Not enough Memory...

[blueprints]

Does anyone know of any program to use the MemoryStick as RAM. Im running out of e 11MB set aside for installation of programes. Im really hving a hard time deciding which programes i hv to scracifice for new programes to be installed in my NZ. Pls post ure replies here. Thanx.

[dks99]

There are two options for you (both seem to work pretty good with MOST apps)

1) use something like PowerRun to move heavier/bigger apps to MS

the only major limitation are:
- you can't move apps that have alarms set to do something at a given time (for example Agendus, or auto download of email at given intervals)

- you also can't move apps that are required to run for other apps

for example the Javacompiler has to stay in RAM
or in order to automatically open attachments in
for example SnapperMail you need to have QuickSheets/QuickWord in RAM and not on MS.

2) the second option is to move some stuff to FlashROM using
JackFlash (its still in beta but works pretty good)

Move here apps that you can't move to MS,

The only "limitation" right now is that JackFlash is in Beta
and now you are "screwing around" with the part of memory that also holds your build in apps and the OS. Something goes haywire here and you migth loose the entire clie... although I think that this scenario is pretty far fetched :)



Here is an example of my current setup:

moved to FLASH using JackFlash:
- Agendus
- SnapperMail (running modified by CodeDiver to show at HiRez)
- QuickSheets
- QuickWord
- AcidImage
- WorldMate
- ZLauncher

moved to MS using PowerRun
- pretty much everything else that is big
- NetFront3
- PalmVNC
- whole stack of games (billiards, bejeweled, traffic etc)
- Star Pilot (the Location Library has to stay in RAM)
- PicselView
and so on...

This leaves me currently 6.2 Megs of RAM avail on my clie
and about 15Megs on the MS stick (128Mb stick with a bunch of movies/mp3s and apps)

I hope this helps :)

later
dks

[the_iceman]

I agree with DKS. I haven't seen the beta of JackFlash as of yet .... is it on their web-site?

*always in the dark*

[blueprints]

Hey dks99,

Thanx for ure prompt reply. U've got an icq no?

[the_iceman]

I guess.... there is a 'beta' for those who have already registered..... I'm not an existing user of JackSprat/Flash as of yet...... I reckon.... I'll be-a-waiting until such time as it comes out in full release for me to check it out. I did try the demo.... however it says it isn't tested for my OS (OS5) and it exits the program immediately afterwards.

It does seem, however that those who have the beta seems to think it works well

[hausponce]

I like using Zlauncher(2.4) on my NZ90. By using my old Hotsync name from my old NR70 I was able to reinstall all my favorite Apps.(from the original downloads on my PC) and reenter their original unlock codes. After all that, I just moved all my big Apps. to MS using Zlauncher.

[blueprints]

Thanx for e help guys. Is so much easier now.. Thanx. Erm anyone one willing to share his/her Acid Image 2.5 Registered key.

[the_iceman]

zLauncher is nice, I'll give it that. However there is an issue with zLauncher that some may not be aware of. zLauncher seems to 'move the program(s) to the MS from RAM, however when executing the program(s) they are first copied back down into your PDAs internal ram.

This may not be such a big issue to some... but for larger programs like Picsel viewer ..... it can slow it down a bit while zLauncher has to first copy it down into internal RAM.

I'd prefer a different 3rd Party program which can actually execute the program from the MS, rather than having to first copy it down into internal RAM.

This is one of the advantages of JackFlash (from different posts and the company's website). JackFlash allows you to place certain programs into space left over in the FLASH area of the ROM. This allows the programs to remain (in the event of a HARD Reset) on a bad crash.

JackSprat gives the ability to backup the ROM area of your Palm either via HotSync to your PC, or with MS-BACKUP to your MS. Nice in the event of a bad crash.... or you wish to place the ROM back in a state you previously had.

[dks99]

blueprints,

Sorry I don't use ICQ (to many interruptions :)

The_Iceman,

are you aware of any application that can run apps directly from MS ? Even PowerRun has to copy things back to RAM before running them. (and yes, i forgot to mention that)


later
dks

[oneeyesquare]

Send me $20 and I'll send you my key....Or you could buy it yourself....

[the_iceman]

Originally posted by dks99
The_Iceman,

are you aware of any application that can run apps directly from MS ? Even PowerRun has to copy things back to RAM before running them. (and yes, i forgot to mention that)


later
dks

Not really aware of any out there. From what I've seen.... PowerRun seems to do a better job of it than zLauncher. I can't say that with 100% certainty, but PowerRun, I think, does a better job of it. I believe there are files which don't work moving them with zLauncher to MS ... which will work with PowerRun.

I'm not trying at all to give zLauncher a bad rep her. I do think it is a good program/addon. I don't know that I will run zlauncher or not due to the enormous size it has. I've even taken 1 or 2 soft-resets because of it. I actually really like YiShow. Although I haven't seen any complaints about YiShow here in the NZ Forum..... it seems like it likes to soft-reset on me often (just trying several replacement apps out).

I do think some of the best things to do with large apps which you know you want to run .... is to move them into the FLASH area where there is extra space, and not have to worry about 'copying' from MS to RAM.

To me.... anything which is >1mb and an app... would better be served if it was running either in Internal memory or in Flash. lotta CPU/IO cycles burnin moving large apps back and forth to/from the MS to Internal Memory.

[dorianne]

Originally posted by dks99
There are two options for you (both seem to work pretty good with MOST apps)

1) use something like PowerRun to move heavier/bigger apps to MS

the only major limitation are:
- you can't move apps that have alarms set to do something at a given time (for example Agendus, or auto download of email at given intervals)

- you also can't move apps that are required to run for other apps

for example the Javacompiler has to stay in RAM
or in order to automatically open attachments in
for example SnapperMail you need to have QuickSheets/QuickWord in RAM and not on MS.

2) the second option is to move some stuff to FlashROM using
JackFlash (its still in beta but works pretty good)

Move here apps that you can't move to MS,

The only "limitation" right now is that JackFlash is in Beta
and now you are "screwing around" with the part of memory that also holds your build in apps and the OS. Something goes haywire here and you migth loose the entire clie... although I think that this scenario is pretty far fetched :)



Here is an example of my current setup:

moved to FLASH using JackFlash:
- Agendus
- SnapperMail (running modified by CodeDiver to show at HiRez)
- QuickSheets
- QuickWord
- AcidImage
- WorldMate
- ZLauncher

moved to MS using PowerRun
- pretty much everything else that is big
- NetFront3
- PalmVNC
- whole stack of games (billiards, bejeweled, traffic etc)
- Star Pilot (the Location Library has to stay in RAM)
- PicselView
and so on...

This leaves me currently 6.2 Megs of RAM avail on my clie
and about 15Megs on the MS stick (128Mb stick with a bunch of movies/mp3s and apps)

I hope this helps :)

later
dks Ok, I have some questions for you. Why do you have to use PowerRun to move programs to MS, when you can use the CLIE Files in Utilities to move the files? Does it do something special that CLIE Files doesn't do? I have 12 Skyscape (medical) programs in my Handheld plus PEPID RN. They are huge programs. Most of it can be put in the MS, but part of it has to be in the internel memory. That takes up a lot of memory in internal memory. I have never used the flash player. I haven't even tried to mess with it yet. I really don't have anymore room to add any more programs. What does Beta mean. I have tried to use some programs that aren't upgraded for Palm OS 5 yet and have had to do hard resets, so I am almost afraid to use Jack Flash after what you said. Thanks!

[kikouyou]

Too bad you asked this question about AcidImage

We respect and encourage shareware on this forum. If you like Acid Image buy it!

[the_iceman]

Dorianne,

Some Applications, although you can move them to the MS... will not work. Some can cause your Handheld to soft-reset. As mentioned above, there are some applications which cannot be moved to the MS for execution like the Java Compiler and others. You will find, some applications will run 'fine' from the MS, and others will crash like there is no tomorrow.

Programs like PowerRun allow the programs to be moved to the MS, and execute. It uses a little bit of magic mixed with some Pixie Dust combined with a very small leprechaun inside keeping it all together. Actually I don't know the details of how it really works.... other than it does. The more applications you can install on your MS to leave precious internal memory free... the better. It can slow down the PDA a little when first launching a program loaded on the MS because it has to first take that software on the PDA and load it 'temporarily' into the Internal memory and then execute it. Once you exit the application it will remove itself from the internal memory.

Some Applications, if you move them from internal RAM to the MS (like pre-installed software like Picsel Viewer or NetFront) will end up crashing your PDA. You can't just 'move' them normally.

Bottom line ..... .... if you want to free up internal RAM .... PowerRun will allow probably 98+ percent of applications to be put on the MS and run from there. Sure there are some which won't even work with PowerRun .... but there are only a handful that I've come across in reading different sites. Take note though.... in what dks99 wrote. If program A calls Program B ... you cannot put Program B on your MS to run... because it will automatically look in internal RAM for that program when it tries to call it. Your program will probably crash,..... and you may end up having to do a reset (soft).

[dorianne]

Originally posted by kikouyou
Too bad you asked this question about AcidImage

We respect and encourage shareware on this forum. If you like Acid Image buy it! AMEN!!! I was thinking the same thing. Besides, most keys will only work with your HotSync ID, and sometimes a Device ID.

[dorianne]

Originally posted by the_iceman
Dorianne,

Some Applications, although you can move them to the MS... will not work. Some can cause your Handheld to soft-reset. As mentioned above, there are some applications which cannot be moved to the MS for execution like the Java Compiler and others. You will find, some applications will run 'fine' from the MS, and others will crash like there is no tomorrow.

Programs like PowerRun allow the programs to be moved to the MS, and execute. It uses a little bit of magic mixed with some Pixie Dust combined with a very small leprechaun inside keeping it all together. Actually I don't know the details of how it really works.... other than it does. The more applications you can install on your MS to leave precious internal memory free... the better. It can slow down the PDA a little when first launching a program loaded on the MS because it has to first take that software on the PDA and load it 'temporarily' into the Internal memory and then execute it. Once you exit the application it will remove itself from the internal memory.

Some Applications, if you move them from internal RAM to the MS (like pre-installed software like Picsel Viewer or NetFront) will end up crashing your PDA. You can't just 'move' them normally.

Bottom line ..... .... if you want to free up internal RAM .... PowerRun will allow probably 98+ percent of applications to be put on the MS and run from there. Sure there are some which won't even work with PowerRun .... but there are only a handful that I've come across in reading different sites. Take note though.... in what dks99 wrote. If program A calls Program B ... you cannot put Program B on your MS to run... because it will automatically look in internal RAM for that program when it tries to call it. Your program will probably crash,..... and you may end up having to do a reset (soft). Thanks! Can you get it a Palmgear.com?

[the_iceman]

Sure is .... Here is the Link on PalmGear.com:

http://www.palmgear.com/software/showsoftware.cfm?sid=5A03D427-18CE-4850-BEBB10DE18C655B8&prodID=15870

only $15 :)

[dks99]

the_iceman,

Yeah, i tried using the ZLauncher's built in "PowerRUn" and it worked for most apps, but I know for sure that for some it did not (I just dont' remember which ones) thanks to suggestions on this forum I bought PowerRun and have been "happy" ever since.

I even suggested to the guy who wrote the app on how to improve the software.

Did you know that his programming examples are included with the Software Development Kit that Sony is distributing ?

Later
dks

[YTTAN]

Actuall all software can be run from MS except 'Jackflash' which i do not dare to try.

[dgtiii]

Originally posted by YTTAN
Actuall all software can be run from MS except 'Jackflash' which i do not dare to try.

However, you can use Powerrun to move JackFlash to the Mem stick. This works fine, since Powerrun moves the entire application back into RAM upon use.

[oneeyesquare]

I have Jackflash on the stick via Zlauncher. No probs...

[dks99]

oneeyesquare,

I have ZLauncher on flash using JackFlash. No Probs...

(to put a little spin on your respone :) - but its true, I do...


dks

[oneeyesquare]

LOL!!!! It took me a sec. Must be the coffee's not kicked in yet!
I might put Z-launcher in flash after the new native doc viewer/editors hit the market. Picsel is nice, but limited for my needs...

[dimensiondvdrob]

dks99 -

do you have any probs using Agendus in FLASH? I have heard that probs can occur with Agendus in Flash.

Thanks.

[YTTAN]

all those reported problem program can throw inside the jackflash now for me at least. eg wordsmith, acidimage and agendus.

[DanT]

Many apps can be put and run from MS w/o PowerRUN as long as they are in Palm/Launcher directory.

[dks99]

dimensiondvdrob,

so far (knock on wood) I don't have ANY problems with Agendus.
I did however removed AcidImage from flash after it crashed on exit a few times...
They are always working on a new version (I'm on 2.4r i think...)
I will wait till the next full release before trying agian.

dks

[dks99]

I just found this thread:

http://www.cliesource.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=8368&highlight=agendus+AND+Flash

in the NX section that looks at what people say works in Flash and what doesn't.

Apparantly there is a Acid Image 2.4final out that works fine in Flash. I will try it later on today :)
Oh, they again mention that Agendus works...


later
dks

[YTTAN]

Acid Image now is 2.5 Beta 2. Agendus all the while is working in flash...

[dimensiondvdrob]

thanks for the link dks99.

[seven]

I dun have any constructive advices like most did above. Just wanna say I'm another guy enjoying Powerun. Have tried a few apps, like those mentioned before, and Powerun is the one that gimme the most stability.

[blueprints]

Yea, I agree. PowerRun is the one to go!

[YTTAN]

Not even pidirect as they stop develop their software already. Althought in the world of os 4.1, pidirect is better than powerrun.