I'm not buying an SJ22 anymore :(

[Unregistered]

After reading about the graffiti problems in the Clie SJ series, I've decided not to buy an SJ22......the thing is, Clies look like such great PDA's....but I really depend on graffiti a lot. If it's really going to be unreliable then I can't buy it :( It seemed like the perfect PDA for me otherwise....the color screen was so awesome

My Visor Deluxe is serving me well, but the mono screen is so hard to see at times.....but I just want to thank the people who brought up the graffiti inaccuracy with SJ22/SJ30.....I have to wait for what Palm is going to come out with them around the $200 range.

What saddens me most is that what Palm comes out with isn't going to be as half as good as what Sony comes out with! Palm will probably stick with 160x160 stoneage resolution, and they'll lie again about their screens have 16-bit color when it's really 12-bit color....sigh.

Dang it, I just wish there was a solid Palm PDA manufacturer out there....like Handspring, Sony and Palm all aren't really coming out with good PDA's these days....they all seem to have flaws.....

Sony, update the SJ22 with a better grafitti area, and you've got yourself a buyer..

-Chris (known as Hypachris in the Brighthand forums, who loves to annoy Pocket PC owners with his anti-MS rhetoric :)

[fjl307]

Did I miss something???? SJ22 graffiti problems??????

[X Destruction]

I've owned a SJ22 for 12 hours and find it awesome, also it's much superior to my old SL10 :) . I've had absolutely no problems with SL10 or SJ22 graffiti, I don't know what you're talking about.

Oh, and hey, I'm new.

[fjl307]

Originally posted by X Destruction
I've owned a SJ22 for 12 hours and find it awesome, also it's much superior to my old SL10 :) . I've had absolutely no problems with SL10 or SJ22 graffiti, I don't know what you're talking about.

Oh, and hey, I'm new.

 

Have you had any small problems w/ your new CLIE??? I'm considering on getting an SJ22 :)

[X Destruction]

No problem yet, seems it's like a bugs-fixed SJ30, it seems more accurate than the SJ30 somehow.

[lgmccoll]

I had some problems with the SJ30 but after reading some of the threads here it was noted the graffiti area was smaller than the palms that I were use to. Also noted was to keep all of the stroke in the graffiti area. I started writing smaller and am now getting the same accuracy as I did with other PDA's... maybe this will help.

[PaulNB]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Unregistered
[B]After reading about the graffiti problems in the Clie SJ series,

I've had an SJ33 for almost three weeks & the Grafitti works just fine. I wouldn't be surprised if there are other people that aren't having problems who haven't bothered to comment either. It's a well established fact that people are quicker to complain about problems than people reporting not having any. BTW I've owned 5 other Palm OS devices before this one so I've been using Grafitti for quite a while. (I actually even used it pre-Palm on an old Casio Zoomer)

[Talula]

I find my SJ20's graffiti is more accurate than my T665c's!

[hunyak]

My sj22 is 24 hours old. It's my first PDA and so far I'm doing alright with the grafitti. The only things I haven't memorised yet are apostrophes and exclamation points.

[Jeffry]

One tip: you can stroke from the graffiti area to the center of the screen using your stylus, which pops up graffiti characters in case you need help.

:)

[sixty-four]

Why not try one out for yourself before passing judgement? Or is this not feasible?

PDA reviews and user feedback are valuable only up to a certain point when trying to choose a PDA. You can learn a lot more about whether or not a certain PDA is right for you by actually holding and using a demo unit.

[orol]

there is a big thread conserning the graffity issue http://www.cliesource.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=7365
anyway sj22/sj30 is a great low-end pda .. i just prefer my sj30 to sj22 because of the black frame around the screen on sj22 .. the silver one on sj30 looks way better (to me :o)

[PaulNB]

Originally posted by Jeffry
One tip: you can stroke from the graffiti area to the center of the screen using your stylus, which pops up graffiti characters in case you need help.

:)

That can do various things depending on how you have it set up. Perhaps that is the default, I forget as I set it to turn off & lock on mine. You can also do upward slash right(/) then the letter G to pop up Grafitti help. And for those new to Grafitti you can click on the Grafitti icon which has the added bonus of echoing your stroke on screen during practice so you can see if the digitizer is working well or not.

[PaulNB]

Originally posted by sixty-four
Why not try one out for yourself before passing judgement? Or is this not feasible?

PDA reviews and user feedback are valuable only up to a certain point when trying to choose a PDA. You can learn a lot more about whether or not a certain PDA is right for you by actually holding and using a demo unit.

If possible though get to one sooner than later. Some demo units face a lot of in store abuse from people & they can be in pretty rough shape by the time you get to try them.

[Gero]

There are problems with the SJ 30?..... and with Graffiti?.. really?.. I've had an SJ 30 and its been completely fine... Havent had a sinfle 'fatal error' and must have installed/removed a couple of thousand applications yet,... Think I have 200 hundred odd on my memory stick and I do what feels like 25 words per minute on graffitti (without looking at the screen as i write).. Graffitti is perfect with me..

[psychoactivist]

I have an SJ33, and I've experienced very few problems w/ the graffiti. I did have to adjust a little bit, but it took all of 2 min. of practicing, and I've had no trouble since.

[fjl307]

The worst thing about grafitti is it really f__ks up your handwriting especially on a big test or a major school assignment :mad:

[hypachris]

Hi, I'm the original poster of this thread....I created a user name just to reply!

Anyway, when I said the SJ22 has a graffiti problem, I was referring to the message on THIS message board:

Subject line: Bad graffiti of SJ33
Message: Has anyone encountered problems with the graffiti on the SJ33? Mine seems to make many errors. I've been using a palm for years and have never encountered so many bad entries. About 50% of the time when I enter an E, I get ans S or nothing at all. Is anyone else having similar problems?

And then a couple of others claim that the SJ22 and SJ30 has the same problem too, and that it's a "clie problem" because of the way Sony designed their grafitti area.

Now, yes, I know that on the internet, many many people tend to post only negative things (thus they complain about clies online rather than compliment them) .....but this really sounds like a problem similar to Palms m500/m505 SUD problem, especially if many people on this board are claiming that they can't do graffiti properly on a Clie, versus a Palm branded device...

So I reiterate, does the SJ22 have graffiti accuracy problems? If it really doesn't, then heck I'm buying one right now.....naturally I'm going to try one out first in person to see how the graffiti is...

-Chris

[UZI4U182]

It most likely does not have graffiti problems. My SJ30 doesn't have a single thing wrong with it, and the SJ33 I reviewed didn't have any graffiti problems as well.

[X Destruction]

Want to see the real s-e problem? Check this anim out! It's when people don't fully finish their E's. Any other problems, just come to me and I'll try it out and anim it!

Here's the anim (http://kasyeng.virtualave.net/graffiti.gif)

[PDA gadgetfreak]

Originally posted by X Destruction
Want to see the real s-e problem? Check this anim out! It's when people don't fully finish their E's. Any other problems, just come to me and I'll try it out and anim it!

Here's the anim (http://kasyeng.virtualave.net/graffiti.gif)

A picture is worth a thousand words .....Always a logical solution if you just look hard enough...thanks X Destruction:D

[sixty-four]

I was concerned too because the SJ33 was at the top of my list. I went down to a local store and ran the SJ33's Grafitti recognition through the wringer. I didn't see any unusual recognition problems whatsoever.

Go try one out for yourself. That's the best advice I can offer.

[PaulNB]

So I reiterate, does the SJ22 have graffiti accuracy problems? If it really doesn't, then heck I'm buying one right now.....naturally I'm going to try one out first in person to see how the graffiti is...

-Chris [/B][/QUOTE]

All I can say is that I've personally owned 2 Clie's (760 & now a SJ33) & I find them no worse than the Palm brand devices that I've owned. (Palm Pilot1000, Palm Pilot Personal, IIIe, IIIc) I think you should seek out a demo model of SJ22 since you have concerns. I read the Usenet groups for Palm devices regularly & I haven't noticed a large # of complaints about the SJ series, certainly nowhere near the amount of complaints regarding SUDS on the m50X series. Doing a search on Googlegroups doesn't show many complaints with Clie Grafitti either.

[tschultz]

I just bought a SJ22 on two days ago and love it. I used to have a palm m105.

As for the graffiti problem(?) I found no problems, jut after a day or so I loaded JOT which I like much better for handwriting recognition. It is working very well.

I would highly recommend this unit to anyone, the screen at that price! It can't be beat, at least not by anything else at this time.

[madmaxmedia]

Obviously some people have problems, some don't. I don't think it's possible to conclusively answer your question. The best thing would be to try one for yourself. I've been using CLIE's for so long I don't remember if my Palm 3x was any better or different with Graffiti.

[cass_m]

I don't think the SJ has grafitti problems, I think that people just have to form their letters more precisely. I had a Visor and used a lot of my normal printing strokes and they worked fine. With the Clie I have to watch how I curve letters. I would go for the Clie.

[gheffo]

no graffiti problems with MY SJ-22! =P

[XeBIKr]

Just to add my own experience. I just got my SJ22 and I don't have any problems at all. I ran through the alphabet a few times and have writen a few memos.

I love my SJ22!

[tschultz]

I have now had my SJ22 for a full week now and love this unit. It would not even be fair to compare it to the Palm m105 I used to use.

I have been switching back and forth between JOT and Grafiti and everything is fine, no real problems at all.

I think the biggest problem some peole have is if you write too small (like I normally do) or if you write your letters at a slant. If you write the letters straight and large enough then there is no problem at all.

I highly recommend this unit. As far as I can tell it seems to be the best bang for the buck if you don't have lost to spend.

[RJGnyc]

Having used an ancient Palm 5000, a superior Palm IIIxe and now a Sony Clie SJ22, I can report there is virtually no difference in the SJ22's ability to detect graffiti, with the possible exception of using the backslash -- you have to get used to a smaller area than the older Palm models.
NOTE: IF NEWPEN IS STILL FREEWARE IT IS A GREAT HELP FOR GRAFFITI USERS. Search Palmgear.com for Newpen.

[purpleGecko]

I've owned my SJ30 for about 4 months now and have had no problems with the Graffiti, except I sometime write to fast and confuse my e's and s's ( as anim'd above!)

The only problem I have had is an app setting the auto-off preference to 0 (do not switch off) and not switching it back. I had to do a reset to get that back :(

James

[T1000X]

I never had any Graffiti problems with my SJ30, or with my current SJ20 (its my backup unit to my NX70V). I don't know where the rumored started it was with all SL and SJ models, but I've only heard about Graffiti problems on the SJ33.