drive where I can then dump my Dell MP3 players and minimize the load I carry around.

I wish PalmSource or palmOne would solve the PDF issue though since those are important to me when I am out working a marine salvage case and get sent PDF documents wirelessly.

I agree that the rumored (well not with the latest magazine ad) LifeDrive is innovative and don't hear any rumors of a Windows Mobile hard drive based device coming out anytime soon. It seems to be well priced and feature packed as well.

I have your podcast feed now setup in iPodder on my new Tablet PC (I sold my PDA2K and Treo 650 to purchase it) and enjoy listening to your enthusiasm. Keep up the good work and chat later.

[tungsten t5]

OK jeff, we know you like palm better, but you MUST remember microsoft has been working on windows mobile 2005 since 2002! WM 5 was going to be released in late 2003 but they had problems so instead they released 2003se. Now if microsoft would have released this back in 03 They would have alot of things in it that palms couldn't do. but because microsoft wanted to "perfect" this it is just announced now. There are many other features in WM 5 like direct 3d. also because I have an x50v and the 2003se os doesn't fully take advantage of the intel 2700g graphics card, Many of us are happy because WM 5 will. I also would like to point out that we could do powerpoints with third party software for 2+ years.

hope you cut back on the sugar for the chat on saturday. also be happy with your Tungsten T5 (but we all know once that lifedrive comes out you find something you don't like about the T5 and by the lifedrive or Tx or life drive whatever! Just like the Zodiac)

anyways now that I have that out of my system see you all on saturday!

-T5

[tungsten t5]

also I would like to say that now there was an update for the x50v there are no longer Bluetooth/Wi-Fi problems.

[Jeff Kirvin]

OK jeff, we know you like palm better, but you MUST remember microsoft has been working on windows mobile 2005 since 2002! WM 5 was going to be released in late 2003 but they had problems so instead they released 2003se. Now if microsoft would have released this back in 03 They would have alot of things in it that palms couldn't do. but because microsoft wanted to "perfect" this it is just announced now.
I'll keep this in mind the next time PPC folks bash Cobalt.

[tungsten t5]

Hey, many folks that own palms own PPC's ok. Now as I switched over to aximsite.com I realized that palm users bash PPC users way more than PPC bashing Palm. both have their advantages and currently I like windows better. one is you can customize the PPC alot without third party software. and that dell is releasing updates frequently unlike palm. But I think the lifedrive will be a good PDA even withou a 624mhz proccessor and a 2700g graphics accelerator.

[Cyker]

Personally, I don't think WM or Palm innovated anywhere near as much as Sony :D *ducks*

Really 'tho, Palm's innovations have mostly been 'under the hood', Sony's have been concentrated more on features and usability and WM's tend to be more tech-driven. WM wasn't as readily customisable as PalmOS until quite a few versions from it's start, which is why, at first, almost all of them where the same whereas we had the little differences between Visors, Palms, Clies etc.

Now 'tho, the PPCs from different OEMs tend to have more diffrentiating 'things', like that task managery thingy you get on some. (Not being a PPC owner I can't elaborate more alas...)

The 'arms race' in terms of memory and CPU power is playing right into the hands of the PPC's 'tho - While PPC is a bloated horrible parody of an OS, it's fat sluggishness will be nearly unnoticable when we start getting 1GHz 1GB RAM PPCs, and the OS will be able to all sorts of stuff. Literally like a Pocket PC. (It'll still suck as a PDA 'tho :p)

Palm on the other hand aren't in a good position to take advantage of such pointlessly large numbers. You don't need 200+MB RAM and a 400MHz CPU on a PDA. A multimedia gaming all-singing all-dancing mini PC, yes, but not on a PDA.

I think Sony got a handle on this, hence their decision to stick with low-speed high-efficiency CPUs and just have DSPs for the only real quasi-PDA task that needs lots of CPU power on a PDA: Multimedia (But not Games - For that they'd want you to get their PSP for ;))

As cool as being able to do real-time 3D rendering and raytracing, and even silly things like running CFD simulations, on a PPC are, such tasks are better suited to mini-PC's than PDAs.
When you loose sight of the whole point behind a PDA, it gets too complex to be any use.

One thing PDA makers seem to have forgotten is that PDA's will always be a niche market - Only a relatively small number of people (i.e. business people) use organisers in the first place, and only percentage of them use PDAs (Many still prefer paper; It's more reliable for starters :P). The only other substantial group that buys into PDAs are people like us - Techies, geeks, gadgeteers and hackers, but Palm have never catered to us directly.

Palm's tactic for mobile phones will earn them money - Mobiles are a cash-cow business these days, and at the end of the day, Palm are a business.
I can only hope that we'll see more customer-oriented PDA OEMs appear, but brutal reality doesn't look too forthcoming...

[quasar]

You keep refering to iPod owners for complaints about the hard drive. Well, as a former iPod owner, I can say that I don't trust the drives, either. IU dropped my iPod, and whenever I reached certain tracks thereafter, it would skip or refuse to play at all. I would prefer to see companies pack more flash memory in instead of HDs, because it uses less power, is more urable, and can hold more (There are 4GB SD cards Using these instead of internal HDs would be like stacking those two to three long, two wide, and two to three high. That's a lot of capacity)

Oh yeah, please watch your language. Thanks.

-Brian

[Cyker]

To be fair, if you drop most PDAs the electronics will me just as likely to break as the HD so TBH a mini-HD is not that much of a concern.

My main concern with it is wear, size and access speed. Transfer speed, for stuff like music and movies, won't be a problem - A HD can match flashRAM for transfer speed because the bus is the bottleneck.

However, HD's have a MUCH larger access time than any kind of RAM, milliseconds vs nanoseconds, which could be an issue. Performing a reordering operation on the 3MB database on my TH55 would be interesting to watch...

The next thing is wear - DRAM lasts practically forever (Well, unless you set it on fire or crash a truck into it or something.).
Hard disks OTOH are notoriously unreliable; I reckon this one will conk out within a couple of years. Now, for the apparent target market, this won't be a problem (They'll already have bought the next best thing), but this is no good at all for a serious PDA user.
The problem here is that, for the target market, there are much better multimedia devices out there for audio&video playback which, frankly, is really the LifeDrive's only outstanding feature. Since it isn't going to be a great PDA (A T|3 or T625 would do just as good a job), that leaves it in a niche of a niche, the same way the Zodiac kinda was...

Size, and this is a biggie if we assume Palm's target market is the multimedia crowd.
4GBs is *nothing* for a device who's primary hook is it's MP3 and video-playback abilities. They should have aimed for *40*.
Hell, my TH55 (If we had hacked drivers) could have 8GBs of storage off VFS in the not-too-distant future!

[Jeff Kirvin]

However, HD's have a MUCH larger access time than any kind of RAM, milliseconds vs nanoseconds, which could be an issue. Performing a reordering operation on the 3MB database on my TH55 would be interesting to watch...
Again, look at how NVFS actually works. That reorder would take place in volatile RAM, at nanosecond access speeds, and then the reordered database would be copied back to the hard drive.
4GBs is *nothing* for a device who's primary hook is it's MP3 and video-playback abilities. They should have aimed for *40*.
Hell, my TH55 (If we had hacked drivers) could have 8GBs of storage off VFS in the not-too-distant future!
I still contend that the idea is to keep only your favorites local and stream everything else.

[LupeValenz]

Have fun with your wifi hotsyncing....doh, I forgot, Palm does that, not PPC >_<.
Heheh, Just kidding. :p When I read bout that, it made me SERIOUSLY think bout not going to the dark side after all. I hate havin to cradle to sync info, I want to sync anywhere in the house.

[JAmerican]

Have fun with your wifi hotsyncing....doh, I forgot, Palm does that, not PPC >_<.
Heheh, Just kidding. :p When I read bout that, it made me SERIOUSLY think bout not going to the dark side after all. I hate havin to cradle to sync info, I want to sync anywhere in the house.

Wow. Looks like Jeff is right about one thing. Windows Mobile is behind in simple things the user can do - like you said WiFi hotsyncing. They spent their money and time raising the MHz and simulating a Windows PC in your hand. I find it wierd that PPCs didn't support hard drives till Windows Mobile 5.0. That's sad. Overall, I agree with Cyker in that Sony has the best handhelds - no questions asked. There inner and outer components are great. DSPs, device look and feel, multimedia in general.

No wonder their slogan is 'Like No Other."

I just wished they stayed with Palm OS. If they do go to Symbian or Windows Mobile 5.0, they will make those devices work.

JAmerican

[tungsten t5]

Have fun with your wifi hotsyncing....doh, I forgot, Palm does that, not PPC >_<.
Heheh, Just kidding. :p When I read bout that, it made me SERIOUSLY think bout not going to the dark side after all. I hate havin to cradle to sync info, I want to sync anywhere in the house.

you can still hotsync with bluetooth. Also the x50v has a cradle not cables like all the new Palms have.

[GadgetGuru]

Hey, many folks that own palms own PPC's ok. Now as I switched over to aximsite.com I realized that palm users bash PPC users way more than PPC bashing Palm.

I disagree. Look at PPCThoughts and their forum...mention anything good about Palm there and you get clobbered and without reason too... Many of the trolls at PPCThoughts are hard-core WM fans and will not acknowledge any of Palm's good points. Maybe Aximsite is friendlier.

I agree both Platform has their good points (I own an ipaq 2210 in addition to my NX80), but somehow I am still a Palm person. Activesync stinks, hopefully their newer 4.0 and WM2003/5 has improved since then, but I see no major improvement over my 2210 to upgrade.

[LupeValenz]

you can still hotsync with bluetooth. Also the x50v has a cradle not cables like all the new Palms have.

Hmmm what I mean is with the new ActiveSync 4.0 for WM 5.0 is that there won't be any wireless sync unless you sync with Exchange.

[palmhiker]

Good podcast, Jeff, and I agree with most of what you are saying - With the exception of letting palmone off the hook for the find bug on the T5. This is a fairly serious bug, in my opinion.

I store many pages of notes in my T-C, and have always found the built-in find lacking, so I purchased FindHack. On many of my daily searches, I must sometimes go through several screens worth of hits to find the exact thing I am looking for, so in my case, lacking support for FindHack (I am not sure if it is supported on the T-5?) that bug would render the device nearly unusable for me.

On a separate topic - does anyone know of an app. for Palm that provides the ability to stream ShoutCast feeds, other than the overpriced Pocket Tunes Deluxe? I use a free app. on my Toshiba e750 (winIPAQ) that works very well.

[Bionic Antboy]

On a separate topic - does anyone know of an app. for Palm that provides the ability to stream ShoutCast feeds, other than the overpriced Pocket Tunes Deluxe?

I know mmplayer allows for streaming media over http: connections. I imagine it should be compatible with ShoutCast feeds. It's $14.95.

[Palmloyal.com]

Good Cast, Jeff.

I am a regular listener. I enjoy it with or without sugar. I think you add a little cream this time. Good points. Here is my take on the LifeDrive, I think we echo a few point for sure: http://www.palmloyal.com/new/content/view/300/31/

Carl Brooks
http://www.palmloyal.com

[dm9876]

I have not used a T5 so dont know if what I am talking about is a non-issue, however I am surprised that you tout the new architecture as a good thing. Ie like a PC where programs / data in in mass storage ie Flash(like HDD in PC) and is copied to RAM (dyn heap / db store) to be executed and then back again when finished.

This is why Palms were always faster to start a program than PPC (not sure have not used a PPC in years). They dont have to copy an application anywhere before it executes. It just executes in place.

Thoughts???

Dean

[dm9876]

also does the OS handle the case where a database is >10MB or do applications have to be coded to handle this. Has this been an issue for any software in the T3 -> T5 transition?

Ta